Bears 2010 preseason thread

[Wilson A2000]

Jeff Backus sucks at LT and the Lions line wasnt very good either. Martz team still put up #s with Jon Kitna, Mike Furrey and Shaun McDonald, etc. Williams>/=Backus. Williams played pretty good at LT at the end of the year, until his play becomes a trend then i will be worried.

 

This preseason can't get over soon enough.

 

In 2006 Roy Williams had a big year with 1300 yards. I don't know if a Bear receiver can get over 1,000. But as we all know, the problem with this team is not the receivers now, but the offensive line.

[JonJayCutler]

Come on. Did the media forget it's still preseason? Williams has the LT position locked up, so I doubt they saw his best effort. He was brilliant against Jared Allen last year in Week 16, and I'm still confident that was closer to the real Chris Williams.

 

I'm still very concerned about the line in general, but not really him in particular. I suppose if the media didn't overrate the preseason they wouldn't have as many stories to write.

[Magnetic Curses]

Jeff Backus sucks at LT and the Lions line wasnt very good either. Martz team still put up #s with Jon Kitna, Mike Furrey and Shaun McDonald, etc. Williams>/=Backus. Williams played pretty good at LT at the end of the year, until his play becomes a trend then i will be worried.

 

This preseason can't get over soon enough.

 

In 2006 Roy Williams had a big year with 1300 yards. I don't know if a Bear receiver can get over 1,000. But as we all know, the problem with this team is not the receivers now, but the offensive line.

 

i think knox will be at 1,000 this year.

[Butterscup1679666578]

Come on. Did the media forget it's still preseason? Williams has the LT position locked up, so I doubt they saw his best effort. He was brilliant against Jared Allen last year in Week 16, and I'm still confident that was closer to the real Chris Williams.

 

I'm still very concerned about the line in general, but not really him in particular. I suppose if the media didn't overrate the preseason they wouldn't have as many stories to write.

 

He had TE/RB/FB help on Jared Allen.

 

But that's how it's going to be anyways. He's going to be facing the top DEs in the league, so he's going to get help. He had no help at all on Saturday.

 

Now, personally I'm not concerned at all, I'm just writing it off as a bad game.

[UMFan83]

The 2006-2007 Lions did end up putting more points each season than any lions team in the decade, but I feel like that team also set the opponents up for many points as well. In 2007 Kitna threw 20 INTs and fumbled the ball 17 times (not sure how many of those were lost). Likely because the lack of O-line causing Kitna to rush things and either throw into traffic or not protect the ball well enough.

 

That said, Kitna had always had some level of fumble and INT issues. I just worry that we might have an unholy trinity of a QB that is prone to throwing INTs, an offensive system that can lead to many sacks/INTs and an offensive line that even in a normal offense would allow the D to get to/hurry the QB too often.

Edited August 25, 2010 by UMFan83

[Soul]

Unholy trinity would definitely be bad...

[rawaction]

Come on. Did the media forget it's still preseason? Williams has the LT position locked up, so I doubt they saw his best effort. He was brilliant against Jared Allen last year in Week 16, and I'm still confident that was closer to the real Chris Williams.

 

I'm still very concerned about the line in general, but not really him in particular. I suppose if the media didn't overrate the preseason they wouldn't have as many stories to write.

 

He had TE/RB/FB help on Jared Allen.

 

But that's how it's going to be anyways. He's going to be facing the top DEs in the league, so he's going to get help. He had no help at all on Saturday.

 

Now, personally I'm not concerned at all, I'm just writing it off as a bad game.

 

And the thing is, with 3 inexperienced players on the line (Williams, Omiyale, Louis) there will be some bad days. Also, the 2 aging OL are known to have bad days too. Hopefully, they can overcome them and not all happen at the same time.

[sneakypower]

The 2006-2007 Lions did end up putting more points each season than any lions team in the decade, but I feel like that team also set the opponents up for many points as well. In 2007 Kitna threw 20 INTs and fumbled the ball 17 times (not sure how many of those were lost). Likely because the lack of O-line causing Kitna to rush things and either throw into traffic or not protect the ball well enough.

yup, that was the case. Kevin Jones was awesome that year too, and Forte's pretty nasty, if we're trying to make comparisons. Taylor starting would probably be a big upgrade to the offense

[SpongeWorthy]

The 2006-2007 Lions did end up putting more points each season than any lions team in the decade, but I feel like that team also set the opponents up for many points as well. In 2007 Kitna threw 20 INTs and fumbled the ball 17 times (not sure how many of those were lost). Likely because the lack of O-line causing Kitna to rush things and either throw into traffic or not protect the ball well enough.

