End of Season FYI

[Guest]

If anyone would like to challenge this particular rule, I'm all ears. I happen to think it's a good policy.

 

First off, the teams that are still competing in the playoffs and the only teams that would need to make a roster move for an injury replacement should have access to anyone that's still a free agent.

 

If my only 1b gets hurt and I need a replacement and James Loney is a free agent, it certainly doesn't seem like it would be fair to me that Adam (whose team is no longer competing) were to pick up James Loney, forcing me to then pick up an even worse scrub than Loney as my replacement. And what if 14 teams in the league all decided to nab a free agent 1b this week, leaving me with a choice of Fred McGriff or Hee Seop Choi as my only remaining replacements.

 

The simple fact that any player you add when your team's season is over will not benefit you this season is why you shouldn't be allowed to add anyone now.

[abuck1220]

so what's the rule? NO team can pick up and keep ANY player once the fantasy regular season is over?

 

The rule is:

 

It is too late to add players to your roster once YOUR team's season is over.

To make it fair, should playoff teams that make moves during the postseason not be allowed to keep any player they pick up during that time?

 

i guess. it would be pretty ridiculous to allow playoff teams an extra month to pluck up guys for their keeper roster while the rest of the teams have their hands tied.

[abuck1220]

i'm assuming you're forwarding all your self-righteous, "integrity of the game," condescending, "i'm so disappointed in you" business al's way since he has tarnished our great league in the same way i have by breaking your unwritten rule.

 

Al will get a light slap on the wrist for making what was surely an honest mistake, since he isn't constantly looking for ways to get advantages over the other teams in the league.

Hell, nothing was given to Adam but a light slap on the wrist, either. It's not like you've taken his first round pick away or something.

 

lol. i'll humbly draft a written apology to everyone in the league (except al, he's a defiant rule breaker like me) if that will please the fantasy gods.

[Guest]

so what's the rule? NO team can pick up and keep ANY player once the fantasy regular season is over?

 

The rule is:

 

It is too late to add players to your roster once YOUR team's season is over.

To make it fair, should playoff teams that make moves during the postseason not be allowed to keep any player they pick up during that time?

 

Absolutely, and I already said so, although I didn't include it in the rule. If you go back earlier in this thread, my two additions (that I recall during the playoffs) were James McDonald and Miguel Olivo. McDonald has already been dropped and said I'd be more than happy to drop Olivo when the season has concluded. Hell, he's not playing for me, either. Perfectly healthy the day I picked him up.

[Guest]

Are you attempting to tell everyone that I picked up Miguel Olivo this week so I can have an extra keeper after the season? I made that move because Soto is out for the year. I'll be happy to drop Olivo when my season concludes.

 

From page 1 of this thread in all of its glory.

[moochpuppy]

If there was something you wanted to do and you didn't see it covered in the rules, wouldn't the first course of action be to simply ask someone? Especially when you see that no one else is picking up players other than playoff active teams?

[abuck1220]

Are you attempting to tell everyone that I picked up Miguel Olivo this week so I can have an extra keeper after the season? I made that move because Soto is out for the year. I'll be happy to drop Olivo when my season concludes.

 

From page 1 of this thread in all of its glory.

 

IN MY FACE

[Guest]

Are you attempting to tell everyone that I picked up Miguel Olivo this week so I can have an extra keeper after the season? I made that move because Soto is out for the year. I'll be happy to drop Olivo when my season concludes.

 

From page 1 of this thread in all of its glory.

 

IN MY FACE

 

Pleasure doing business with ya!

[Guest]

If there was something you wanted to do and you didn't see it covered in the rules, wouldn't the first course of action be to simply ask someone? Especially when you see that no one else is picking up players other than playoff active teams?

To be honest, if there was a move out there that I really wanted to make and it's in a gray area, I'd probably make the move and then ask if it is okay.

[moochpuppy]

If there was something you wanted to do and you didn't see it covered in the rules, wouldn't the first course of action be to simply ask someone? Especially when you see that no one else is picking up players other than playoff active teams?

To be honest, if there was a move out there that I really wanted to make and it's in a gray area, I'd probably make the move and then ask if it is okay.

 

Okay, fair enough....but if you then found out that it was an "unwritten" rule and most everyone else opposed such move would you then reverse it?

[abuck1220]

we get it, i'm an [expletive].

[Guest]

If there was something you wanted to do and you didn't see it covered in the rules, wouldn't the first course of action be to simply ask someone? Especially when you see that no one else is picking up players other than playoff active teams?

To be honest, if there was a move out there that I really wanted to make and it's in a gray area, I'd probably make the move and then ask if it is okay.

 

Okay, fair enough....but if you then found out that it was an "unwritten" rule and most everyone else opposed such move would you then reverse it?

of course. I might argue (politely) for it first, though. :)

[tadowdaddy]

we get it, i'm an [expletive].

 

 

Agreed.

[moochpuppy]

we get it, i'm an [expletive].

 

Is there a new poll?

[Guest]

we get it, i'm an [expletive].

