Re: Brandon Guyer

[CubsWin]

The more I look at his season, his minor league career as a whole and the fact that he's only one year over age for his level and isn't really repeating it (189 ABs at AA last season), Brandon Guyer deserves consideration for top 15 status, if not higher...

 

.322/.376/.548 in 283 ABs, with 27 doubles, 5 triples and 9 HRs with 21 stolen bases in 22 attempts. He started off hot in April hitting .283/.427/.467 and a perfect 8 for 8 on the base paths. Then he got injured (I assume) in May only having 14 ABs, struggled a bit in June after coming back and has been on fire ever since going .415/.437/.622 in 82 ABs in July and .419/.422/.722 in 31 August at bats with a perfect 9 for 9 in stolen bases during those two months.

 

In his first full season after being a 5th round college draftee in '07, Brandon hit .269/.331/.498 at Peoria. Not great, but decent power with 27 doubles, 3 triples and 14 HRs for a 22 year old. The next season he destroys in the FSL, going .347/.405/.453 in 265 ABs and steals 23 bases in 25 attempts. He struggles mightily in his time at AA bringing his season numbers way down, but he still manages to hit .282 on the year. And this year, he is tearing up AA as previously noted, on track for one level per year starting as a 22 year old in Low A as a college draftee.

 

If Guyer makes the team as a reserve OFer next season or tears up AAA and is a mid-season call-up, I've got no problem feeling good about a 25-year-old rookie OFer. Brennan Boesch is a 25-year-old rookie OFer for the Tigers. So is Jon Jay for Cardinals. Chris Johnson is tearing it up for Houston as a 25-year-old rookie 3B. Neil Walker turns 25 in a month. None of those guys are world beaters, but they're all valuable pieces.

 

Can Brandon Guyer be that kind of player for the Cubs?

[scarey]

I think it depends on if he's a capable CF still. I used to remember hearing how he was a solid defensive center fielder, but he's been playing mostly in the corner spots this year. It may be because the Cubs value Campana there more, but I would think a guy like Guyer who has power potential would be more important.

 

He could be a platoon partner with Colvin or a 4th outfielder for sure IMO. If he can play center, he may be able to break through as a starter. I always liked him, but he kinda fell off my radar after a slow start this year along with the injury. He's certainly impressed over all this year though.

[Guest]

I think there's a lot of Reed Johnson in Guyer. Interestingly enough, for his MiLB career he has a sharp reverse platoon split.

[Guest]

I think it depends on if he's a capable CF still. I used to remember hearing how he was a solid defensive center fielder, but he's been playing mostly in the corner spots this year. It may be because the Cubs value Campana there more, but I would think a guy like Guyer who has power potential would be more important.

 

He could be a platoon partner with Colvin or a 4th outfielder for sure IMO. If he can play center, he may be able to break through as a starter. I always liked him, but he kinda fell off my radar after a slow start this year along with the injury. He's certainly impressed over all this year though.

 

He can play center in a pinch but he's really a corner outfielder.

[JeffH]

I think it depends on if he's a capable CF still. I used to remember hearing how he was a solid defensive center fielder, but he's been playing mostly in the corner spots this year. It may be because the Cubs value Campana there more, but I would think a guy like Guyer who has power potential would be more important.

 

He could be a platoon partner with Colvin or a 4th outfielder for sure IMO. If he can play center, he may be able to break through as a starter. I always liked him, but he kinda fell off my radar after a slow start this year along with the injury. He's certainly impressed over all this year though.

 

He can play center in a pinch but he's really a corner outfielder.

 

If your corner outfielders were Tyler Colvin and Brandon Guyer, which one would you play in RF?

[karenmac]

there are a bunch of Cubs folks in Peoria this week. It's great having them in town! I overheard Tim Wilken mentioning Brandon's # of doubles this year, seeming to be very pleased at the production he's having.

[Guest]

If your corner outfielders were Tyler Colvin and Brandon Guyer, which one would you play in RF?

 

Guyer - he has the better range (he could play a passable center) and arm than Colvin.

[CubsWin]

If Guyer succeeds next year during spring training or AAA, it would be interesting to see what Colvin could bring in a trade as a 25 year old OFer with a decent rookie campaign.

