2011 Bears Offseason thread

[rawaction]

If we're going to spend money in FA on a WR, the only guys that truly can make a difference for us more than a 2nd round pick possibly could are V-Jax, Rice, Holmes, Edwards, and POSSIBLY James Jones and Mike Sims Walker.

 

If we don't get one of those 6(hopefully 1 of the first 4) then just put that money into either line or defensive backfield and draft a guy early on.

 

That said, I really want WR addressed through FA.

 

Malcom Floyd is a pretty good WR too, though he's never had more than 45 catches in a season. As is Steve Breaston. Jacoby Jones is also very intriguing also as he is 26 years old, 6'2", 210lbs, and averaged 5.5 catches and 72 yards in his last 4 games this year.

[Banedon]

If we're going to spend money in FA on a WR, the only guys that truly can make a difference for us more than a 2nd round pick possibly could are V-Jax, Rice, Holmes, Edwards, and POSSIBLY James Jones and Mike Sims Walker.

 

If we don't get one of those 6(hopefully 1 of the first 4) then just put that money into either line or defensive backfield and draft a guy early on.

 

That said, I really want WR addressed through FA.

 

Eww...Mike Sims Walker. He was a major dud for me in fantasy this year, so naturally I don't like him...:P

[davell]

If we're going to spend money in FA on a WR, the only guys that truly can make a difference for us more than a 2nd round pick possibly could are V-Jax, Rice, Holmes, Edwards, and POSSIBLY James Jones and Mike Sims Walker.

 

If we don't get one of those 6(hopefully 1 of the first 4) then just put that money into either line or defensive backfield and draft a guy early on.

 

That said, I really want WR addressed through FA.

 

Malcom Floyd is a pretty good WR too, though he's never had more than 45 catches in a season. As is Steve Breaston. Jacoby Jones is also very intriguing also as he is 26 years old, 6'2", 210lbs, and averaged 5.5 catches and 72 yards in his last 4 games this year.

 

I like those guys some as well, but other than possibly Breaston, I don't see them as major upgrades. Floyd's a possibility to become a breakout guy, but I'd rather take a chance on someone we already know can do it, instead of someone we hope can do it. I don't trust Breaston to stay healthy and I'm not going to get excited over 4 game stretches anymore, thanks to Aromoshadu.

 

And Sims Walker screwed me as well in FFB, so it hurts me to put him on this list at all, but I do think he's talented.

 

As I've been saying, I think Edwards is our best bet. Not the best option by any stretch, but the guy we may actually have a chance with.

[JonJayCutler]

As I've been saying, I think Edwards is our best bet. Not the best option by any stretch, but the guy we may actually have a chance with.

 

Rice is three years younger, doesn't have a history of drops, and is less of a distraction off the field. I'd be fine with Edwards if we can't get Rice though.

[brinoch]

Throw the money at Holmes, please. Thanks!

[DivineBovine]

Of the guys mentioned, I like VJax and Rice. Big guys who can catch it in traffic.

 

Edwards made some killer plays this year, but he's got some baggage and he's never been a consistent producer. I'm mixed on Santonio. I'm not sure we need another small fast guy.

[rawaction]

Of the guys mentioned, I like VJax and Rice. Big guys who can catch it in traffic.

 

Edwards made some killer plays this year, but he's got some baggage and he's never been a consistent producer. I'm mixed on Santonio. I'm not sure we need another small fast guy.

 

The problem isn't necessarily size with Knox and Hester. It's lack of strength against the bump and lack of route running ability to juke away from the press coverage. Holmes has both of those. As did the small Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce who worked well in the Martz offense. If Martz is hellbent on going with small fast guys, there is no better small fast guy in the league than Santonio Holmes.

[Banedon]

Of the guys mentioned, I like VJax and Rice. Big guys who can catch it in traffic.

 

Edwards made some killer plays this year, but he's got some baggage and he's never been a consistent producer. I'm mixed on Santonio. I'm not sure we need another small fast guy.

 

The problem isn't necessarily size with Knox and Hester. It's lack of strength against the bump and lack of route running ability to juke away from the press coverage. Holmes has both of those. As did the small Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce who worked well in the Martz offense. If Martz is hellbent on going with small fast guys, there is no better small fast guy in the league than Santonio Holmes.

 

Yeah, Holmes will fight for the ball. I'd love Santonio Holmes, though I completely understand the desire for a big WR.

[Guest]

Of the guys mentioned, I like VJax and Rice. Big guys who can catch it in traffic.

