End of Season FYI

[BigbadB]

Lots of new owners this season, so this is a quick reference FYI regarding what happens with your team during the offseason. In a nutshell, nothing is required to happen prior to Valentine's Day. That's been our magic date for the last several years to trim rosters down to 10 players/maximum cap 2000 points (based on 2010 total points earned). However, the earlier you know whether you will have cap room for trades, the better. A lot of teams will be interested in making trades with you. This is the time of the year that you can make subtle changes to your team or completely revamp your roster.

 

Your team can have no more than 10 major leaguers and 10 minor leaguers and the maximum cap of the non exempt players you keep can not add up to more than 2000 points. Be sure you look at their major league point totals rather than the team totals when calculating a players total points earned.

 

Please read up on the exemption rules for players, as it's too lengthy to go into full detail. If you have a question or concern, please ask. Don't assume and don't be bashful if you aren't sure. Just ask. Carefully paring down your roster and maintaining as much strength as possible is one of the keys to winning in keeper leagues.

 

Everyone generally has more points than they can afford to keep at the end of the season. Not just Tim. :) A lot of teams are looking to make trades to shed these players for whatever they can get. If teams have room within the cap, they will be popular with teams attempting to shed cap points. It's always better to get something rather than nothing. In my experience, I tend to do well when I have cap space. I can choose to do business or go with what I'm already happy with. With that said, happy trading once the season has come to a complete finish. Trades can be discussed beforehand, but no trades can be executed before October 4th. You also are not allowed to add players to your roster at this time (unless your team is still competing in playoffs and you need an injury replacement).

 

You can trade major leaguers, minor leaguers and draft picks, but you cannot trade cap points. Thanks for an enjoyable season. If anyone decides they have no intention of keeping their team going into 2011, please let us know sooner rather than later. We want to get a new owner in here well before the Valentine's Day deadline so that they have time to make cap decisions for their team.

 

I will probably start a few threads asking if there are any rule changes or modifications we want to make before the start of next season, so please check in on occasion. We will go with a majority on votes, so check in so you can be heard. We will likely decide on draft dates sometime after Valentine's Day.

[NCCubFan]

You also are not allowed to add players to your roster at this time (unless your team is still competing in playoffs and you need an injury replacement).

Adam (after being eliminated from the playoffs) and Al have both added players since the end of the regular season. I thought that wasn't allowed, which is why I didn't make a move that I otherwise might have. Clarification?

[abuck1220]

i don't know why that wouldn't be allowed. my roster is still legal.

[NCCubFan]

Because the commissioner said that it wasn't allowed.

[Guest]

If your team is no longer competing, there is absolutely no acceptable reason that I can think of for roster additions. When your team is no longer competing, your season is essentially over, thus making you ineligible to add players.

[abuck1220]

that doesn't make any sense. the season is still going on. so if some mlb team brought up a 2010 draftee right now, only the teams competing in the playoffs would be eligible to pick him up?

[NCCubFan]

Whether it makes sense to you or not it is still the stated rule, and therefore you need to follow it the same as anybody else. It would obviously be unfair for you to benefit because you pick and choose whether to follow the rules based on whether they make sense to you while others willingly follow the rules. This is exactly the same attitude you had with the Ben Sheets issue last year. You violated a stated rule, then argued that it didn't make sense, and when the commish agreed with your position it was too late to be fair to others who had followed the stated rules. Everybody needs to be on a level playing field, and that level field is to play by the stated rules, try to get a rule changed if you don't think it makes sense, then make your move AFTER the rule is changed, not before.

[abuck1220]

cool your jets. he stated this rule after i picked up the guy.

 

and it's a [expletive] nonsense rule that allows teams in the playoffs to pick up players to prepare for next season while other teams cannot. i picked up fukudome on the sunday i got eliminated from the playoffs. like 2 days later i picked up ey jr. i guess i should be allowed to keep fukudome and not ey. that is idiotic.

 

and holy [expletive] [expletive], if you bring up [expletive] ben sheets one more time i'm quitting this [expletive] league. he was [expletive] garbage for like two months before his arm fell off. quit acting like i abused a loophole and rode ben sheets' cy young season to a championship this year. my goodness.

[NCCubFan]

The result turned out to be garbage, but that doesn't change the fact that you were abusing (actually trying to create) a loophole at the time. I'm far from the only person that complained about it at the time; the only reason I keep bringing it up is to point out the need to have gray areas clarified ahead of time so everybody's on a level playing field, not after you've made a move that's technically against the rules.

 

Anyway, one point did just occur to me. The players that both you and Al picked up are still minor league eligible, so the question for clarification is whether the prohibition on adding players was intended for both major and minor league rosters or major only. If Brian just meant that you can't add players to your major league roster then your move is OK; he'll need to provide the clarification on that.

[abuck1220]

you're exhausting.

[Guest]

you're exhausting.

 

No Adam, you are the one that is exhausting. Are you attempting to tell everyone that I picked up Miguel Olivo this week so I can have an extra keeper after the season? I made that move because Soto is out for the year. I'll be happy to drop Olivo when my season concludes. Playoff teams are only making changes that might benefit them at the moment, not next year. So quit looking for excuses to justify your roster moves.

 

Most of the teams/managers competing in this league play within the spirit of the rules and don't try to use loopholes or attempt to gain an advantage by adding players when the season is already over.

 

While it is true that I made the announcement after some moves were already made, I was unaware that either you or Al made moves after your seasons had already concluded. I suppose if you really want to push the envelope, I can allow them because I wrote up the rule afterwards, but again, it's not playing within the spirit of the rules. There are 14 other managers that didn't stockpile their minor league roster or fill up their injured lists once the season was over, and there is a reason for that. They have what's called integrity and respect for written and unwritten rules. A perfect example of an unwritten rule would be that it's too late in the season to add players if your team's season is over. That's not even really an unwritten rule, but just common sense.

