College Basketball 2011-2012

[illiniguy]

Illinois won't be on the hook for all of Webers salary is my bet. He's not gonna sit at home and retire. He won't work for TV, have you heard his voice? I bet he's back at a mid major quickly.

[bukie]

Heck, Southern Illinois would hire him back in a heartbeat.

[illiniguy]

Heck, Southern Illinois would hire him back in a heartbeat.

Yep, plus I think we went cheap on football hire because Thomas knows what we are. There is money to be spent. Hopefully Smart want the job.

[SouthSideRyan]

Illinois won't be on the hook for all of Webers salary is my bet. He's not gonna sit at home and retire. He won't work for TV, have you heard his voice? I bet he's back at a mid major quickly.

 

Is that how it works? Any salary earned as a coach is deducted from the buyout?

[illiniguy]

Illinois won't be on the hook for all of Webers salary is my bet. He's not gonna sit at home and retire. He won't work for TV, have you heard his voice? I bet he's back at a mid major quickly.

 

Is that how it works? Any salary earned as a coach is deducted from the buyout?

Depends on the contract, but from what I've read that is the case with Webers contract.

[Magnetic Curses]

Illinois won't be on the hook for all of Webers salary is my bet. He's not gonna sit at home and retire. He won't work for TV, have you heard his voice? I bet he's back at a mid major quickly.

 

Is that how it works? Any salary earned as a coach is deducted from the buyout?

Depends on the contract, but from what I've read that is the case with Webers contract.

 

so, essentially, he wouldn't have to resign for us to get some money back? that's nice.

[SouthSideRyan]

Illinois won't be on the hook for all of Webers salary is my bet. He's not gonna sit at home and retire. He won't work for TV, have you heard his voice? I bet he's back at a mid major quickly.

 

Is that how it works? Any salary earned as a coach is deducted from the buyout?

Depends on the contract, but from what I've read that is the case with Webers contract.

 

Well that's fantastic. Problem is he probably lands at a mid-major for less than 1M, so we'll still be paying him something.

[Flames24Rulz]

Heck, Southern Illinois would hire him back in a heartbeat.

 

I would, but I'm sure he can find a better job than what we're currently going through. It's not a certainty that Lowery's canned either because he has more than one year left on his contract after this season.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Texas Tech led A&M 24-9 with 6:18 to go in the first half. They scored 14 points the rest of the game...A&M wins 47-38.

[Old Style]

Ugly, ugly game. But I'll take a win that like over a pretty loss any day of the week. Extra nice to go 2-0 over Gillispie.

[ConstableRabbit]

You guys can take Carmody.

[Smack]

You guys can take Carmody.

 

You don't like Carmody? The announcers were talking about some stat the other day that Carmody had more 8+ conference win seasons than the 30+ years before he became the coach. My numbers might be a little off, but given his recruiting restraints (kids have to be able to read and write), facilities, etc. I think he's doing a pretty good job, no?

[Smack]

tadowdaddy, if you're out there, you'll love this..

 

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[SouthSideRyan]

You guys can take Carmody.

 

You don't like Carmody? The announcers were talking about some stat the other day that Carmody had more 8+ conference win seasons than the 30+ years before he became the coach. My numbers might be a little off, but given his recruiting restraints (kids have to be able to read and write), facilities, etc. I think he's doing a pretty good job, no?

 

He's plateaued. I don't think they can get much farther under him. He could wind up in the tourney with what he's doing, but if they have any more ambitious goals (they should), then they should probably dump him before that happens.

[Exile on Waveland]

You guys can take Carmody.

 

You don't like Carmody? The announcers were talking about some stat the other day that Carmody had more 8+ conference win seasons than the 30+ years before he became the coach. My numbers might be a little off, but given his recruiting restraints (kids have to be able to read and write), facilities, etc. I think he's doing a pretty good job, no?

 

He's plateaued. I don't think they can get much farther under him. He could wind up in the tourney with what he's doing, but if they have any more ambitious goals (they should), then they should probably dump him before that happens.

 

Considering that plateau is at a far higher elevation than Northwestern had ever previously reached, this seems rather myopic. Programs that move on from their most successful coaches because those coaches have "plateaued" and the program wants to reach the "next level" seem to decline more often than they incline.

[Smack]

Plus, looking at some of the recruiting classes coming in around the B1G over the next two years - things aren't going to get easier for Northwestern. If they change coaches and systems they'll hit the mat in a heartbeat and be down there with PSU and Nebraska.

[SouthSideRyan]

You guys can take Carmody.

 

You don't like Carmody? The announcers were talking about some stat the other day that Carmody had more 8+ conference win seasons than the 30+ years before he became the coach. My numbers might be a little off, but given his recruiting restraints (kids have to be able to read and write), facilities, etc. I think he's doing a pretty good job, no?

 

He's plateaued. I don't think they can get much farther under him. He could wind up in the tourney with what he's doing, but if they have any more ambitious goals (they should), then they should probably dump him before that happens.

 

Considering that plateau is at a far higher elevation than Northwestern had ever previously reached, this seems rather myopic. Programs that move on from their most successful coaches because those coaches have "plateaued" and the program wants to reach the "next level" seem to decline more often than they incline.

 

The plateau is NIT berths. What exactly are you risking?

[Exile on Waveland]

You guys can take Carmody.

