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[dew1679666265]

is 10/300 really a possibility? that is just [expletive] insane.

 

Depending on the competition for him. If it's primarily the Cubs and maybe a couple other teams, I doubt the bidding gets close to that. If, however, the Cubs go against many of the possible teams - Blue Jays, Orioles, Nationals, Yankees, Red Sox, Angels - then I could see the bidding possibly getting into that area. I wouldn't call it very likely at all, especially since all signs point to the Yankees and Red Sox not having interest and Pujols preferring to avoid the DH.

[Splendid Splinter]

Here's what I would do with Fielder... I would offer him a 6 year deal with 2 option years (maybe team 1st year team option then 2nd year player option) on top of that so it can be 8 years. I would also put in a opt out clause in like 4th or 5th (or even both) if Fielder wants out early and get another big deal (like CC this offseason). I think that would interests Fielder and Boras more in that it gives them options with the contract. The only problem I'm having is how much per year on average to offer Fielder. I can see anywhere from 17-25 mil/yr.

 

Is this possible or just wishful thinking here by me?

[UMFan83]

Home clubhouse is a POS but it's a mansion compared to the visitors clubhouse. If you've ever taken a tour at Wrigley the difference is noticeable IMO. Also the visitors have to walk like a half mile through a tunnel to get to the field meaning its harder to go back and forth from the clubhouse during the game.

[17 Seconds]

I really don't think that signing Pujols is as slam-dunk of a decision as many do here

 

agreed. the more i think about it, the less i want to sign pujols at 220+ million or whatever. i'd feel a lot more comfortable with fielder at like 150 million or whatever

[XZero771679666304]

is 10/300 really a possibility? that is just [expletive] insane.

 

Depending on the competition for him. If it's primarily the Cubs and maybe a couple other teams, I doubt the bidding gets close to that. If, however, the Cubs go against many of the possible teams - Blue Jays, Orioles, Nationals, Yankees, Red Sox, Angels - then I could see the bidding possibly getting into that area. I wouldn't call it very likely at all, especially since all signs point to the Yankees and Red Sox not having interest and Pujols preferring to avoid the DH.

 

I think that prior to this season, a deal of 10/300 or more was a real possibility. But after the "down" year Albert had, I'm not so sure. Given that the only teams likely to bid will be the Cardinals, Angels, Nats and hopefully Cubs and given that his 2011 could easily be construed as the beginning of a decline, I'd be surprised if Pujols gets more than 7-8 years at 25-27MM AAV.

[davell]

If McCourt's attorney's and financial advisors convince him that adding a big name player will help with ticket sales and other things like that, to where the player would not be considered a detriment, but a positive cash flow addition, they're going to be big players on these two. Kemp is actively recruiting Prince to LA as it is, so I definitely think there's some validity here, no matter the financial situation of McCourt, who isn't going to own the team by the start of next season anyway. It's just going to depend if they look at adding a guy like this as having added value to the total sale of the club.

[buckeye27]

I'd be elated with a 6/180 deal (30 AAV), happy with an 8/240 deal, and be hesitantly ok with a 10/300 deal for Pujols.

 

For Fielder, I'd be elated with a 6/132 deal (22 AAV), happy with a 6/150 deal (25 AAV), and hesitantly ok with an 8 year deal of any sort.

I would not be OK with a 10/300 deal for Pujols. Way too much, IMO

 

10/300 is just insane. i'd pay a 25 year old guy 10/300 if he was a once in a generation player. but not a 31 year old. then again, i bet albert ends up with a 8/9x25m+.

[Sammy Sofa]

The Cubs 8 years from now will ideally be able to swallow a $30 million contract like it ain't no thang.

[C.C.]

I'd be elated with a 6/180 deal (30 AAV), happy with an 8/240 deal, and be hesitantly ok with a 10/300 deal for Pujols.

 

For Fielder, I'd be elated with a 6/132 deal (22 AAV), happy with a 6/150 deal (25 AAV), and hesitantly ok with an 8 year deal of any sort.

I would not be OK with a 10/300 deal for Pujols. Way too much, IMO

 

10/300 is just insane. i'd pay a 25 year old guy 10/300 if he was a once in a generation player. but not a 31 year old. then again, i bet albert ends up with a 8/9x25m+.

 

He's not getting 10 years or 300 million. No way in hell would any team pay that.

[dew1679666265]

I think that prior to this season, a deal of 10/300 or more was a real possibility. But after the "down" year Albert had, I'm not so sure. Given that the only teams likely to bid will be the Cardinals, Angels, Nats and hopefully Cubs and given that his 2011 could easily be construed as the beginning of a decline, I'd be surprised if Pujols gets more than 7-8 years at 25-27MM AAV.

 

I agree. It still could get into that high-end area, but after his down year and the likelihood that the Yankees and Red Sox won't be a player for him, I think it's pretty unlikely. I think it'll end up in the higher end of your range.

[Sammy Sofa]

I think $26 million is essentially the floor. Boras isn't going to settle for Pujols making the same per year or less than Howard's ridiculous contract.