 

Probably not necessary, but it's always nice to remind everyone once in awhile in case someone forgets.

[NCCubFan]

we get it, i'm an [expletive].

Finally something you and the rest of the league agree on. This is truly a red letter day. :D

[abuck1220]

oh, it looks like a junior high girl started another poll about me on the roadkill site. someone must have just gotten their first period and is a little cranky.

 

and i'm the whiny baby.

[Guest]

oh, it looks like a junior high girl started another poll about me on the roadkill site. someone must have just gotten their first period and is a little cranky.

 

and i'm the whiny baby.

 

I don't really approve of emotion filled polls being presented to the league in the manner in which it was. On the other hand, you do nothing to inspire me to want to take it down. At the same time, I have to admit I'm a bit curious how the results of the poll turn out.

[abuck1220]

thank you for the ruling, your honor.

[Quakers]

This is a sad thread :?

 

I have been picking up minor leaguers after the play-offs have started for years. It gave me something to do. Most of the time it amounted to nothing, but I did net Jurrjens one year. This was done with Juan's knowledge. As per usual, I asked him on a post and he OK'd it.

 

But I never added/dropped anyone that may have given an advantage to any play-off team.

 

I do agree with Adam in that play-off teams should not have an advantage over non-play-off teams. But dropping players picked up during the play-offs at season's end seems to solve that concern.

 

I also think that Brian needs to be cut some slack. He was asked to replace Juan mid-season and has done a good job all-in-all. Of course some of his decisions differ from what Juan would decide, so what. I would ask everyone to remember that this is just a fantasy game that a few baseball fanatics play to amuse themselves. We pay $10 or so for CBS to set it up for us. That is all it is. Have fun. I have over the years, despite just one play-off appearance.

 

Adam, while I agree with much of what you have posted in this thread, I think back on how it used to be with you. When you were first in this league, you were nowhere near as "offensive" as you are now. I asked you about it at one time and you said that you decided to be more open and express yourself. IMHO you have that right, but I miss the old Adam. Sometimes your posts make me think of someone who has roadrage. If you want to express yourself as you have over the past few years, then I think you have to expect that you are going to piss a few people off. And it appears you have. Personnally I am all for the right of free speech and I respect your talent in managing a fantasy team (your record speaks for itself), but as I said I miss the old Adam.

 

As for Brian's decision to renege my add/drop, I can live with that. I wish I had known about the rule earlier, but hey its just fantasy baseball. Who knows, maybe Martinez will not turn out to be a dud and Brian saved me from losing a future all-star:)

[Guest]

Hey Al,

 

As always, I appreciate any feedback (positive or negative) regarding my use of authority as commissioner of the league. When I told Juan I would take over TEMPORARILY while he was dealing with whatever crisis was going on with his life, it was never mentioned that it would be permanent. He did come back and say much later that his crisis would require he step down and remove his team. At that time, I opened the door to anyone who might wish to step up and take Juan's job permanently. I certainly didn't ask to be the commissioner, nor did I really want to be the commissioner. However, in the interest of keeping the league together and my ability to be reasonable and fair with rules and policies for every team, I had no problem if people wanted me to continue with the job. My real job requires that I be reasonable and fair on a daily basis and in relation to sports, so not only am I actually really good at it, I also am a bit familiar with dealing with people who aren't happy about a ruling or decision. I also appreciate the kind words in regards to the job I have done so far.

 

If we climb back towards the beginning of this thread, I actually made the comment that considering the two transactions were prior to my rule announcement, I could reasonably allow those two moves. However, Adam just had to make a huge dramatic issue of it and force me to make everyone follow the new rule exactly the same way. If he says nothing, I allow those two transactions. And if I had to remove Adam's player, I have to apply the rule equally across the board for all teams, or I'd have a whole new thing for Adam to be upset about, and rightfully so it would seem.

 

As far as not doing things the way Juan would, you are correct. I will not make the same exact decisions that Juan makes, simply because I'm not Juan. However, I like nearly all the rules and policies that Juan (and basically a huge percentage of the managers, including myself) in this league) applied to this league, and I really don't want to change anything. In regards to Juan allowing you to make a minor league addition based on a previous post, I have to apologize for not recalling these previous posts. It's probably better to just apply it as a rule so that we don't have to continually hunt for old posts.

 

In this case, I'm very willing to discuss just exactly how we want to apply the rule and vote to have it implemented. There are a lot of working parts to this particular rule, which is why I felt it needed to be written. Yes, I implemented it after the playoffs started, but not necessarily realizing that anyone might have made some adds that were affected by this rule.

 

1. The playoff teams still competing should have priority on any free agent that might help their team in the playoffs (major league or minor league). I'm sure everyone can agree with this. There are a lot of free agent minor leaguers that get called up and could potentially play a lot in the final month of a season, making it awkward if every team in the league is filling up their minor league rosters with players that could help a playoff team. If enough managers are fine with removing minor league talent from being available during September call ups for playoff teams only, we can limit it to major league players only that aren't allowed to be picked up.

