Bears game 11: Sunday, Nov 28 vs PHI on FOX

[UMFan83]

Yeah for the Bears to have a chace to win, they're gonna have to keep the Eagles under 24 points.

 

Gonna be an interesting matchup of contrasts. Our units somewhat match up evenly with each other.

 

Scoring rankings

 

Bears offense: 25th

Bears defense: T-1st (GB)

 

Eagles offense: 2nd

Eagles defense: 20th

[rawaction]

If there was any team as a Bears fan you wanted to see the Eagles face a week before coming to Chicago, it's the Giants. Fewell was offered the Bears DC position. He runs a very similar style defense. The Bears need to take what the Giants did and take a step forward with it.

 

The Giants were able to get some hits on Vick, and keep his run game contained. They were able to bring the blitz and force him to throw quick and hot. They were able to keep contain with the front 4 and force Vick to his right when he left the pocket.

 

The Bears DL compares decently to the Giants DL, though the Giants are deeper. Tuck was great last night, and Peppers is a better player. The Bears LBs are better than the Eagles LBs. The key will be the safeties. The Giants DBs overall are better, but the safeties have to keep everything in front of them and come up and make tackles on the short passes.

[rawaction]

Damn I didn't know McCoy was that good until I looked at his stats.

 

This game is going to won or lost by our offense. The defense is going to give up it's share of points so it will be up to Cutler & company to answer. The positive from last night's game is that the Giants had 5 turnovers compared to the Eagles 2 and were still in the game up until the end.

 

Needless to say we can't turn the ball over much if at all in order to win this game.

 

I think it's on the defense because I don't see the offense winning a shootout. They've scored 27 only twice. Philly has done so 6 times. Philly's defense has given up some points in shootouts, but they are a top ten defense for yardage, tough against the pass and run. I can't see this Bears offense scoring 28 points against them.

 

Agreed. I think Asante Samuel is off limits this game. Whoever he's covering, doesn't get a pass to him. Samuel is a better version of DeAngelo Hall. Great at jumping routes and baiting QBs to make ill-advised throws. Throw in the Eagles exotic blitzes, and the Bears O will have some trouble.

 

The Eagles can be beaten on defense, though I don't know if the Bears have the firepower to do so consistently enough for 24+ points. If the Bears are going to win, it's going to be because the defense and special teams.

[JonJayCutler]

Basically I meant the offense is going to have to score some points this week because we're not getting a shutout or anything close. I didn't say we'd have to score 27, but why can't we? The Eagles defense isn't elite and we're at home. Anyway, I think 21 points gets it done. Remember we have yet to allow more than 23 points this year on defense, although that could certainly change this weekend.

[jersey cubs fan]

Basically I meant the offense is going to have to score some points this week because we're not getting a shutout or anything close. I didn't say we'd have to score 27, but why can't we? The Eagles defense isn't elite and we're at home. Anyway, I think 21 points gets it done. Remember we have yet to allow more than 23 points this year on defense, although that could certainly change this weekend.

 

Again, the Bears have scored 27 only twice this year, and they've faced some crappy defenses. Philly is top ten overall and against the pass, and top half against run. Chicago's offense has not come close to clicking in a fashion that would make me think they can score 27 this game.

 

Obviously they aren't pitching another shuout. But that's like saying the defense is going to have to show up because I don't think the offense will score 50 this week.

[JonJayCutler]

Basically I meant the offense is going to have to score some points this week because we're not getting a shutout or anything close. I didn't say we'd have to score 27, but why can't we? The Eagles defense isn't elite and we're at home. Anyway, I think 21 points gets it done. Remember we have yet to allow more than 23 points this year on defense, although that could certainly change this weekend.

 

Again, the Bears have scored 27 only twice this year, and they've faced some crappy defenses. Philly is top ten overall and against the pass, and top half against run. Chicago's offense has not come close to clicking in a fashion that would make me think they can score 27 this game.

