05/17 CUBS (Garza) @ Cincinnati (Volquez) 6:10 CDT, CSN TV

[TruffleShuffle]

also, please provide me a link to an article saying that riggs has his players come in every day of the baseball season for "taking infield, learning how to bunt and hit behind runners, and learning the general fundamentals of the game"

 

http://times-news.com/basketball/x1720293948/Hard-work-communication-Riggleman-s-stamp-on-Nats

 

i must have missed the part of that article where it talked about coming in 2-4 hours early to work on that stuff and also coming in on days off.

[MADD_DOG_31]

Oh yeah, if we're looking at errors only...

 

Last year the Cubs were the third worst fielding team in the majors. This year they are pretty much dead on average (25 errors, 24 is the average & median).

 

My theory is that it is all the hard work Quade has them doing that is causing the improvement.

 

the errors arent the whole argument.....as a whole they do NOTHING fundamentally correct...and i mean NOTHING

 

and who ever answers for anything except the guy who is responsible for the mess?

[Cubswin11]

This team [expletive] sucks

[MADD_DOG_31]

also, please provide me a link to an article saying that riggs has his players come in every day of the baseball season for "taking infield, learning how to bunt and hit behind runners, and learning the general fundamentals of the game"

 

http://times-news.com/basketball/x1720293948/Hard-work-communication-Riggleman-s-stamp-on-Nats

 

i must have missed the part of that article where it talked about coming in 2-4 hours early to work on that stuff and also coming in on days off.

 

uhhhh i didnt memorize exact quotes from a year ago and thats why i didnt " " them....its the general idea and i dont see how anyone could argue that it could possibly hurt anything

[TruffleShuffle]

uhhhh i didnt memorize exact quotes from a year ago and thats why i didnt " " them....its the general idea and i dont see how anyone could argue that it could possibly hurt anything

 

because it's a veteran team and you're advocating treating them like children. what's he going to tell them, hey garza don't throw the ball into the camera well? pena, catch the ball when it's hit at you?

[Careless]

I never knew you could fix deteriorating baseball skills with good ol' gritty fundamentals.

Sort of an interesting question. There must be some marginal improvement you could eke out if you focused all your energies on those things, but how much? How close is veteran MLB player to his peak possible abilities in skill sets he doesn't focus on? (not that doing so will likely win you more games)

[Shilzzz]

i can't believe that after all these years of nsbb there are still people making the types of arguments on this specific page.

[Guest]

Oh yeah, if we're looking at errors only...

 

Last year the Cubs were the third worst fielding team in the majors. This year they are pretty much dead on average (25 errors, 24 is the average & median).

 

My theory is that it is all the hard work Quade has them doing that is causing the improvement.

 

the errors arent the whole argument.....as a whole they do NOTHING fundamentally correct...and i mean NOTHING

 

and who ever answers for anything except the guy who is responsible for the mess?

The errors may not be the whole argument, but they're sure as heck why we are having this discussion today. And the data pretty strongly suggests that your observations of this team being fundamentally unsound relative to the rest of MLB is simply a crock.

 

Could it be that your perceptions of the rest of their game is just as inaccurate?

[MADD_DOG_31]

uhhhh i didnt memorize exact quotes from a year ago and thats why i didnt " " them....its the general idea and i dont see how anyone could argue that it could possibly hurt anything

 

because it's a veteran team and you're advocating treating them like children. what's he going to tell them, hey garza don't throw the ball into the camera well? pena, catch the ball when it's hit at you?

 

veterans are playing like children so u treat them like children...accountability is very important in this game because of all the money the players make

 

the only tools the manager has are taking away playing time and free time....if the players want them back theyll work hard and play better ...simple

[Shilzzz]

maybe some veteran posters need to be re-fundamentalized in the gritty teachings of simple math and basic economics of aging

[MADD_DOG_31]

Oh yeah, if we're looking at errors only...

 

Last year the Cubs were the third worst fielding team in the majors. This year they are pretty much dead on average (25 errors, 24 is the average & median).

 

My theory is that it is all the hard work Quade has them doing that is causing the improvement.

 

the errors arent the whole argument.....as a whole they do NOTHING fundamentally correct...and i mean NOTHING

 

and who ever answers for anything except the guy who is responsible for the mess?

