Pujols signs with Angels pg 151

[Brian]

hahaha we've been punked by Ozzie and Co

 

 

A) I don't think Pujols is who the Cubs are really after

 

B) At 10 years, the Marlins would be punking themselves

 

I'm perfectly fine with Pujols to the marlins, given the reported terms.

 

10 years with an opt out after 3 could be a brilliant move for them.

 

Yeah, but aren't opt outs at the player's discretion far more often than not? Given the spot he could be in if he declines in the next few years, I don't see Albert going for a scenario where he doesn't have control over the length of his contract. A contract allowing the Marlins to opt out of his contract after 3 years would not be something I could see him or his agent agreeing to.

 

The best the Marlins could hope for would be a limited NTC, imo.

 

I think he is saying a 3 year opt for Albert. Who knows what's going on in 3 years maybe the Dodgers and Mets are financially back on their feet and he can sign an even bigger contract.

[XZero771679666304]

Unless you think the player is going to do something stupid, a player opt-out never improves the contract for the team.

 

Exactly. And I sure as [expletive] don't see Albert agreeing to a team opt out. An opt out is a player perk.

[Guest]

[Brian]

Unless you think the player is going to do something stupid, a player opt-out never improves the contract for the team.

 

Exactly. And I sure as [expletive] don't see Albert agreeing to a team opt out. An opt out is a player perk.

 

It improves the contract for the team if they achieved their goal of a splashy opening to their stadium, and they can cut bait and go back to their old ways.

[XZero771679666304]

hahaha we've been punked by Ozzie and Co

 

 

A) I don't think Pujols is who the Cubs are really after

 

B) At 10 years, the Marlins would be punking themselves

 

I'm perfectly fine with Pujols to the marlins, given the reported terms.

 

10 years with an opt out after 3 could be a brilliant move for them.

 

Yeah, but aren't opt outs at the player's discretion far more often than not? Given the spot he could be in if he declines in the next few years, I don't see Albert going for a scenario where he doesn't have control over the length of his contract. A contract allowing the Marlins to opt out of his contract after 3 years would not be something I could see him or his agent agreeing to.

 

The best the Marlins could hope for would be a limited NTC, imo.

 

I think he is saying a 3 year opt for Albert. Who knows what's going on in 3 years maybe the Dodgers and Mets are financially back on their feet and he can sign an even bigger contract.

 

What are the chances a team is going to pay him more when he is 35? None, I'm thinking.

[ctcf]

JimBowdenESPNxm JIM BOWDEN

Alex Anthopolous told us @Mlbnetorkradio that the Blue Jays are unlikely to sign Prince Fielder because they're not going past 5 yrs for him

 

fth?

[XZero771679666304]

Unless you think the player is going to do something stupid, a player opt-out never improves the contract for the team.

 

Exactly. And I sure as [expletive] don't see Albert agreeing to a team opt out. An opt out is a player perk.

 

It improves the contract for the team if they achieved their goal of a splashy opening to their stadium, and they can cut bait and go back to their old ways.

 

But Albert won't agree to a team opt out. That would be incredibly stupid.

[Banedon]

clarkspencer: Hearing that #marlins are willing to give Pujols no trade in a break with team policy

[ctcf]

clarkspencer clarkspencer

Hearing that #marlins are willing to give Pujols no trade in a break with team policy.

 

If true, that's it. Game over.

[Guest]

clarkspencer clarkspencer

Hearing that #marlins are willing to give Pujols no trade in a break with team policy.

 

If true, that's it. Game over.

 

pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease

[XZero771679666304]

clarkspencer clarkspencer

Hearing that #marlins are willing to give Pujols no trade in a break with team policy.

 

If true, that's it. Game over.

 

pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease

 

I'm feeling the need for some schadenfreude.

[Banedon]

Ken_Rosenthal: #Marlins about to meet internally to talk various issues, including Pujols. Still on Wilson, Buehrle, etc., until they get resolution

[minnesotacubsfan]

how is Pujols an "issue"?

[ctcf]

Quick thought: if the Marlins do sign Pujols, they're out of the race for any significant pitchers. Seems like the Cubs could try to coerce them to overpay for Garza, assuming their system could.

[jersey cubs fan]

What are the chances a team is going to pay him more when he is 35? None, I'm thinking.