[CubsWin]

Two homers for Guyer tonight. Bring his season total to 11 in 295 at bats. Throw in his 27 doubles and 5 triples and that's an extra base hit every 7 at bats.

[Lefty]

 

If your corner outfielders were Tyler Colvin and Brandon Guyer, which one would you play in RF?

 

At that point, what would it matter?

[muntjack]

If Guyer succeeds next year during spring training or AAA, it would be interesting to see what Colvin could bring in a trade as a 25 year old OFer with a decent rookie campaign.

 

The Royals could very well covet someone like Colvin.....................

[jersey cubs fan]

If Guyer succeeds next year during spring training or AAA, it would be interesting to see what Colvin could bring in a trade as a 25 year old OFer with a decent rookie campaign.

 

The Royals could very well covet someone like Colvin.....................

 

I think a few poor teams would love him if he can still look like a guy with the HR power and isn't too huge of an OBP liability. Those teams can't afford ideal players.

[CubsWin]

If Guyer succeeds next year during spring training or AAA, it would be interesting to see what Colvin could bring in a trade as a 25 year old OFer with a decent rookie campaign.

 

The Royals could very well covet someone like Colvin.....................

 

I think a few poor teams would love him if he can still look like a guy with the HR power and isn't too huge of an OBP liability. Those teams can't afford ideal players.

No one, certainly not in this thread, is calling Colvin an "ideal player". I'm just wondering what the Cubs could get for him as a guy who is young, cheap, under team control for a good while and is coming off a decent rookie season.

Edited August 13, 2010 by CubsWin

[jersey cubs fan]

If Guyer succeeds next year during spring training or AAA, it would be interesting to see what Colvin could bring in a trade as a 25 year old OFer with a decent rookie campaign.

 

The Royals could very well covet someone like Colvin.....................

 

I think a few poor teams would love him if he can still look like a guy with the HR power and isn't too huge of an OBP liability. Those teams can't afford ideal players.

No one, certainly not in this thread is calling Colvin an "ideal player". I'm just wondering what the Cubs could get for him as a guy who is young, cheap, under team control for a good while and is coming a decent rookie season.

 

I wasn't trying to say you were.

 

My guess is not a whole lot. Maybe if they had a fairly costly vet they want to clear out.

[CubsWin]

If Guyer succeeds next year during spring training or AAA, it would be interesting to see what Colvin could bring in a trade as a 25 year old OFer with a decent rookie campaign.

 

The Royals could very well covet someone like Colvin.....................

I wonder if they'd be willing to give up a good A ball prospect. William Myers or John Lamb would be nice, maybe too nice. Danny Duffy. A package of Colvin and other pieces for Hosmer would fit the Cubs organizational needs nicely but the Royals have very little motivation to trade Hosmer with how well he's doing. Actually with Hosmer advancing through their system as quickly as he is, including Colvin in a package of players for Billy Butler, who is about to get more expensive, would be ideal.

[javy knows my name]

If Guyer succeeds next year during spring training or AAA, it would be interesting to see what Colvin could bring in a trade as a 25 year old OFer with a decent rookie campaign.

 

The Royals could very well covet someone like Colvin.....................

I wonder if they'd be willing to give up a good A ball prospect. William Myers or John Lamb would be nice, maybe too nice. Danny Duffy. A package of Colvin and other pieces for Hosmer would fit the Cubs organizational needs nicely but the Royals have very little motivation to trade Hosmer with how well he's doing. Actually with Hosmer advancing through their system as quickly as he is, including Colvin in a package of players for Billy Butler, who is about to get more expensive, would be ideal.

I think Hosmer is kinda untouchable.

 

I want the Hawaiian 1B. I think Colvin straight-up would easily do it.

[SouthSideRyan]

If Guyer succeeds next year during spring training or AAA, it would be interesting to see what Colvin could bring in a trade as a 25 year old OFer with a decent rookie campaign.

 

The Royals could very well covet someone like Colvin.....................