The errors may not be the whole argument, but they're sure as heck why we are having this discussion today. And the data pretty strongly suggests that your observations of this team being fundamentally unsound relative to the rest of MLB is simply a crock.

 

Could it be that your perceptions of the rest of their game is just as inaccurate?

 

Im willing to listen...what is 1 thing they do consistently well fundamentally? defense? moving runners? bunting? throwing to the right base? hitting cutoff men? base running?

 

i honestly cannot think of 1 thing they dont need to work on....and to be honest most good teams/managers have these kinks worked out in spring training

[TruffleShuffle]

the only tools the manager has are taking away playing time and free time....if the players want them back theyll work hard and play better ...simple

 

you really sure the manager has the tool of taking away free time? i'm pretty sure the players association would like to weigh in on that.

[MADD_DOG_31]

the only tools the manager has are taking away playing time and free time....if the players want them back theyll work hard and play better ...simple

 

you really sure the manager has the tool of taking away free time? i'm pretty sure the players association would like to weigh in on that.

 

the manager can make the players be at the park as early as he wants before games...he the boss, they are the employees period

 

they can not show up and face fines/suspension but he can call meetings/practices whenever he so chooses

[TruffleShuffle]

the only tools the manager has are taking away playing time and free time....if the players want them back theyll work hard and play better ...simple

 

you really sure the manager has the tool of taking away free time? i'm pretty sure the players association would like to weigh in on that.

 

the manager can make the players be at the park as early as he wants before games...he the boss, they are the employees period

 

they can not show up and face fines/suspension but he can call meetings/practices whenever he so chooses

 

right so if quade says the players have to be at wrigley every day at 8 a.m. for a 1:20 game the players have no recourse?

[MADD_DOG_31]

the only tools the manager has are taking away playing time and free time....if the players want them back theyll work hard and play better ...simple

 

you really sure the manager has the tool of taking away free time? i'm pretty sure the players association would like to weigh in on that.

 

the manager can make the players be at the park as early as he wants before games...he the boss, they are the employees period

 

they can not show up and face fines/suspension but he can call meetings/practices whenever he so chooses

 

right so if quade says the players have to be at wrigley every day at 8 a.m. for a 1:20 game the players have no recourse?

 

NO they r salaried employees...the law doesnt change for baseball players

[Shilzzz]

no.

the manager must rule with an iron fist.

the players will comply appropriately, recognizing their pitiful place at last.

the fans will cheer on the masochistic successes heretofore merely a utopia imagined by good ol' boys and girls who know the way things really work, damn it, period.

why won't you listen to obvious logic, truffle?

[TruffleShuffle]

you apparently have a fundamental misunderstanding of labor markets and fair work practices.

[Shilzzz]

NO they r salaried employees...the law doesnt change for baseball players

 

hell yeah, bruh.

i say we make them celeried employees... don't feed 'em unless they get it perfect (a perfection which is completely dictated by guys like us, of course, not these union jerkoff slackers)

[MADD_DOG_31]

you apparently have a fundamental misunderstanding of labor markets and fair work practices.

 

ummm no...show me where it says salaried employees only have to work when they want and have restrictions on time periods

[Shilzzz]

as if they scheduled game times, length of games, and the way each is played! HUZZAH!

[SouthSideRyan]

And this is why game threads aren't as long anymore.

[TruffleShuffle]

i'm baffled as to how you can think that a union as powerful as the MLBPA has no wording in their collective bargaining agreement about how much time that MLB organizations can ask of their players.

[MADD_DOG_31]

NO they r salaried employees...the law doesnt change for baseball players

 

hell yeah, bruh.

i say we make them celeried employees... don't feed 'em unless they get it perfect (a perfection which is completely dictated by guys like us, of course, not these union jerkoff slackers)

 

ok...that is funny :lol:

[Shilzzz]

And this is why game threads aren't as long anymore.

 

not because the team is pretty bad and interest has lulled thusly?

[SouthSideRyan]

And this is why game threads aren't as long anymore.

 

not because the team is pretty bad and interest has lulled thusly?

 

No, because game threads are a haven for reactionary psychos and teeball coaches.