 

You don't like Carmody? The announcers were talking about some stat the other day that Carmody had more 8+ conference win seasons than the 30+ years before he became the coach. My numbers might be a little off, but given his recruiting restraints (kids have to be able to read and write), facilities, etc. I think he's doing a pretty good job, no?

 

He's plateaued. I don't think they can get much farther under him. He could wind up in the tourney with what he's doing, but if they have any more ambitious goals (they should), then they should probably dump him before that happens.

 

Considering that plateau is at a far higher elevation than Northwestern had ever previously reached, this seems rather myopic. Programs that move on from their most successful coaches because those coaches have "plateaued" and the program wants to reach the "next level" seem to decline more often than they incline.

 

The plateau is NIT berths. What exactly are you risking?

 

The one and two win Big Ten seasons Northwestern used to specialize in? The Big Ten is filled with some really strong coaches at the best programs -- and Illinois is likely to upgrade their coaching position this offseason (if it were me, I'd go after Buzz Williams) -- and I fail to see much room for upward mobility for Northwestern. I see more room for downward mobility: Iowa is improving and Nebraska is, at least, improving their facilities.

[SouthSideRyan]

There's no reason NU's basketball program can't be at the level of their football program.

 

And looking at your last post, it makes me realize how fucked Penn State is.

[Magnetic Curses]

one thing that i like is that Mike Thomas is spamming Chicago radio big time. he seems to be committed to owning the city.

[SouthSideRyan]

And looking at your last post, it makes me realize how [expletive] Penn State is.

 

And not just because Bruce Weber is getting fired.

[Exile on Waveland]

There's no reason NU's basketball program can't be at the level of their football program.

 

And looking at your last post, it makes me realize how [expletive] Penn State is.

 

It has always confounded me how an excellent academic institution with high standards was incapable of fielding a competitive five/thirteen man basketball team . . . yet could field a competitive twenty-two/eighty-five man football team. In a vacuum, I believe you're correct, there is no reason Northwestern couldn't be equally good in basketball. Big Ten basketball is currently a good deal more difficult than Big Ten football, for what that's worth, though; and Carmody's performance isn't that much worse than Pat Fitzgerald's performance in football (it is certainly worse, of course).

 

Yeah, Penn State is just not really in the discussion. They pop up and have decent seasons every once in awhile; but no one really seems to care either way. Nor do they have any built-in excuses like Northwestern -- other than lack of support, which is self-inflicted.

[ConstableRabbit]

You guys can take Carmody.

 

You don't like Carmody? The announcers were talking about some stat the other day that Carmody had more 8+ conference win seasons than the 30+ years before he became the coach. My numbers might be a little off, but given his recruiting restraints (kids have to be able to read and write), facilities, etc. I think he's doing a pretty good job, no?

Here's the thing: he's one of the highest paid coaches in DI and it has taken him 12 seasons to get where he is -- which, albeit "good" for Northwestern isn't where any fans want to be. I think he's a good coach, but if we're going to spend that kind of money, I'd rather throw it at someone who can get players in the door. NU is apparently rolling out their new facilities plan soon and that could help lure potential coaches and players if the school decides to fire him.

 

I won't be furious if Carmody is retained, but it's frustrating to see him max out his crappy recruits (mostly-- Cobb was a Rivals100 guy) and not make the tournament.

[ConstableRabbit]

There's no reason NU's basketball program can't be at the level of their football program.

 

And looking at your last post, it makes me realize how [expletive] Penn State is.

 

It has always confounded me how an excellent academic institution with high standards was incapable of fielding a competitive five/thirteen man basketball team . . . yet could field a competitive twenty-two/eighty-five man football team. In a vacuum, I believe you're correct, there is no reason Northwestern couldn't be equally good in basketball. Big Ten basketball is currently a good deal more difficult than Big Ten football, for what that's worth, though; and Carmody's performance isn't that much worse than Pat Fitzgerald's performance in football (it is certainly worse, of course).

 

Yeah, Penn State is just not really in the discussion. They pop up and have decent seasons every once in awhile; but no one really seems to care either way. Nor do they have any built-in excuses like Northwestern -- other than lack of support, which is self-inflicted.

He's been trending upwards, but has been significantly worse than Pat Fitzgerald.

Fitz: 40-36 overall (21-27 conference)

Carmody: 170-178 overall (61-127 conference)

 

Winning 32% of your conference games is just plain awful.

[Exile on Waveland]

He's been trending upwards, but has been significantly worse than Pat Fitzgerald.

Fitz: 40-36 overall (21-27 conference)

Carmody: 170-178 overall (61-127 conference)

 

Winning 32% of your conference games is just plain awful.

 

It's difficult to make a straight comparison. Pat Fitzgerald inherited a program that went 4-4, 5-3, and 5-3 in the Big Ten the three previous seasons. Bill Carmody inherited a program that went 3-13, 6-10, 0-16 in the Big Ten the three previous seasons. During the Fitzgerald era, their conference records look like this (this isn't exactly fair, either, considering Carmody had six years to build to this point):

 

Fitzgerald

2-6

3-5

5-3

5-3

3-5

3-5

 

Carmody

2-14

1-17

8-10

7-11

7-11

5-6

 

Carmody's record is certainly worse, but the last four years have been pretty close. And it's going to be hard to hire someone equivalent to Fitzgerald for basketball, in my opinion.