 

2. Teams adding players when their team's season is over are only doing so to help their team for the following season or offseason (trading). This didn't seem like it was an epidemic in previous years and it didn't seem like it was a problem this year. Going back to when I declared that this was sort of an unwritten rule, maybe the reason that a rule wasn't already written for it was because not many teams were adding once their season was over. I can see it being a potential problem if every team can fill every DL spot and minor league spot on their roster with players that they can then hold onto until February 14th. Especially when teams are still competing. In other words, I could forsee an epidemic on this later if we don't implement a rule now. Especially when we have managers in this very thread admitting that they will look for any loophole possible to get an advantage over others.

 

3. Playoff teams should be required to drop anyone they add during the playoffs to apply these rules equally and fairly to every team. I didn't come up with this one, but happen to agree with it in keeping things fair.

 

4. What other things have we not thought of that might create problems not implementing this rule or actually implementing it. I'm not sure. I welcome other people's thoughts into the discussion.

 

In your case, I've never even heard of the player you picked up. I really hardly know of EY Jr. Each of those moves seem fairly innocent to me when looking at them individually, but the problem becomes allowing these types of moves and what other players it might affect later on if we allow a free-for-all on players when the season is over for some teams, but not for others. If I have 3 DL spots available and my team was eliminated from the playoffs before they started, it doesn't seem fair to me to be able to add 3 DL guys to my roster after my season is now over. Based on some of the feedback I've read in this thread, others would agree with that. I was almost in a quandary during the playoffs with injured players. I almost had to drop an injured player I intend to keep next year in order to field a team in the playoffs. If I dropped Brandon Webb to make room on my injured list to make room for another player that can actually play, it certainly wouldn't be fair that someone whose team is out of the playoffs to now add Brandon simply because two playoff teams are battling it out in the last week. Especially when you take into consideration that many teams that are officially out of the playoffs are no longer checking up on their teams or the transaction wire. Why should they have to. The season is essentially over and no one should be allowed to add at that point.

 

Finally, I removed EY Jr. from Adam's team out of anger. I failed as a commissioner by making a decision based on emotion. It was a reaction to Adam's constant attacks on my integrity. In the interest of fairness to the league, I welcome a vote by all league managers to reinstate the two transactions made prior to my implementation of the playoff rule. Much like the ability in many fantasy leagues to veto or approve of each and every transaction, I believe it is fair to do the same in this one particular instance to decide whether you should be able to keep these players added before the rule was made.

 

Everyone please go to the Roadkill home page a bit later today and I will have a poll posted asking if these players should be replaced. Please consider everything that's been said in regards to this rule and please also do not take into consideration anyone who might have made the transaction. This is only about the rule itself.

 

My apologies for the lengthyness of this post. I tend to overanalyze, but I like to cover everything. I'm not going to be around much for the next week, except for a little bit today and tomorrow. Please vote! Thanks!

[Guest]

A vote of yes would probably generate a whole new problem. The 14 managers who did not add players in that window and are now too late to be in that window should all be able to add a minor leaguer to their roster, provided they don't have more than 10 after the transaction.

 

But, until the vote is finished, I don't see a reason to cross that bridge. :banghead:

[moochpuppy]

At that time, I opened the door to anyone who might wish to step up and take Juan's job permanently. I certainly didn't ask to be the commissioner, nor did I really want to be the commissioner. However, in the interest of keeping the league together and my ability to be reasonable and fair with rules and policies for every team, I had no problem if people wanted me to continue with the job.

 

Thank you for a great season Mr Selig. ;)

[shnsajax]

so what's the rule? NO team can pick up and keep ANY player once the fantasy regular season is over?

 

The rule is:

 

It is too late to add players to your roster once YOUR team's season is over.

To make it fair, should playoff teams that make moves during the postseason not be allowed to keep any player they pick up during that time?

 

This is my issue with it. It needs to be an all or none scenario. Playoff teams should not be allowed to pick up players when everyone else can't.

 

Also to add to that. Players drafted in the same year should not be eligible as FA if they come up to the majors that same year. Wehave a minor league draft for that purpose. But they should not be the subject of waiver wire.

[NCCubFan]

A complicating factor is that I believe Al's move was actually made AFTER you said teams no longer participating can't pick up players, while Adam's move was BEFORE. What I think is the fairest solution for this year is to allow the moves, but open up a reasonable window (maybe two weeks) if anybody else wants to pick up any minor league eligible players (not including 2010 draftees), with the caveat that they need to keep their minor league roster legal at the maximum of 10. Everybody would thus have the same opportunity. Going forward, I suggest modifying the rules to clearly state that, once teams are no longer participating, they can't pick up any players. Teams still participating I think should be allowed to pick up an injury replacement if needed with the understanding that the player must then be dropped after the team is no longer participating in the playoffs (as Brian did with Olivo); that way a playoff team would be able to be competitive in the playoffs without having an unfair advantage for the next year. So my actual vote in the Roadkill poll will be to allow the moves, but with the qualification I stated in this post.