Doug Davis to join the rotation

[Rob]

I'm surprised there isn't a thread about this already. He'll be our starting pitcher Saturday.

 

Rumor has it that he's guaranteed $900,000 when he gets called up, so I'm beginning to worry about what role Cashner is going to have when he does return.

[Andy]

It would be fairly predictable for the Cubs to grossly overreact and shelve Cashner-as-starter forever.

[Sammy Sofa]

So now we DON'T want him up instead of Russell? This is so confusing. I always lose track of what we're supposed to be miserable over each week.

[rocket]

eh, they need a body for a few more starts. may as well be this guy.

[treebird]

this guy here is dead

[UMFan83]

So now we DON'T want him up instead of Russell? This is so confusing. I always lose track of what we're supposed to be miserable over each week.

 

Who said they don't want Davis to start instead of Russell? People are saying that they hope Cashner doesn't lose his rotation spot because of Davis.

[SouthSideRyan]

We ate 80 million to make Carlos Silva go away, and you guys are worried we're gonna keep Davis in the rotation due to 900K?

[UMFan83]

We ate 80 million to make Carlos Silva go away, and you guys are worried we're gonna keep Davis in the rotation due to 900K?

 

Since when have the Cubs been associated with logic?

[TruffleShuffle]

hopefully he can face the cubs, i seem to remember a doug davis with completely mediocre stuff faring very well against the cubs.

[Little Slide Rooter]

We ate 80 million to make Carlos Silva go away, and you guys are worried we're gonna keep Davis in the rotation due to 900K?

 

It would be more logical to save money and bring up Jay Jackson, someone with a future with this team.

[dew1679666265]

We ate 80 million to make Carlos Silva go away, and you guys are worried we're gonna keep Davis in the rotation due to 900K?

 

It would be more logical to save money and bring up Jay Jackson, someone with a future with this team.

 

Unless there's nobody quite ready right now and they don't want to start the FA clock on a guy with an actual future. Jay's been having some real struggles for a while and probably isn't ready to step in and pitch well yet.

[Little Slide Rooter]

We ate 80 million to make Carlos Silva go away, and you guys are worried we're gonna keep Davis in the rotation due to 900K?

 

It would be more logical to save money and bring up Jay Jackson, someone with a future with this team.

 

Unless there's nobody quite ready right now and they don't want to start the FA clock on a guy with an actual future. Jay's been having some real struggles for a while and probably isn't ready to step in and pitch well yet.

I agree with you in part, but isn't 900K a lot of money for a guy to make 2-3 starts? I understand he adds pitcing depth afterword, but for that money, is he that much better than even Ramon Ortiz?

[UMFan83]

We ate 80 million to make Carlos Silva go away, and you guys are worried we're gonna keep Davis in the rotation due to 900K?

 

It would be more logical to save money and bring up Jay Jackson, someone with a future with this team.

 

Unless there's nobody quite ready right now and they don't want to start the FA clock on a guy with an actual future. Jay's been having some real struggles for a while and probably isn't ready to step in and pitch well yet.

I agree with you in part, but isn't 900K a lot of money for a guy to make 2-3 starts? I understand he adds pitcing depth afterword, but for that money, is he that much better than even Ramon Ortiz?

 

It probably wouldnt even be in the top 30 worst wastes of money in the Jim Hendry era.

[SouthSideRyan]

We ate 80 million to make Carlos Silva go away, and you guys are worried we're gonna keep Davis in the rotation due to 900K?

 

It would be more logical to save money and bring up Jay Jackson, someone with a future with this team.

 

Unless there's nobody quite ready right now and they don't want to start the FA clock on a guy with an actual future. Jay's been having some real struggles for a while and probably isn't ready to step in and pitch well yet.

I agree with you in part, but isn't 900K a lot of money for a guy to make 2-3 starts? I understand he adds pitcing depth afterword, but for that money, is he that much better than even Ramon Ortiz?

 

It's not necessarily a lock that both Cashner and Wells come back according to their current timetables, and Coleman hasn't exactly been knocking it out of the park in his starts.

 

I'm not that well-versed in minor league contracts, if Davis were signed to the standard minor league contract for a vet, would he be looking at a guaranteed league minimum payout? I really don't think this is a big deal.

[Sammy Sofa]

So now we DON'T want him up instead of Russell? This is so confusing. I always lose track of what we're supposed to be miserable over each week.

