Blackhawks 2010-2011 season

[17 Seconds]

Watching a Hawks game on an atdhe.net feed reminds me of last season

[UMFan83]

Of course....2:24 from getting a great regulation win in a tough place to win and Crawford gives up a softie. Let's try to hang on for a guaranteed point at least.

[17 Seconds]

hocks

[UMFan83]

And there's another goal. From 2 points to 0 points in the span of exactly 60 seconds. Wow. 6 goals allowed for Crawford today.

[Butterscup1679666578]

[expletive] this team. [expletive] em.

[Butterscup1679666578]

And there's another goal. From 2 points to 0 points in the span of exactly 60 seconds. Wow. 6 goals allowed for Crawford today.

 

turco started and gave up 4

[Exile on Waveland]

Holy crap. Awful.

[UMFan83]

And there's the empty netter. From 5-4 Hawks to 7-5 Avalanche in the blink of an eye.

 

I hate this team. How many games did we give up 6 non-empty net goals in last year?

[UMFan83]

And there's another goal. From 2 points to 0 points in the span of exactly 60 seconds. Wow. 6 goals allowed for Crawford today.

 

turco started and gave up 4

 

Whoops! My bad

[17 Seconds]

this team isn't making the playoffs

 

what a disgrace

[brinoch]

Horrible play by Seabrook. Just absolutely hideous. He cost the team two goals on breakdowns.

[17 Seconds]

[expletive] this team. [expletive] em.

 

yup. i was already indifferent for the most part, now i'm just done.

 

if they aren't interested, then neither am i.

[Outshined_One]

What the [expletive].

[17 Seconds]

they just don't care. there is no fight, no energy, no hustle, nothing.

 

i know there's going to be the "hangover" and whatever from winning the cup, but this is inexcusable. i don't care how many players they lost, the ones that are still here are giving the effort that i necessary.

 

it's becoming a truly embarrassing "defense" of the stanley cup. it's beginning to feel like we never won it at all.

[UMFan83]

they just don't care. there is no fight, no energy, no hustle, nothing.

 

i know there's going to be the "hangover" and whatever from winning the cup, but this is inexcusable. i don't care how many players they lost, the ones that are still here are giving the effort that i necessary.

 

it's becoming a truly embarrassing "defense" of the stanley cup. it's beginning to feel like we never won it at all.

 

I said this before the season. When young talented players reach the mountain top so early in their careers, its hard to come back with that same drive they had the previous season with their whole careers in front of them. It happened to some degree to Pittsburgh too. The Hawks don't have a big enough veteran presence carried over from last year to keep the young guys focused.

 

This is my belief, but it's obviously really hard to quantify.

[17 Seconds]

the penguins went 47-28-7 after they won the cup

 

i can't believe that the most likely scenario for the hawks is that they are going to miss the playoffs, but it is. my expectations were low this season, but this is just sad.

[UMFan83]

the penguins went 47-28-7 after they won the cup

 

i can't believe that the most likely scenario for the hawks is that they are going to miss the playoffs, but it is. my expectations were low this season, but this is just sad.

 

You are right. I was thinking of the season after they lost to Detroit in the Cup finals. Same idea though. They were 27-25-6 in mid February and we're on the playoff bubble. Immediately after, they caught fire and went 13-2-3 in their next 18 games and eventually won the Cup.

 

I still don't think they miss the playoffs. They will play better. Hopefully. Maybe.

[squally1313]

Just a reminder....we played without Hossa, Kane, and Bolland tonight. We played with 10 forwards (no, Scott and Hendry do not count as forwards). Our third best forward after Toews and Sharp was....I don't even know, Brouwer? Who's spent half the games on the fourth line until the last couple weeks? I think we all need to calm down. The Av's were the second highest scoring team in the league before tonight, and probably are the leading team now. We knew it was going to be a high scoring game, and we had them until 2 minutes left. And anyone who was watching knows the Keith/Seabrook were almost completely to blame for the 5th and 6th goals. Maybe it's just me, but I'm not really worried about them. Seabrook was -4 tonight....going back through his game logs, I believe that's his worst plus/minus of his entire career. As soon as Q figures out that Hammer/Soupy are just as reliable as 7/2 and stops running Keith/Seabrook into the ground, they'll be just fine.

 

I guess I don't get it....why "quit the team" now? Maybe earlier, when we were getting beat by the Oilers at home more than once with a better lineup on the ice, but now? With arguably 3 of our top 4 forwards out? Going 5-1-1 coming into this game, or even 5-2-1 after the game? That's 11 points in the last 8 games, with is a pretty good pace to be on. 10 of the next 13 games are at home. Most importantly, there are 50 freaking games left. How you guys can say that we don't care after watching a game that we came back in four freaking times really confuses me. Go watch Crawford in net....find that Jumbotron footage of Toews screaming "finish them ****ing off" from the bench....go back to those two games when Toews and Sharp willed themselves to the net by themselves and drew a penalty in the last two minutes to ice the game....just watch Seab's reaction after that 6th goal tonight....and tell me they don't care.