 

As far as undrafted minor leaguers getting picked up after some team's seasons are already over. I wouldn't allow it.

 

As far as threatening to quit, feel free if your intention is to continue to skirt rules and look for ways to cheat the other teams in the league. I'm sure we can fill your team's spot with or without your most recent roster add on.

 

As far as adding Fukudome while the season was still in effect, technically that is still creating a loophole for yourself if you added him on the last day of the year to fill a roster hole rather than fill a roster spot due to an injury and you needed a player to fill in for that last game while your team was still competing for the title.

 

PLAY WITHIN THE SPIRIT OF THE RULES! I'm speechless that you think it is perfectly acceptable to add someone to your roster because a couple of teams are still battling it out in the playoffs. Actually, no. I'm not speechless. I'm actually not the least bit surprised at all.

[abuck1220]

cool, sounds like i get to keep EY.

[tadowdaddy]

cool, sounds like i get to keep EY.

How about you just quit? You're constantly making moves that you shouldn't make, YES, like the Sheets move last year. If you're not allowed to do so, you bitch and complain more than a 3 year old. You being in this league makes it a lot less fun for others, including myself. How many times in years past has anyone been allowed to pick up a player after their season ended. NEVER. Your act is tiresome.

[abuck1220]

How many times in years past has anyone been allowed to pick up a player after their season ended. NEVER.

 

well, at least once in the last three days, actually.

 

09/25/10 10:56 am ET Quakers Kipnis, Jason 2B CLE - Added

Martinez, Fernando OF NYM - Dropped

Edited September 27, 2010 by abuck1220

[abuck1220]

if the points my players are scoring right now are still counted against my cap, i don't know how you can say my season is "over."

[abuck1220]

by the way, you guys sure wanted to follow the letter of the law when it came to ben sheets. i don't see anyone quoting rules in this situation.

[NCCubFan]

I suppose if you really want to push the envelope, I can allow them because I wrote up the rule afterwards, but again, it's not playing within the spirit of the rules.

Al actually made his move a day after you made your post. However, he hasn't been logged into NSBB since a few days before your post, so he may not have seen it.

 

If the managers don't reverse the moves voluntarily I believe you could use commish powers to reverse them yourself, if you think that's appropriate.

[Guest]

I suppose if you really want to push the envelope, I can allow them because I wrote up the rule afterwards, but again, it's not playing within the spirit of the rules.

Al actually made his move a day after you made your post. However, he hasn't been logged into NSBB since a few days before your post, so he may not have seen it.

 

If the managers don't reverse the moves voluntarily I believe you could use commish powers to reverse them yourself, if you think that's appropriate.

 

I'd rather not have to enforce a rule that way. I'd rather see the owners do what is right. I'd rather get the impression from each owner that they need not be policed this heavily, because we are supposed to be policing ourselves.

[tadowdaddy]

How many times in years past has anyone been allowed to pick up a player after their season ended. NEVER.

 

well, at least once in the last three days, actually.

 

09/25/10 10:56 am ET Quakers Kipnis, Jason 2B CLE - Added

Martinez, Fernando OF NYM - Dropped

 

In prior seasons, not this season. It's NEVER been allowed. Once you're done playing your roster is locked until Feb 14.

[abuck1220]

if we want to talk about preventing the abuse of loopholes that occur after the season is over, let's talk about teams trading players they have no intention of keeping for draft picks. after all, this actually occurs after the season is over, both the fantasy season and the mlb season. that seems like a much bigger deal than me picking up a minor leaguer during the season.

[tadowdaddy]

if we want to talk about preventing the abuse of loopholes that occur after the season is over, let's talk about teams trading players they have no intention of keeping for draft picks. after all, this actually occurs after the season is over, both the fantasy season and the mlb season. that seems like a much bigger deal than me picking up a minor leaguer during the season.

 

 

How so if people are willing to trade for them????? You're really grasping at straws here.

[NCCubFan]

if we want to talk about preventing the abuse of loopholes that occur after the season is over, let's talk about teams trading players they have no intention of keeping for draft picks. after all, this actually occurs after the season is over, both the fantasy season and the mlb season. that seems like a much bigger deal than me picking up a minor leaguer during the season.

I've got a better idea for talking. Let's talk about you stopping your insufferable pouting EVERY DAMN TIME you don't get your way. GROW UP and stop ruining the fun.

[moochpuppy]

if we want to talk about preventing the abuse of loopholes that occur after the season is over, let's talk about teams trading players they have no intention of keeping for draft picks. after all, this actually occurs after the season is over, both the fantasy season and the mlb season. that seems like a much bigger deal than me picking up a minor leaguer during the season.

 

I don't see the correlation here. How is this a loophole? Why couldn't you, or for that matter, wouldn't you improve your team by trading a player you don't want to keep for a pick if there is another team out there that wants that player instead of taking a chance of not getting that player in the draft.

[abuck1220]

and why wouldn't i want to pick up a minor leaguer after my season was over to keep for next year?

 

either the season is over for purposes of roster moves after your fantasy team is out of it or it's not.

[abuck1220]

if we want to talk about preventing the abuse of loopholes that occur after the season is over, let's talk about teams trading players they have no intention of keeping for draft picks. after all, this actually occurs after the season is over, both the fantasy season and the mlb season. that seems like a much bigger deal than me picking up a minor leaguer during the season.

I've got a better idea for talking. Let's talk about you stopping your insufferable pouting EVERY DAMN TIME you don't get your way. GROW UP and stop ruining the fun.

 

i'll give you ben sheets if you stop posting.