 

Edwards made some killer plays this year, but he's got some baggage and he's never been a consistent producer. I'm mixed on Santonio. I'm not sure we need another small fast guy.

 

The problem isn't necessarily size with Knox and Hester. It's lack of strength against the bump and lack of route running ability to juke away from the press coverage. Holmes has both of those. As did the small Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce who worked well in the Martz offense. If Martz is hellbent on going with small fast guys, there is no better small fast guy in the league than Santonio Holmes.

There's always you.

[rawaction]

Of the guys mentioned, I like VJax and Rice. Big guys who can catch it in traffic.

 

Edwards made some killer plays this year, but he's got some baggage and he's never been a consistent producer. I'm mixed on Santonio. I'm not sure we need another small fast guy.

 

The problem isn't necessarily size with Knox and Hester. It's lack of strength against the bump and lack of route running ability to juke away from the press coverage. Holmes has both of those. As did the small Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce who worked well in the Martz offense. If Martz is hellbent on going with small fast guys, there is no better small fast guy in the league than Santonio Holmes.

There's always you.

 

I'm not tough enough, or consistent enough. I have too many 1 or 2 catch games and don't show up every week.

[JonJayCutler]

there is no better small fast guy in the league than Santonio Holmes.

 

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[rawaction]

Holmes is a better WR than Jackson. While Jackson does have 2 1000 yard seasons to Holmes' 1. Jackson has caught only 62, 62, and 47 passes each year. Holmes has a 79 catch year and caught balls at a 70-catch pace this year (4-game suspension). Jackson's a better big play threat, but Holmes is a better intermediate threat and can make a play for you more consistently.

[JonJayCutler]

Holmes is a better WR than Jackson. While Jackson does have 2 1000 yard seasons to Holmes' 1. Jackson has caught only 62, 62, and 47 passes each year. Holmes has a 79 catch year and caught balls at a 70-catch pace this year (4-game suspension). Jackson's a better big play threat, but Holmes is a better intermediate threat and can make a play for you more consistently.

 

Jackson has one more 1,000 yard season in two less years played. In addition, he has averaged over two yards more per catch than Holmes in their respective careers. In pretty much no circumstance would I take Holmes over Jackson, give me the more explosive player.

[rawaction]

Holmes is a better WR than Jackson. While Jackson does have 2 1000 yard seasons to Holmes' 1. Jackson has caught only 62, 62, and 47 passes each year. Holmes has a 79 catch year and caught balls at a 70-catch pace this year (4-game suspension). Jackson's a better big play threat, but Holmes is a better intermediate threat and can make a play for you more consistently.

 

Jackson has one more 1,000 yard season in two less years played. In addition, he has averaged over two yards more per catch than Holmes in their respective careers. In pretty much no circumstance would I take Holmes over Jackson, give me the more explosive player.

 

Johnny Knox has averaged over 2 more yards per catch than Larry Fitzgerald in their respective careers. Maybe an extreme example, but Knox is more explosive than Fitz then technically.

[Guest]

there is no better small fast guy in the league than Santonio Holmes.

 

http://phillysportscentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/desean-jackson1-e12801697709841.jpg

 

Heh, I take it you don't know raw's real name.

[bukie]

there is no better small fast guy in the league than Santonio Holmes.

 

http://phillysportscentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/desean-jackson1-e12801697709841.jpg

 

Heh, I take it you don't know raw's real name.

Or that he's really DeSean Jackson.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Heh, I take it you don't know raw's real name.

I always thought he wrote like a Jerry

[davell]

My perfect offseason for the Bears: I'm assuming we don't go crazy in FA with this, but do spend SOME money.

 

Cut: Harris, Taylor, Manumaleuna(may not even make sense to cut Taylor or Manu right now, so if it's not, keep them)

 

Resign: Manning, Adams(one year deal), Hanie, Kreutz(one year deal) Roach

 

Sign: WR Braylon Edwards, OG Harvey Dahl, CB Carlos Rogers

 

Draft:

1st- OT Anthony Sherrod

2nd- DT Stephen Paea

3rd- FS Deunta Williams

4th- OT/OG Demarcus Love

5th- OLB KJ Wright

6th- RB John Clay

 

I'd think that Rogers wouldn't be that expensive and he'd at least upgrade CB some. Edwards is a nice upgrade at WR and Dahl immediately improves the line quite a bit without spending HUGE on Mankins.

 

With the draft, you let Sherrod and Webb's play dictate where on the line they'll be. Paea drops somehow and we nab him and he potentially is a starter from Day 1. Deunta Williams is another early round talent that potentially falls. Replacement for Harris' in a year or so. Love is a project that could wind up anywhere on the line in a couple of years. Reach for the stars type pick with Wright, LB depth anyway, and Clay could morph into a solid short yardage back.