 

It amazes me to go to the transaction thread, where the most common argument is sample size this and sample size that (which, for the record, I agree with), and then I come here and see you guys giving up on a team largely because of the play of the players that won us a Cup last year, as well as some seriously unfortunate injuries. Stalberg, Bickell, Skille, Morin, Crawford, Dowell....those guys aren't the problem. So you want to count us out because of 32 games of bad play from our top guys, because Hossa, Campbell, Kane, and Bolland are all missing games....go for it. Yeah, we won't march through the regular season like last year, and I admit, even getting home ice is going to be a very tough task. But I challenge anyone to name 8 teams in our conference better than we are. And you know how little home ice means in the NHL....just look at the Eastern Conference playoffs last year. We know how well Toews/Kane/Hossa/Sharp/72/Campbell/etc can play. We're seeing how good the new guys can be. We'll be fine.

[Flames24Rulz]

The loss was entirely on Seabrook last night. You can blame Turco, but we were in a position to win the game with about 2 minutes left to play before his two boners. Both Keith and Seabrook were on the ice for the six Avs goals and Keith was on the ice for the empty-netter.

 

We went from getting 3 points out of 4 in two road games to 1 out of 4. That's just been par for the course for this team this season.

 

And use the injury excuse all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that this team was in position to win the game before a collapse by Seabrook. They still should have won the game.

[jersey cubs fan]

What can the Blackhawks get for Seabrook in a trade? I think you really have to consider trading him and Sharp. Fans won't abandon them or turn on the team if you get back into contention in a year or two.

[kujay]

it's beginning to feel like we never won it at all.

 

Let's not get carried away.

 

This happened to the Pens a few years ago too. Yeah, I'm disappointed that so many guys are mailing it in. But I think this is part of the process of learning how to win long-term with such a young team.

[kujay]

What can the Blackhawks get for Seabrook in a trade? I think you really have to consider trading him and Sharp. Fans won't abandon them or turn on the team if you get back into contention in a year or two.

 

Trading Sharp would be a massive mistake, and so would trading Seabrook. Massive overreaction.

[jersey cubs fan]

What can the Blackhawks get for Seabrook in a trade? I think you really have to consider trading him and Sharp. Fans won't abandon them or turn on the team if you get back into contention in a year or two.

 

Trading Sharp would be a massive mistake, and so would trading Seabrook. Massive overreaction.

 

Completely disagree. Keeping Sharp may have been a good idea when there were high hopes to win against in 2010/2011. But keeping him longterm is impossible and he is their best trade chip. It's not an overreaction, it's something I was interested in doing this offseason. If you can get a haul for those two, I think you do it.

[kujay]

What can the Blackhawks get for Seabrook in a trade? I think you really have to consider trading him and Sharp. Fans won't abandon them or turn on the team if you get back into contention in a year or two.

 

Trading Sharp would be a massive mistake, and so would trading Seabrook. Massive overreaction.

 

Completely disagree. Keeping Sharp may have been a good idea when there were high hopes to win against in 2010/2011. But keeping him longterm is impossible and he is their best trade chip. It's not an overreaction, it's something I was interested in doing this offseason. If you can get a haul for those two, I think you do it.

 

I just think it's a bit early to write off this season.

[jersey cubs fan]

I just think it's a bit early to write off this season.

 

Maybe it is, but by the deadline you have to make the decision on at least Seabrook. If you resign him you are more or less committing yourself to coming back next year with the same roster. And soon enough, the cheap young talent filling spots at the back of the roster are going to get their own raises. Guys like Pisani, Skille, Stalberg and Brouwer are either UFA or RFA, as well as Crawford. If you keep Seabrook and Sharp you have to more or less start over in the process of restocking the rest of the roster. If you trade Seabrook and Sharp you get payroll relief immediately and over the next two years, plus you should get a massive infusion of talent to help fill those roles. I would much rather strengthen this team's chances in 2011/2012 and beyond than try and hold on too long to what is left from 2009/2010.

 

As good as he was in the early going, Sharp has 1 goal in December when the team has needed the secondary scoring with the other losses. And for what it is worth, despite leading the team in points he is somehow a -8, the 3rd worst on the team.

 

Campbell has been the most steady defensive player on the team. Seabrook has been a disappointment and the team has to be questioning the idea of signing him longterm, unless they can get him cheaply.

 

It is December now. You can wait until the deadline, but so far this team hasn't looked anything like a playoff team, let alone a contender. Hockey teams need a kick in the pants from time to time and I think while a trade of those two may hurt them in the short-term, it is the best decision long-term. And it may be the only realistic thing they can do to wake them up. If they sneak into the playoffs with this roster and even win a series, it's a disappointment and they won't be any better off next year. If they make the move they could conceivably still sneak into the playoffs this year, and they will be better off going forward.