 

Obviously they aren't pitching another shuout. But that's like saying the defense is going to have to show up because I don't think the offense will score 50 this week.

 

And again, I did not say we had to score 27 points to win this game.

[SpongeWorthy]

Giants did a decent job but Vick simply missed several throws that he had been hitting all season.

[jersey cubs fan]

Basically I meant the offense is going to have to score some points this week because we're not getting a shutout or anything close. I didn't say we'd have to score 27, but why can't we? The Eagles defense isn't elite and we're at home. Anyway, I think 21 points gets it done. Remember we have yet to allow more than 23 points this year on defense, although that could certainly change this weekend.

 

Again, the Bears have scored 27 only twice this year, and they've faced some crappy defenses. Philly is top ten overall and against the pass, and top half against run. Chicago's offense has not come close to clicking in a fashion that would make me think they can score 27 this game.

 

Obviously they aren't pitching another shuout. But that's like saying the defense is going to have to show up because I don't think the offense will score 50 this week.

 

And again, I did not say we had to score 27 points to win this game.

 

Well what the hell are you saying when you say the game will be won or lost by the offense. Saying a game will be won or lost by the offense implies that you will have to score a lot of points. Saying 21 will do it doesn't really match up with the idea that the offense will have to win the game. If 21 wins it, then giving up 20 is permissible, in which case they will have held Philly to its lowest point total in any game that Vick has started and finished. I'm not sure what you are saying.

 

I do think the offense can lose this game. If Cutler and the boys crap the bed it could get ugly early much like the Giants game. But I don't see the offense winning it. I think they will either suck or be decent, but they won't score a lot. The defense is going to decide the game as long as the offense doesn't crap the bed. The defense needs to hold the Philly offense in check much better than anybody else has all year.

[rawaction]

Giants did a decent job but Vick simply missed several throws that he had been hitting all season.

 

They blitzed him though, and hit him hard a bunch of times. He did miss some throws, but I think they got into his head a little bit and forced him to make hot reads and get rid of the ball quickly. Those rushed throws are the ones he missed.

[SpongeWorthy]

There were also times where he was playing patty cake back there and airmailed his midget receivers.

[jersey cubs fan]

There were also times where he was playing patty cake back there and airmailed his midget receivers.

 

That's been a big problem with him in the past.

[JonJayCutler]

Well what the hell are you saying when you say the game will be won or lost by the offense. Saying a game will be won or lost by the offense implies that you will have to score a lot of points. Saying 21 will do it doesn't really match up with the idea that the offense will have to win the game. If 21 wins it, then giving up 20 is permissible, in which case they will have held Philly to its lowest point total in any game that Vick has started and finished. I'm not sure what you are saying.

 

Their ability to limit turnovers, keep the defense off the field and the ball out of Vick's hands as long as possible. I did say they'll have to score points but I don't think it will necessarily need to be 27. If the offense can't stay on the field it's only a matter of time before Vick has his way with our defense.

[jersey cubs fan]

Well what the hell are you saying when you say the game will be won or lost by the offense. Saying a game will be won or lost by the offense implies that you will have to score a lot of points. Saying 21 will do it doesn't really match up with the idea that the offense will have to win the game. If 21 wins it, then giving up 20 is permissible, in which case they will have held Philly to its lowest point total in any game that Vick has started and finished. I'm not sure what you are saying.

 

Their ability to limit turnovers, keep the defense off the field and the ball out of Vick's hands as long as possible. I did say they'll have to score points but I don't think it will necessarily need to be 27. If the offense can't stay on the field it's only a matter of time before Vick has his way with our defense.

 

Okay, well then I guess we agree that the offense can lose it, but you aren't describing the offense winning the game. In that scenario, the defense will still have to do the heavy lifting.

[Soul]

There were also times where he was playing patty cake back there and airmailed his midget receivers.

 

That's been a big problem with him in the past.