[XZero771679666304]

I think $26 million is essentially the floor. Boras isn't going to settle for Pujols making the same per year or less than Howard's ridiculous contract.

 

I just don't think Pujols will get huge AAV if the contract is long. Personally, I'd offer him 30-32MM over 5-6 years, but I wouldn't feel comfortable at 30MM per over 9-10 years. I suspect that after this year, most teams will feel that way as well.

 

But yeah, the Howard contract will definitely be the starting point. No way he can settle for as much or less.

 

FTR, Albert's agent is Dan Lozano.

[Sammy Sofa]

Yeah, good call; I was mixing that up with Boras representing Prince.

[Sammy Sofa]

Personally I'd be fine with the Cubs offering 6-7 years at $30 million per.

[C.C.]

Personally I'd be fine with the Cubs offering 6-7 years at $30 million per.

 

I'd love that. I mean he's not going to get more years then that. 6-7 is probably going to be the limit for teams.

[Guest]

I'd be thrilled with a 6/180 contract and happy with a 7/210 contract.

[Benchwarmer]

Personally I'd be fine with the Cubs offering 6-7 years at $30 million per.

 

Ouch..no way for $30M. You're paying for past performance. You know that Pujols has had arm and leg problems the last 2 years. Not saying he's starting to break down, but he knew that 2011 was his walk year and reoccuring injuries would kill the market for him. Pujols will sign after Fielder sets the market and don't see that happening until December.

[Sammy Sofa]

Look, you're likely looking at between $26 million and $30 million a year, so let's not act like $30 million is some huge leap from a more reasonable annual salary.

 

And you're always paying for past performance when you sign a big FA you haven't developed internally.

[Guest]

If McCourt's attorney's and financial advisors convince him that adding a big name player will help with ticket sales and other things like that, to where the player would not be considered a detriment, but a positive cash flow addition, they're going to be big players on these two. Kemp is actively recruiting Prince to LA as it is, so I definitely think there's some validity here, no matter the financial situation of McCourt, who isn't going to own the team by the start of next season anyway. It's just going to depend if they look at adding a guy like this as having added value to the total sale of the club.

McCourt is out. I don't see the Dodgers doing something like this while the bidding process is going on.

 

The Cubs are in the praverbeal cat-bird seat here, except for LAA the other big market clubs have guys or are not able to go after a huge salary guy. It's tbd if the Cubs will choose to act.

 

I honestly think Pujols is going to the AL for a long term contract and a DH job down the line. Prince is the guy I'd target. I'd give up years for a bigger AAV though.

[javy knows my name]

praverbeal

 

Stunning.

[Cubswin11]

If McCourt's attorney's and financial advisors convince him that adding a big name player will help with ticket sales and other things like that, to where the player would not be considered a detriment, but a positive cash flow addition, they're going to be big players on these two. Kemp is actively recruiting Prince to LA as it is, so I definitely think there's some validity here, no matter the financial situation of McCourt, who isn't going to own the team by the start of next season anyway. It's just going to depend if they look at adding a guy like this as having added value to the total sale of the club.

McCourt is out. I don't see the Dodgers doing something like this while the bidding process is going on.

 

The Cubs are in the praverbeal cat-bird seat here, except for LAA the other big market clubs have guys or are not able to go after a huge salary guy. It's tbd if the Cubs will choose to act.

 

I honestly think Pujols is going to the AL for a long term contract and a DH job down the line. Prince is the guy I'd target. I'd give up years for a bigger AAV though.

Agreed. I'd rather have Prince for 5 years at $27-30m per year than have him for 7-8 years at $20-24m per year.

[Eric Clipperton]

I prefer Fielder, not only due to his age, but for his hitting left-handed as well. If your 1B hits right-handed, you're a little bit stuck as far as finding a solid lefty or two to stick in the lineup, especially if we keep Soriano in the lineup. This sort of bothered me when Lee was at first as well. Always nice to have a big righty-masher in the middle of the order (also makes the opposition burn relievers more quickly which could up the value of some platoon guys).

[Conky]

All things being equal, what side of the plate a guy stands on means nothing. Certainly not a viable metric to base a Fielder/ Pujols decision on.

[Guest]

praverbeal

 

Stunning.

Doesn't every recent browser have built in spell check?

[dew1679666265]

I honestly think Pujols is going to the AL for a long term contract and a DH job down the line. Prince is the guy I'd target. I'd give up years for a bigger AAV though.

 

I actually think it'll be the opposite. Pujols has said he doesn't want to DH (or the rumors have been that he doesn't want to DH, I don't think there have been direct quotes from him) and Prince has said he's fine with it. I think Pujols will stick in the NL (Cubs, Nats, Cards frontrunners) and Prince heads to the AL (Angels, Blue Jays, maybe Yankees frontrunners). Obviously if somebody from the opposite league blows one of them away, I don't necessarily think they'll turn it down, but that's the most likely scenario.