Pujols signs with Angels pg 151

[Guest]

I seriously wonder how much of any of Castro's potential defensive improvement might be mitigated next year by far fewer of his bad throws being saved by going from a great fielding 1B to a bad one.

 

But then, dwar numbers don't have Pena grading out all that great...so, I don't know.

[davearm2]

when Teixeira hit FA, he was 28 and had averaged 35 batting runs for his previous 5 years

when Fielder hit FA, he was 27 and had averaged 43.4 batting runs for his previous 5 years

 

you're signing a much better hitter with Prince than you did with Teixeira

I'm considering defense and baserunning too.

[davearm2]

That's what dave does; tries to boil everything down to only two choices. Tex's contract either sucks or it doesn't. There's absolutely no other answer to him.

???

 

That's a true or false question. There are only two choices, by definition.

[Guest]

That's what dave does; tries to boil everything down to only two choices. Tex's contract either sucks or it doesn't. There's absolutely no other answer to him.

???

 

That's a true or false question. There are only two choices, by definition.

Actually, the amount of benefit the Yankees receive from his contract would lie on a continuum. It not a suck vs great decision

[Sammy Sofa]

That's what dave does; tries to boil everything down to only two choices. Tex's contract either sucks or it doesn't. There's absolutely no other answer to him.

???

 

That's a true or false question. There are only two choices, by definition.

Actually, the amount of benefit the Yankees receive from his contract would lie on a continuum. It not a suck vs great decision

 

Exactly. And that's been the part of the Cubs and big contracts argument all along that dave just dismisses and either just willfully ignores or is simply just flat out opposed to.

[Guest]

Hollandsworth's mug posted this in Cubs Discussions but I thought it belonged here....

 

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/page/rumblings111110/exploring-market-free-agents-albert-pujols-prince-fielder

 

In Albert's case, this was a landslide. All but one of the execs we polled predicted this guy won't even have to bother forwarding his mail -- because he's not going anywhere (except back to St. Louis). But the AL exec who disagreed (and picked the Cubs) made a case worthy of serious reflection.

"I've always had a feeling," he said, "that the people in St. Louis were putting up a front, that, 'We really, really want him back,' but down deep, they wouldn't mind covering their tracks by saying, in the end, that, 'The price just got so high, we couldn't compete.'

 

"If they were always going to do whatever it took to sign him, I don't think they would have done the [Matt] Holliday deal at the level they did it, or some of these other deals they've done. I think they've been positioning themselves to move on. It just seems to me that if they were always willing to step up and do whatever it took, they already would have stepped up and done it."

 

Hmmm. Makes you think. Doesn't it? He just might be right that if there's any other team willing to go eight to 10 years, at $28 to 30 million, the Cardinals might very well wave sayonara. But it's too early in the game to know if those teams are out there, only that the buzz in the industry is that the Cubs, Marlins and Rangers are gearing up to make a run at this man.

[SouthSideRyan]

But I thought they wanted to build from within?

 

[expletive] Jim Hendry all over again.

[UMFan83]

Can he set up Marmol?

[treebird]

But I thought they wanted to build from within?

 

[expletive] Jim Hendry all over again.

 

we've been signing the best free agents every year forever now, when will we learn that it doesn't work

[Guest]

How long until he's criticized for not running out his ground balls? He's as bad as anyone in baseball about that.

[Guest]

If we can get Pujols at 7 years or less, I'd be ecstatic. $30M AAV is fine. I just don't want those extra 3 39, 40, and 41 seasons.

[davell]

I'm pretty sure the same article said execs feel Fielder will get 7 years at 22 or 23 per. Even said NL teams may not go longer than 5 years on him. Personally, if this is true and I could definitively sign Fielder at 7 for 161 mill, I'd jump on it, even before Pujols is off the board.

[Hollandsworths mug]

Obviously I would be fine with either of them. The way this off season has gone thus far, you'd have to think Ricketts is far from done and landing one of these two will put the cherry on top.

[Hollandsworths mug]

How long until he's criticized for not running out his ground balls? He's as bad as anyone in baseball about that.