 

We'd fill in basically all of our holes with this. I don't expect us to do this much, but it'd be nice and I think we'd be one of the favorites heading into next year.

[JonJayCutler]

Holmes is a better WR than Jackson. While Jackson does have 2 1000 yard seasons to Holmes' 1. Jackson has caught only 62, 62, and 47 passes each year. Holmes has a 79 catch year and caught balls at a 70-catch pace this year (4-game suspension). Jackson's a better big play threat, but Holmes is a better intermediate threat and can make a play for you more consistently.

 

Jackson has one more 1,000 yard season in two less years played. In addition, he has averaged over two yards more per catch than Holmes in their respective careers. In pretty much no circumstance would I take Holmes over Jackson, give me the more explosive player.

 

Johnny Knox has averaged over 2 more yards per catch than Larry Fitzgerald in their respective careers. Maybe an extreme example, but Knox is more explosive than Fitz then technically.

 

So YPC means nothing but number of catches means everything?

[JonJayCutler]

Also, when is a WR no longer considered small? Mike Wallace and Jeremy Maclin are a couple of fast WRs at 6'0" that I'd consider taking over Holmes as well.

[rawaction]

Holmes is a better WR than Jackson. While Jackson does have 2 1000 yard seasons to Holmes' 1. Jackson has caught only 62, 62, and 47 passes each year. Holmes has a 79 catch year and caught balls at a 70-catch pace this year (4-game suspension). Jackson's a better big play threat, but Holmes is a better intermediate threat and can make a play for you more consistently.

 

Jackson has one more 1,000 yard season in two less years played. In addition, he has averaged over two yards more per catch than Holmes in their respective careers. In pretty much no circumstance would I take Holmes over Jackson, give me the more explosive player.

 

Johnny Knox has averaged over 2 more yards per catch than Larry Fitzgerald in their respective careers. Maybe an extreme example, but Knox is more explosive than Fitz then technically.

 

So YPC means nothing but number of catches means everything?

 

Both mean a lot. Jackson is explosive, but Holmes career 16.0 ypc is nothing to scoff at, especially when he does it while catching more passes than Jackson. Jackson's best season was 62 catches in 15 games, 4.13 catches per game. Holmes has bettered that 3 of his 5 years.

[rawaction]

Also, when is a WR no longer considered small? Mike Wallace and Jeremy Maclin are a couple of fast WRs at 6'0" that I'd consider taking over Holmes as well.

 

I'd consider them small. 6' or below, under 195lbs or so. Despite how they are listed, I think they are both smaller than that. Give me 1 more year of Wallace and Maclin doing what they did this year and then they are in the discussion. Neither is better than Jackson, IMO.

[DivineBovine]

Of the guys mentioned, I like VJax and Rice. Big guys who can catch it in traffic.

 

Edwards made some killer plays this year, but he's got some baggage and he's never been a consistent producer. I'm mixed on Santonio. I'm not sure we need another small fast guy.

 

The problem isn't necessarily size with Knox and Hester. It's lack of strength against the bump and lack of route running ability to juke away from the press coverage. Holmes has both of those. As did the small Torry Holt and Isaac Bruce who worked well in the Martz offense. If Martz is hellbent on going with small fast guys, there is no better small fast guy in the league than Santonio Holmes.

 

Yeah, Holmes will fight for the ball. I'd love Santonio Holmes, though I completely understand the desire for a big WR.

 

 

I know. Santonio will not be a Johnny Knox and disappear if the ball isn't in his hands. And he's great after the catch. But he's not exactly the type of guy Cutler can throw it at in coverage and come down with it.

 

And where the the DJax vs. Santonio debate come from? I think they're similar. Santonio is better in traffic, DJax is a faster more elusive guy. But I'd take VJax over both of them.

[ELCABALLO45]

Does Greg Jennings count? 5-11 198.

[DivineBovine]

Does Greg Jennings count? 5-11 198.

 

 

Jennings is pretty damn good. But sorry. Hearing all this talk recently (like from the Bears defense) that the Packers have the best receivers in the league is a joke. Driver is old and past his prime. Jones is inconsistent and drops too many passes. Finley might be the best weapon they have, and he's been out. Who knows what Jennings would do on another team. I suspect he'd be pretty good on the Colts and not so good on the Raiders.

 

I think the fact that the Packers are so good on offense without much of a running game is more a testament to their offensive scheme and Aaron Rodgers than it is to their recievers.