College Football - Week 7 (Oct. 16th)

[SpongeWorthy]

Alabama would smash Missouri.

[shnsajax]

After looking over OU's non-conference schedule, I'll retract my statement that they aren't No. 1.

 

as someone who watched those games, let's just say that if OU is No. 1, it's more of a down year in college football than we thought.

 

I mean, I get the argument and I see why they're No. 1 at this point, but the odds of it lasting are next to 0

Yea, I think OU gets beat sometime this season too.

 

i mean, at osu, at missouri, at texas a&M? this team is way too stupid to win all 3 of those on the road

 

OU will have more trouble with Baylor than A&M this season.

[imb]

After looking over OU's non-conference schedule, I'll retract my statement that they aren't No. 1.

 

as someone who watched those games, let's just say that if OU is No. 1, it's more of a down year in college football than we thought.

 

I mean, I get the argument and I see why they're No. 1 at this point, but the odds of it lasting are next to 0

Yea, I think OU gets beat sometime this season too.

 

i mean, at osu, at missouri, at texas a&M? this team is way too stupid to win all 3 of those on the road

 

OU will have more trouble with Baylor than A&M this season.

 

i believe it, we just always play like dogshit at college station and i'm inclined to just expect a loss there unless it doesn't happen because torrance marshall inexplicably runs one back.

[Guest]

Alabama would smash Missouri.

 

That's not what I was getting at. Last month everyone was talking about the gauntlet that Alabama would have to go through. Now it comes out that it was a bunch of teams that are back end of the Top 25, if that. They played PSU at #18, Arkansas at #10, Florida at #7, and South Carolina at 19. Now those teams are NR (no votes), 21, NR (no votes), and 19/20. Not enough people stop to reconsider that.

[SpongeWorthy]

Is Mizzou's SOS really rated the same as Alabama's?

 

The computers have their place (esp. at the end of the season) but if my life depended on going through a slate of games undefeated...I'd definitely take Mizzou's schedule over Alabama's.

[OleMissCub]

Alabama would smash Missouri.

 

That's not what I was getting at. Last month everyone was talking about the gauntlet that Alabama would have to go through. Now it comes out that it was a bunch of teams that are back end of the Top 25, if that. They played PSU at #18, Arkansas at #10, Florida at #7, and South Carolina at 19. Now those teams are NR (no votes), 21, NR (no votes), and 19/20. Not enough people stop to reconsider that.

 

and if a couple plays/calls had gone against them last night, they would have lost to a crappy Ole Miss team in Tuscaloosa. Bama isn't that great this year.

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Alabama would smash Missouri.

 

That's not what I was getting at. Last month everyone was talking about the gauntlet that Alabama would have to go through. Now it comes out that it was a bunch of teams that are back end of the Top 25, if that. They played PSU at #18, Arkansas at #10, Florida at #7, and South Carolina at 19. Now those teams are NR (no votes), 21, NR (no votes), and 19/20. Not enough people stop to reconsider that.

 

No doubt those teams were overrated. But all NR (no votes) teams aren't created equal. Would you rather play PSU, Arkansas, Florida and South Carolina or McNeese St, Miami OH, and SDSt? Those unranked teams on Bama's schedule are closer to the the top 25 than the teams on Missouri's schedule.

[CubColtPacer]

Alabama would smash Missouri.

 

That's not what I was getting at. Last month everyone was talking about the gauntlet that Alabama would have to go through. Now it comes out that it was a bunch of teams that are back end of the Top 25, if that. They played PSU at #18, Arkansas at #10, Florida at #7, and South Carolina at 19. Now those teams are NR (no votes), 21, NR (no votes), and 19/20. Not enough people stop to reconsider that.

 

No doubt those teams were overrated. But all NR (no votes) teams aren't created equal. Would you rather play PSU, Arkansas, Florida and South Carolina or McNeese St, Miami OH, and SDSt? Those unranked teams on Bama's schedule are closer to the the top 25 than the teams on Missouri's schedule.