 

Maybe he's ready to regress for us :)

 

That would be nice! :good:

[jersey cubs fan]

The site that I saw Philly -3 but currently off is now saying Philly -3.5. I wouldn't feel comfortable putting money on the Bears here until it went to 5.5.

[jersey cubs fan]

Any chance Childress becomes Bears OC sometime in the next 2 years?

[Magnetic Curses]

the little receivers are a bad matchup for us. they tend to slip into the cracks in the zone. vick has generally not been a quarterback that can hit those spots. though, this year he has been different.

 

he'll cause as many problems for us as he caused for the giants. we probably won't win. but who knows, this offense has been doing it with smoke and mirrors and the defense has been great as long as briggs plays.

[UMFan83]

Any chance Childress becomes Bears OC sometime in the next 2 years?

 

Mccarthy for OC, Childress for Special teams.

 

Lovie can be Defensive backs coach when he gets canned.

[minnesotacubsfan]

you guys are scaring the hell out of me

[jersey cubs fan]

you guys are scaring the hell out of me

 

What do you mean by that?

[minnesotacubsfan]

Childress and Lovie on the same coaching staff

[ELCABALLO45]

How has NE not been impressive?

 

They are 8-2 this year and have beaten Miami, Baltimore, San Diego, Pittsburgh and Indianapolis this year. GB does have the best point differential in the league, but I guess I just don't credit them to destroying a teams that have given up. Kudos to them for playing well and not taking their foot off the pedal but the last 2 weeks they've destroyed 2 teams with a combined record of 6-14 by 66 points.

 

Don't get me wrong it certainly is impressive to beat an NFL team by that margin, but based on the teams played it isn't enought propell them over a team like NE at this point. Or Atlanta.

 

Well the Packers did shut out the Jets in New York as well :)

[UMFan83]

How has NE not been impressive?

 

They are 8-2 this year and have beaten Miami, Baltimore, San Diego, Pittsburgh and Indianapolis this year. GB does have the best point differential in the league, but I guess I just don't credit them to destroying a teams that have given up. Kudos to them for playing well and not taking their foot off the pedal but the last 2 weeks they've destroyed 2 teams with a combined record of 6-14 by 66 points.

 

Don't get me wrong it certainly is impressive to beat an NFL team by that margin, but based on the teams played it isn't enought propell them over a team like NE at this point. Or Atlanta.

 

Well the Packers did shut out the Jets in New York as well :)

 

I'm aware of that. I'm talking about how their league leading point differential is built up over the last 2 weeks by playing teams that essentially have given up. Not saying the Packers aren't good. Not saying the Vikings weren't at a similar spot when they played the Bears the week prior. The Packers are a great team. I don't think they have the resume to be the number 1 team in people's power rankings.

[UMFan83]

I keep thinking about how big these 2 games are. Actually how big this game is in particular to set up the rest of our season.

 

If we can win this game, we are 8-3 with the worst team left on our schedule coming up. By no means is Detroit a gimme, although it seems like several close losses have killed their spirit a bit. But its a game that we should win if we are a playoff team. And if we beat Philly, theres no reason to turn around and lose to Detroit.

 

I honestly think this team can beat Philly. And I am pretty sure that we will at the very minimum have a very close game on our hands. We haven't been blown out against anyone this year and with how good the defense is playing, I can't see even a good offensive team like Philly blowing us out.

[rawaction]

There are only three 8-2 teams. Packers beat the Jets in NY....who beat the Pats. None of them have played Atlanta yet. The team of the moment is the Eagles who the Packers beat in Philly, though that was pre-Vick taking over.

 

Since the horrible loss at home vs. Miami (where they had major injury issues), they've won 4 straight, giving up an average of 3 points in the last 3. Granted Dallas and Minnesota probably quit, but neither game was anywhere near being in doubt (76-10 combined score). And you still have the impressive shutout in NY to give those wins merit.

 

Maybe Atlanta should be #1, but Green Bay has just as good an argument as anyone.