 

Who said they don't want Davis to start instead of Russell? People are saying that they hope Cashner doesn't lose his rotation spot because of Davis.

 

Seemingly out the fear of him simply being bumped up and maybe being promised $900k out of necessity.

[Sammy Sofa]

We ate 80 million to make Carlos Silva go away, and you guys are worried we're gonna keep Davis in the rotation due to 900K?

 

It would be more logical to save money and bring up Jay Jackson, someone with a future with this team.

 

How is that logical when the Davis situation is based out of a lack of pitching depth that you don't want to start the clock on?

Edited May 12, 2011 by Sammy Sofa

[Little Slide Rooter]

So now we DON'T want him up instead of Russell? This is so confusing. I always lose track of what we're supposed to be miserable over each week.

 

Who said they don't want Davis to start instead of Russell? People are saying that they hope Cashner doesn't lose his rotation spot because of Davis.

 

Seemingly out the fear of him simply being bumped up and maybe being promised $900k out of necessity.

 

The only thing is the options of Jay Jackson and Ramon Ortiz. Davis has never exactly been a star. If we were taking a 900K chance on a guy with potential to be great, then it would be one thing, but its on a guy whose ceiling is probably an OK 4-5 starter, and I think that Jay Jackson or even Ramon Ortiz could do that as well. In past years, the 900K wouldnt even register, but now that moneys supposedly a bit tighter, youd think theyd try one of the cheaper options. And I dont think theres a person out there who would prefer Russell to Davis.

[Sammy Sofa]

The $900k spent on Davis this year doesn't impede the money they can spend next year. Davis likely/hopefully isn't going to get a ton of starts (though almost certainly more than the 2-3 you place him at), so why start the clock on Jackson for such a limited window?

[SouthSideRyan]

Can somebody point me in the direction of where this 900K guarantee is being reported?

 

A google of Doug Davis contract(and checking Cots) reveals a few different answers.

 

Cots has it at 900K in the minors. Rosenthal has it as pro-rated 900K in the majors. Nowhere have I seen a report saying he will receive a guaranteed 900K once he's promoted in the majors. I also haven't seen it clarified that he would receive the pro-rated 900K from the second he hits the majors through the end of the season.

 

ETA: He did have an opt-out on May 30th.

Edited May 12, 2011 by SouthSideRyan

[TruffleShuffle]

plus if jackson becomes a legitimate major league starter down the road, you've started the clock a year early on him, costing you money.

 

zambrano has missed time to injury in recent years. wells and cashner have each missed time this year. so it's not like you're likely to pitch davis once or twice and then have no use for him the rest of the season.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

900K or not, I just don't see the need for hand wringing over Doug Davis. Davis has been a serviceable starter over his career. I don't think he will in any way impede Cashner returning to the rotation, unless there are concerns about Cashner's well being.

 

I don't expect much from Davis, but he probably can't be any worse than Russell. We need to do something about that fifth spot, and Davis if nothing else, has been a soild pitcher when healthy. Considering the other options available, I'm not going to get upset over Davis in the rotation.

[Sammy Sofa]

900K or not, I just don't see the need for hand wringing over Doug Davis. Davis has been a serviceable starter over his career. I don't think he will in any way impede Cashner returning to the rotation, unless there are concerns about Cashner's well being.

 

I don't expect much from Davis, but he probably can't be any worse than Russell. We need to do something about that fifth spot, and Davis if nothing else, has been a soild pitcher when healthy. Considering the other options available, I'm not going to get upset over Davis in the rotation.

 

Exactly.

[mike2482]

The one game I go to in 3 years and I get to see Doug Davis vs. Ryan Vogleson. (sp.?). Arrrg!

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The one game I go to in 3 years and I get to see Doug Davis vs. Ryan Vogleson. (sp.?). Arrrg!

You lucky bastard.

[Little Slide Rooter]

900K or not, I just don't see the need for hand wringing over Doug Davis. Davis has been a serviceable starter over his career. I don't think he will in any way impede Cashner returning to the rotation, unless there are concerns about Cashner's well being.

 

I don't expect much from Davis, but he probably can't be any worse than Russell. We need to do something about that fifth spot, and Davis if nothing else, has been a soild pitcher when healthy. Considering the other options available, I'm not going to get upset over Davis in the rotation.

 

Exactly.

 

Nobodys wringing their hands or even particularly upset. Just thinking from a business perspective.