 

Comparing the two by the Sagarin ELO chess ratings:

 

Alabama's schedule:

South Carolina-29th

Arkansas-31st

Florida-47th

Penn State-60th

Mississippi-76th

San Jose State-121st

Duke-166th

 

Missouri's schedule:

Illinois-30th

San Diego State-40th

Colorado-45th

Texas A&M-51st

Miami-Ohio-78th

McNeese State-131st

 

Maybe the teams on Alabama's schedule are closer to the top 25 but that's mostly on reputation. Florida and Penn State have done nothing this year. Arkansas has had one close win against Texas A&M and their next best win was against a bad Georgia team. South Carolina has a win against Alabama and their next best win is against Southern Miss. And Alabama has played 3 really poor teams so far while Missouri has only played 2.

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Alabama would smash Missouri.

 

That's not what I was getting at. Last month everyone was talking about the gauntlet that Alabama would have to go through. Now it comes out that it was a bunch of teams that are back end of the Top 25, if that. They played PSU at #18, Arkansas at #10, Florida at #7, and South Carolina at 19. Now those teams are NR (no votes), 21, NR (no votes), and 19/20. Not enough people stop to reconsider that.

 

No doubt those teams were overrated. But all NR (no votes) teams aren't created equal. Would you rather play PSU, Arkansas, Florida and South Carolina or McNeese St, Miami OH, and SDSt? Those unranked teams on Bama's schedule are closer to the the top 25 than the teams on Missouri's schedule.

 

Comparing the two by the Sagarin ELO chess ratings:

 

Alabama's schedule:

South Carolina-29th

Arkansas-31st

Florida-47th

Penn State-60th

Mississippi-76th

San Jose State-121st

Duke-166th

 

Missouri's schedule:

Illinois-30th

San Diego State-40th

Colorado-45th

Texas A&M-51st

Miami-Ohio-78th

McNeese State-131st

 

Maybe the teams on Alabama's schedule are closer to the top 25 but that's mostly on reputation. Florida and Penn State have done nothing this year. Arkansas has had one close win against Texas A&M and their next best win was against a bad Georgia team. South Carolina has a win against Alabama and their next best win is against Southern Miss. And Alabama has played 3 really poor teams so far while Missouri has only played 2.

 

How do we know Missouri has only played 2 really poor teams? Illinois has only beaten PSU (who you acknowledge has done nothing) and Northern and Southern Illinois. They've lost to every decent team they've played. Same for Texas A&M.

[dew1679666265]

and if a couple plays/calls had gone against them last night, they would have lost to a crappy Ole Miss team in Tuscaloosa. Bama isn't that great this year.

 

Alabama's a really good team this year (comparatively to the rest of college football, which is down overall) but having McElroy at QB keeps them from blowing many teams out. If they can't run at will on a team, the game will be close because they can't pass effectively consistently.

[CubColtPacer]

Alabama would smash Missouri.

 

That's not what I was getting at. Last month everyone was talking about the gauntlet that Alabama would have to go through. Now it comes out that it was a bunch of teams that are back end of the Top 25, if that. They played PSU at #18, Arkansas at #10, Florida at #7, and South Carolina at 19. Now those teams are NR (no votes), 21, NR (no votes), and 19/20. Not enough people stop to reconsider that.

 

No doubt those teams were overrated. But all NR (no votes) teams aren't created equal. Would you rather play PSU, Arkansas, Florida and South Carolina or McNeese St, Miami OH, and SDSt? Those unranked teams on Bama's schedule are closer to the the top 25 than the teams on Missouri's schedule.

 

Comparing the two by the Sagarin ELO chess ratings:

 

Alabama's schedule:

South Carolina-29th

Arkansas-31st

Florida-47th

Penn State-60th

Mississippi-76th

San Jose State-121st

Duke-166th

 

Missouri's schedule:

Illinois-30th

San Diego State-40th

Colorado-45th

Texas A&M-51st

Miami-Ohio-78th

McNeese State-131st

 

Maybe the teams on Alabama's schedule are closer to the top 25 but that's mostly on reputation. Florida and Penn State have done nothing this year. Arkansas has had one close win against Texas A&M and their next best win was against a bad Georgia team. South Carolina has a win against Alabama and their next best win is against Southern Miss. And Alabama has played 3 really poor teams so far while Missouri has only played 2.