I wonder if they'd be willing to give up a good A ball prospect. William Myers or John Lamb would be nice, maybe too nice. Danny Duffy. A package of Colvin and other pieces for Hosmer would fit the Cubs organizational needs nicely but the Royals have very little motivation to trade Hosmer with how well he's doing. Actually with Hosmer advancing through their system as quickly as he is, including Colvin in a package of players for Billy Butler, who is about to get more expensive, would be ideal.

I think Hosmer is kinda untouchable.

 

I want the Hawaiian 1B. I think Colvin straight-up would easily do it.

 

I think that's overpaying. I'd be surprised if Colvin doesn't have quite a bit of value at the moment

[javy knows my name]

If Guyer succeeds next year during spring training or AAA, it would be interesting to see what Colvin could bring in a trade as a 25 year old OFer with a decent rookie campaign.

 

The Royals could very well covet someone like Colvin.....................

I wonder if they'd be willing to give up a good A ball prospect. William Myers or John Lamb would be nice, maybe too nice. Danny Duffy. A package of Colvin and other pieces for Hosmer would fit the Cubs organizational needs nicely but the Royals have very little motivation to trade Hosmer with how well he's doing. Actually with Hosmer advancing through their system as quickly as he is, including Colvin in a package of players for Billy Butler, who is about to get more expensive, would be ideal.

I think Hosmer is kinda untouchable.

 

I want the Hawaiian 1B. I think Colvin straight-up would easily do it.

 

I think that's overpaying. I'd be surprised if Colvin doesn't have quite a bit of value at the moment

Include Gordon, then.

 

And then find me a change of underwear.

[imb]

BRING ME THE HEAD OF BILLY BUTLER (and the rest of him too, please)

[davearm2]

Granted Billy Butler would fill an obvious need at 1B for the Cubs, but I'm not getting all the love.

 

Low/mid .800s OPS with subpar defense doesn't sound that inspiring.

[Rob]

Granted Billy Butler would fill an obvious need at 1B for the Cubs, but I'm not getting all the love.

 

Low/mid .800s OPS with subpar defense doesn't sound that inspiring.

 

A 24 year old first baseman who hits for average, is developing patience, and is placing near the top of the league in doubles?

 

I'd definitely want to be on board when some of those doubles start going over the fence as he hits his prime.

[CubsWin]

It's fun to think about, but not only is it a long ways off, there are several roadblocks to handle.

 

So for now, I will dream of Brandon Guyer become a productive RFer for the Cubs, bringing speed, solid defense and some offensive pop. Fukudome being traded for whatever and at next year's trade deadline, the Cubs putting together a package that sends Colvin to KC and brings Butler to the northside.

[davearm2]

Granted Billy Butler would fill an obvious need at 1B for the Cubs, but I'm not getting all the love.

 

Low/mid .800s OPS with subpar defense doesn't sound that inspiring.

 

A 24 year old first baseman who hits for average, is developing patience, and is placing near the top of the league in doubles?

 

I'd definitely want to be on board when some of those doubles start going over the fence as he hits his prime.

Obviously there's been all kinds of hype around Butler and his potential, ever since his days of being an elite prospect.

 

With 2000 MLB PA's under his belt, seems time to reconsider how much of that potential he's going to reach. Despite his age he very well may be settling into the player I described.

[muntjack]

I was thinking more along the lines of Greinke.

[chopsx9]

If Guyer succeeds next year during spring training or AAA, it would be interesting to see what Colvin could bring in a trade as a 25 year old OFer with a decent rookie campaign.

 

The Royals could very well covet someone like Colvin.....................

I wonder if they'd be willing to give up a good A ball prospect. William Myers or John Lamb would be nice, maybe too nice. Danny Duffy. A package of Colvin and other pieces for Hosmer would fit the Cubs organizational needs nicely but the Royals have very little motivation to trade Hosmer with how well he's doing. Actually with Hosmer advancing through their system as quickly as he is, including Colvin in a package of players for Billy Butler, who is about to get more expensive, would be ideal.

I think Hosmer is kinda untouchable.

 

I want the Hawaiian 1B. I think Colvin straight-up would easily do it.

 

I think that's overpaying. I'd be surprised if Colvin doesn't have quite a bit of value at the moment

 

Times maybe different now I realize, but, in terms of trade value how do you think Colvin compares to Brant Brown

before he was traded for Lieber? (Were there other players involved???)