 

Superstar treatment mulligan.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Still say Pujols is a pipe dream and Fielder's a far more realistic target. We can dream though, can't we?

[Little Slide Rooter]

Can he set up Marmol?

 

I'm not following. Are you suggesting that that's a problem area, because assuming that Marmol can rebound, the pen would be the one part of this team that would be good to go if the season were to start today.

[Guest]

Still say Pujols is a pipe dream and Fielder's a far more realistic target. We can dream though, can't we?

 

 

You should make the Pujols to the Cardinals bet on Bodog then. 2-1. Easy money.

[Guest]

Can he set up Marmol?

 

I'm not following. Are you suggesting that that's a problem area, because assuming that Marmol can rebound, the pen would be the one part of this team that would be good to go if the season were to start today.

 

 

Even without Marmol rebounding, the pen is good to go.

[Guest]

Can he set up Marmol?

 

I'm not following. Are you suggesting that that's a problem area, because assuming that Marmol can rebound, the pen would be the one part of this team that would be good to go if the season were to start today.

 

 

Even without Marmol rebounding, the pen is good to go.

Unless Cashner goes to Iowa to stretch out and Samardzija converts to starter.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Can he set up Marmol?

 

I'm not following. Are you suggesting that that's a problem area, because assuming that Marmol can rebound, the pen would be the one part of this team that would be good to go if the season were to start today.

 

 

Even without Marmol rebounding, the pen is good to go.

Unless Cashner goes to Iowa to stretch out and Samardzija converts to starter.

 

Even then, there's Marmol, Marshall, Carpenter, and Russell. Potentially Beliveau and Dolis and Wood if we want him. Angel Guzman may also still exist but the I've yet to hear it confirmed nor denied.

[Guest]

Can he set up Marmol?

 

I'm not following. Are you suggesting that that's a problem area, because assuming that Marmol can rebound, the pen would be the one part of this team that would be good to go if the season were to start today.

 

 

Even without Marmol rebounding, the pen is good to go.

Unless Cashner goes to Iowa to stretch out and Samardzija converts to starter.

 

Even then, there's Marmol, Marshall, Carpenter, and Russell. Potentially Beliveau and Dolis and Wood if we want him. Angel Guzman may also still exist but the I've yet to hear it confirmed nor denied.

It's really hard to count on Carpenter being past his command issues, though it would be wonderful if he were. While I agree that we've got plenty of live arms for the pen, I'm not sure if it's in great shape without one of Shark / Cash.

[Guest]

Does anyone think, knowing how close of a source Kenney supposedly is for Kaplan, that Kaplan was acting on something more than blind hope with that Pujols jersey?

 

 

Not saying he knows they're going to sign him or anything like that...but that he might have been tipped off a while back that they are planning to make a major run at him.

[treebird]

Does anyone think, knowing how close of a source Kenney supposedly is for Kaplan, that Kaplan was acting on something more than blind hope with that Pujols jersey?

 

 

Not saying he knows they're going to sign him or anything like that...but that he might have been tipped off a while back that they are planning to make a major run at him.

 

yes, the cubs are going to sign pujols because crane kenney wants to and made the decision to do so before the cubs even talked to epstein

Edited November 10, 2011 by treebird

[SouthSideRyan]

Does anyone think, knowing how close of a source Kenney supposedly is for Kaplan, that Kaplan was acting on something more than blind hope with that Pujols jersey?

 

 

Not saying he knows they're going to sign him or anything like that...but that he might have been tipped off a while back that they are planning to make a major run at him.

 

He was tipped off that the Cubs were going to fire Jim Hendry replace him with Theo Epstein/Jed Hoyer and they would decide to pursue Pujols?

[Guest]

A major signing like Pujols is a franchise altering decision and could be something Ricketts has had his sights on all along. It does more than just improve the team on the field.

 

It's also not as though it's some tough decision that only Theo/Hoyer would be able to make. If Ricketts is ok with allocating the money, I don't see why they wouldn't pursue it. It's the type of thing where if it's ok'd by the guy writing the checks, of course you do it.

Edited November 10, 2011 by David