 

How do we know Missouri has only played 2 really poor teams? Illinois has only beaten PSU (who you acknowledge has done nothing) and Northern and Southern Illinois. They've lost to every decent team they've played. Same for Texas A&M.

 

That's the definition of a mediocre team there...they've beaten up on the poor teams and lost all their games against good teams. Texas A&M and Penn State both fall into this. Colorado and Florida have 3 losses but also have 1 win over a decent team (Colorado over Hawaii, Florida over Kentucky).

 

Illinois and Arkansas have wins over one mediocre team and only 2 losses which puts them a cut above those 4 teams mentioned above.

 

I included Mississippi and Miami-Ohio in the poor teams, but you could easily exclude them both and say that Alabama's played 2 poor teams and Missouri has played 1.

[OleMissCub]

I included Mississippi

 

Ole Miss

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That's the definition of a mediocre team there...they've beaten up on the poor teams and lost all their games against good teams. Texas A&M and Penn State both fall into this. Colorado and Florida have 3 losses but also have 1 win over a decent team (Colorado over Hawaii, Florida over Kentucky).

 

Illinois and Arkansas have wins over one mediocre team and only 2 losses which puts them a cut above those 4 teams mentioned above.

 

I included Mississippi and Miami-Ohio in the poor teams, but you could easily exclude them both and say that Alabama's played 2 poor teams and Missouri has played 1.

 

why is saragin the only ranking that matters? Illinois is not the 30th best team in the country and SDSt isn't 40th.

[Banedon]

I included Mississippi

 

Ole Miss

 

The Pedobears

 

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2010/10/14/PH2010101403199.jpg

[CubColtPacer]

That's the definition of a mediocre team there...they've beaten up on the poor teams and lost all their games against good teams. Texas A&M and Penn State both fall into this. Colorado and Florida have 3 losses but also have 1 win over a decent team (Colorado over Hawaii, Florida over Kentucky).

 

Illinois and Arkansas have wins over one mediocre team and only 2 losses which puts them a cut above those 4 teams mentioned above.

 

I included Mississippi and Miami-Ohio in the poor teams, but you could easily exclude them both and say that Alabama's played 2 poor teams and Missouri has played 1.

 

why is saragin the only ranking that matters? Illinois is not the 30th best team in the country and SDSt isn't 40th.

 

They're not the only ranking that matters:

 

Colley: Illinois 43rd, San Diego State 44th

Wolfe: Illinois 38th, San Diego State 40th

Massey: Illinois 39th, San Diego State 42nd

Anderson/Hester: Illinois 39th, San Diego State 45th

 

And the computer ranking that functions more like a poll where preseason rankings matter a bunch (Florida is still 8 spots ahead of Missouri in this ranking!)

Illinois 44th, San Diego State 81st

 

The point isn't to say that Illinois is exactly 30th or San Diego State is exactly 40th. The other computer rankings show those two teams as very close around in the 40-45 range. The point is that based on the results this year it is debatable on if Missouri or Alabama's schedule has been harder. Of the 3 computers which post SOS numbers, Colley has Missouri's schedule as stronger, Anderson/Hester has Alabama's as stronger, and Sagarin has it at a dead heat.

 

The schedules are certainly close enough that Missouri as an undefeated team should definitely be ahead of 1 loss Alabama at this point even before the Oklahoma game, and they probably should be ahead of Alabama even if Missouri loses this week and Alabama wins (since Missouri's schedule will certainly be harder than Alabama's this week after Missouri plays Oklahoma and Alabama plays Tennessee). The only way they probably shouldn't be ahead is if they absolutely get embarrassed. But a close loss probably still gives them a better resume than Alabama.

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That's the definition of a mediocre team there...they've beaten up on the poor teams and lost all their games against good teams. Texas A&M and Penn State both fall into this. Colorado and Florida have 3 losses but also have 1 win over a decent team (Colorado over Hawaii, Florida over Kentucky).

 

Illinois and Arkansas have wins over one mediocre team and only 2 losses which puts them a cut above those 4 teams mentioned above.

 

I included Mississippi and Miami-Ohio in the poor teams, but you could easily exclude them both and say that Alabama's played 2 poor teams and Missouri has played 1.