 

ARod opted out, Sabathia opted out. Who knows how the thing would be structured, but there's plenty of reason why Albert could be seen as a strong opt out candidate in three years. It gives his agent another chance to negotiate a big contract, which he is going to pressure for. The only real risk is if Albert suffers a severe injury the year before the opt out, or if he falls off a cliff. But if they end up paying him something like $80m in the first 3 years of a theoretical 10/220 deal, and he holds steady, all he's looking for is 7/140. So you risk $220m to sign a true franchise guy to sell in the first year of a new stadium with another chance to contend, and you potentially only end up spending $80m while rebuilding your brand.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

What are the chances a team is going to pay him more when he is 35? None, I'm thinking.

 

ARod opted out, Sabathia opted out.

 

I don't believe either of them had seven years left on their deal at the time.

[Old Style]

Have we made an offer for Pujols? That's what a co-worker just e-mailed to me. Quickly scanned the last few pages but didn't see anything.

[jersey cubs fan]

What are the chances a team is going to pay him more when he is 35? None, I'm thinking.

 

ARod opted out, Sabathia opted out.

 

I don't believe either of them had seven years left on their deal at the time.

 

The amount of time remaining doesn't really matter, what matters is what you could conceivably get as a free agent. If he stays where he should production wise for the next three years there's plenty of reason to think he could sign a bigger than what will remain on his contract. The Yankees, probably won't have the same glut of 1B/DH. Boston will be in a different situation, the LAD and NYM ownership situations probably won't be a horrible mess. There might not be another great 1B on the market to compete with that limited demand. There won't be the perception that his hometown team was going to get him no matter what. The economy should be better. It's a pretty nice carrot to hang out there, and the risk to the team is very little. Florida isn't going to feel pressured to renegotiate, so all they risk is the money they guaranteed him in the first place.

[BeerHere]

Have we made an offer for Pujols? That's what a co-worker just e-mailed to me. Quickly scanned the last few pages but didn't see anything.

Yes. Less years but higher $$ (per year). Looks like the Marlins may be on the verge of signing him after allegedly agreeing to a NTC.

Edited December 6, 2011 by BeerHere

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Have we made an offer for Pujols? That's what a co-worker just e-mailed to me. Quickly scanned the last few pages but didn't see anything.

 

Reportedly, yes. It doesn't appear to be a serious one.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

The amount of time remaining doesn't really matter, what matters is what you could conceivably get as a free agent. If he stays where he should production wise for the next three years there's plenty of reason to think he could sign a bigger than what will remain on his contract.

 

Really, really doubt it.

 

And more to the point, if he'll be worth that much then, then the Marlins won't want him to opt out. Again, they take all the risk and get none of the upside with an opt-out.

[BeerHere]

Have we made an offer for Pujols? That's what a co-worker just e-mailed to me. Quickly scanned the last few pages but didn't see anything.

 

Reportedly, yes. It doesn't appear to be a serious one.

I would say that the offer was simply to drive up the price. If that is indeed the strategy I completely agree provided that they're also working Fielder on a more serious offer. Though driving up the price for Pujols would also seem to drive up the price for Fielder.

[davell]

Quick thought: if the Marlins do sign Pujols, they're out of the race for any significant pitchers. Seems like the Cubs could try to coerce them to overpay for Garza, assuming their system could.

Marlins system kind of sucks. A package from them would more likely start with Morrison. Not sure whether Nolasco makes sense for us, but I'm sure they'd try sending him. Personally, I think Z becomes much more of an option for them, if they do get Pujols. We'd eat most of the contract probably, he's buddies with Ozzie, and maybe they'd send us Matt Dominguez in return.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I would say that the offer was simply to drive up the price. If that is indeed the strategy I completely agree provided that they're also working Fielder on a more serious offer. Though driving up the price for Pujols would also seem to drive up the price for Fielder.

 

I've seen a lot of people say that, and it annoys me, because it only works if you assume the Cardinals and Marlins are too stupid to see through something that every fan is speculating.

[ctcf]

So the Jays GM is being quoted a ton on twitter about how he thinks they're out on Fielder because they won't go more than 5. That could and likely is just posturing but it could also mean someone else is offering 6-7. I can't think of anyone but the Cubs that would actually be doing that. Can the Mariners really go that high?