 

why is saragin the only ranking that matters? Illinois is not the 30th best team in the country and SDSt isn't 40th.

 

They're not the only ranking that matters:

 

Colley: Illinois 43rd, San Diego State 44th

Wolfe: Illinois 38th, San Diego State 40th

Massey: Illinois 39th, San Diego State 42nd

Anderson/Hester: Illinois 39th, San Diego State 45th

 

And the computer ranking that functions more like a poll where preseason rankings matter a bunch (Florida is still 8 spots ahead of Missouri in this ranking!)

Illinois 44th, San Diego State 81st

 

The point isn't to say that Illinois is exactly 30th or San Diego State is exactly 40th. The other computer rankings show those two teams as very close around in the 40-45 range. The point is that based on the results this year it is debatable on if Missouri or Alabama's schedule has been harder. Of the 3 computers which post SOS numbers, Colley has Missouri's schedule as stronger, Anderson/Hester has Alabama's as stronger, and Sagarin has it at a dead heat.

 

The schedules are certainly close enough that Missouri as an undefeated team should definitely be ahead of 1 loss Alabama at this point even before the Oklahoma game, and they probably should be ahead of Alabama even if Missouri loses this week and Alabama wins (since Missouri's schedule will certainly be harder than Alabama's this week after Missouri plays Oklahoma and Alabama plays Tennessee). The only way they probably shouldn't be ahead is if they absolutely get embarrassed. But a close loss probably still gives them a better resume than Alabama.

 

I don't agree. Teams that haven't been really good lately aren't going to get the nod over proven teams, esp the defending national champion. That's even more true when the best win the other team has is Illinois. The burden is on Missouri to establish that they're actually good. Beating a bunch of crappy teams and Illinois isn't going to convince a lot of people.

[CubColtPacer]

That's the definition of a mediocre team there...they've beaten up on the poor teams and lost all their games against good teams. Texas A&M and Penn State both fall into this. Colorado and Florida have 3 losses but also have 1 win over a decent team (Colorado over Hawaii, Florida over Kentucky).

 

Illinois and Arkansas have wins over one mediocre team and only 2 losses which puts them a cut above those 4 teams mentioned above.

 

I included Mississippi and Miami-Ohio in the poor teams, but you could easily exclude them both and say that Alabama's played 2 poor teams and Missouri has played 1.

 

why is saragin the only ranking that matters? Illinois is not the 30th best team in the country and SDSt isn't 40th.

 

They're not the only ranking that matters:

 

Colley: Illinois 43rd, San Diego State 44th

Wolfe: Illinois 38th, San Diego State 40th

Massey: Illinois 39th, San Diego State 42nd

Anderson/Hester: Illinois 39th, San Diego State 45th

 

And the computer ranking that functions more like a poll where preseason rankings matter a bunch (Florida is still 8 spots ahead of Missouri in this ranking!)

Illinois 44th, San Diego State 81st

 

The point isn't to say that Illinois is exactly 30th or San Diego State is exactly 40th. The other computer rankings show those two teams as very close around in the 40-45 range. The point is that based on the results this year it is debatable on if Missouri or Alabama's schedule has been harder. Of the 3 computers which post SOS numbers, Colley has Missouri's schedule as stronger, Anderson/Hester has Alabama's as stronger, and Sagarin has it at a dead heat.

 

The schedules are certainly close enough that Missouri as an undefeated team should definitely be ahead of 1 loss Alabama at this point even before the Oklahoma game, and they probably should be ahead of Alabama even if Missouri loses this week and Alabama wins (since Missouri's schedule will certainly be harder than Alabama's this week after Missouri plays Oklahoma and Alabama plays Tennessee). The only way they probably shouldn't be ahead is if they absolutely get embarrassed. But a close loss probably still gives them a better resume than Alabama.

 

I don't agree. Teams that haven't been really good lately aren't going to get the nod over proven teams, esp the defending national champion. That's even more true when the best win the other team has is Illinois. The burden is on Missouri to establish that they're actually good. Beating a bunch of crappy teams and Illinois isn't going to convince a lot of people.

 

Of course that's the way it is. That's also the lazy way out. The burden should be just as much on Alabama as it is on Missouri. It's not even like Alabama has the same team back. Half their starters from last year are gone.

 

I would agree with you that the perceived difficulty is harder for the teams on Alabama's schedule. That doesn't make it reality though.

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That's the definition of a mediocre team there...they've beaten up on the poor teams and lost all their games against good teams. Texas A&M and Penn State both fall into this. Colorado and Florida have 3 losses but also have 1 win over a decent team (Colorado over Hawaii, Florida over Kentucky).

 

Illinois and Arkansas have wins over one mediocre team and only 2 losses which puts them a cut above those 4 teams mentioned above.

 

I included Mississippi and Miami-Ohio in the poor teams, but you could easily exclude them both and say that Alabama's played 2 poor teams and Missouri has played 1.

 

why is saragin the only ranking that matters? Illinois is not the 30th best team in the country and SDSt isn't 40th.

 

They're not the only ranking that matters:

 

Colley: Illinois 43rd, San Diego State 44th

Wolfe: Illinois 38th, San Diego State 40th

Massey: Illinois 39th, San Diego State 42nd

Anderson/Hester: Illinois 39th, San Diego State 45th

 

And the computer ranking that functions more like a poll where preseason rankings matter a bunch (Florida is still 8 spots ahead of Missouri in this ranking!)

Illinois 44th, San Diego State 81st

 

The point isn't to say that Illinois is exactly 30th or San Diego State is exactly 40th. The other computer rankings show those two teams as very close around in the 40-45 range. The point is that based on the results this year it is debatable on if Missouri or Alabama's schedule has been harder. Of the 3 computers which post SOS numbers, Colley has Missouri's schedule as stronger, Anderson/Hester has Alabama's as stronger, and Sagarin has it at a dead heat.

 

The schedules are certainly close enough that Missouri as an undefeated team should definitely be ahead of 1 loss Alabama at this point even before the Oklahoma game, and they probably should be ahead of Alabama even if Missouri loses this week and Alabama wins (since Missouri's schedule will certainly be harder than Alabama's this week after Missouri plays Oklahoma and Alabama plays Tennessee). The only way they probably shouldn't be ahead is if they absolutely get embarrassed. But a close loss probably still gives them a better resume than Alabama.

 

I don't agree. Teams that haven't been really good lately aren't going to get the nod over proven teams, esp the defending national champion. That's even more true when the best win the other team has is Illinois. The burden is on Missouri to establish that they're actually good. Beating a bunch of crappy teams and Illinois isn't going to convince a lot of people.

 

Of course that's the way it is. That's also the lazy way out. The burden should be just as much on Alabama as it is on Missouri. It's not even like Alabama has the same team back. Half their starters from last year are gone.

 

I would agree with you that the perceived difficulty is harder for the teams on Alabama's schedule. That doesn't make it reality though.

 

It's close enough that the defending national champion that beat a team that's been really good lately gets the nod over the recently average and historically non-existent team that's played no one of any significance.

[Outshined_One]

I included Mississippi

 

Ole Miss

 

The Pedobears

 

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2010/10/14/PH2010101403199.jpg

 

No grass on the field?

 

PLAY BALL!

[abuck1220]

damn, now i have to root for missouri to get destroyed this weekend.

[Coach C]

It was pretty illustrative of the mistake Ball State made letting Hoke walk and hiring Stan Parrish that the Cardinals blew a 21-0 lead and lost to the worst team in FBS while Hoke led San Diego State to a win over Air Force, notching a win over a ranked team in just his 2nd year there.

 

Hiring Stan Parrish was probably the worst decision ever made by Ball State. I know it was one of the worst decision made by Kansas State when he was hired. "I'll never use the word rebuild: you'll never hear it here," were some of Parrish's first words when he was introduced as KSU's coach in '85.

 

2-30-1 was his record in Kansas State. His offense was better dubbed "Error Parrish," during his tenture in Manhattan.

[imb]

damn, now i have to root for missouri to get destroyed this weekend.

 

welcome to the team!

[shnsajax]

damn, now i have to root for missouri to get destroyed this weekend.

 

welcome to the team!

 

Have a seat, your agent will be with you shortly.