 

That said, Kitna had always had some level of fumble and INT issues. I just worry that we might have an unholy trinity of a QB that is prone to throwing INTs, an offensive system that can lead to many sacks/INTs and an offensive line that even in a normal offense would allow the D to get to/hurry the QB too often.

 

You also want an offense that can dictate the tempo, control the clock, and protect leads. Scoring points is great and critical but you can always system your way to putting up points if you have even a little bit of talent.

 

It's kinda like Texas Tech in college football. They'll always have big numbers but it's hard for them to win games against great opponents because they're one dimensional and can't control the clock when they need to.

[cubweiser03]

The 2006-2007 Lions did end up putting more points each season than any lions team in the decade, but I feel like that team also set the opponents up for many points as well. In 2007 Kitna threw 20 INTs and fumbled the ball 17 times (not sure how many of those were lost). Likely because the lack of O-line causing Kitna to rush things and either throw into traffic or not protect the ball well enough.

 

That said, Kitna had always had some level of fumble and INT issues. I just worry that we might have an unholy trinity of a QB that is prone to throwing INTs, an offensive system that can lead to many sacks/INTs and an offensive line that even in a normal offense would allow the D to get to/hurry the QB too often.

 

You also want an offense that can dictate the tempo, control the clock, and protect leads. Scoring points is great and critical but you can always system your way to putting up points if you have even a little bit of talent.

 

It's kinda like Texas Tech in college football. They'll always have big numbers but it's hard for them to win games against great opponents because they're one dimensional and can't control the clock when they need to.

 

I know, i wish we had a type offense that went to 2 Super Bowls and won one. Wait we do.

 

Tech's defense has historically sucked and the 2009 Arizona Cardinals and 2010 Saints and Colts didnt run the ball either. Running is only important in short yardage situations. If it was as easy as systeming your way to points the Jets should go to that and blow through the league this year.

[Guest]

Forget Williams. How did Louis look?

[Butterscup1679666578]

Forget Williams. How did Louis look?

 

vs. Oakland? I don't think he was great on pass blocking but I thought he looked good on run blocking, especially on his pulls. He had a great kickout block on Forte's long run

[SpongeWorthy]

The 2006-2007 Lions did end up putting more points each season than any lions team in the decade, but I feel like that team also set the opponents up for many points as well. In 2007 Kitna threw 20 INTs and fumbled the ball 17 times (not sure how many of those were lost). Likely because the lack of O-line causing Kitna to rush things and either throw into traffic or not protect the ball well enough.

 

That said, Kitna had always had some level of fumble and INT issues. I just worry that we might have an unholy trinity of a QB that is prone to throwing INTs, an offensive system that can lead to many sacks/INTs and an offensive line that even in a normal offense would allow the D to get to/hurry the QB too often.

 

You also want an offense that can dictate the tempo, control the clock, and protect leads. Scoring points is great and critical but you can always system your way to putting up points if you have even a little bit of talent.

 

It's kinda like Texas Tech in college football. They'll always have big numbers but it's hard for them to win games against great opponents because they're one dimensional and can't control the clock when they need to.

 

I know, i wish we had a type offense that went to 2 Super Bowls and won one. Wait we do.

 

Tech's defense has historically sucked and the 2009 Arizona Cardinals and 2010 Saints and Colts didnt run the ball either. Running is only important in short yardage situations. If it was as easy as systeming your way to points the Jets should go to that and blow through the league this year.

 

The Saints were one of the best running teams in football last year.

 

Also, Cutler isn't on the same planet as Brees or Manning (or Rodgers, Rivers, Brady, etc) so he needs a better running attack behind him than those type of guys. It'd help a lot...especially if we could get in the end zone on the run rather than let him brain fart the football away.

[jersey cubs fan]

Cutler is on the same planet with them and running games are vastly overrated.

[SpongeWorthy]

Maybe on the eye test.

 

As for actual productivity/efficiency, no. It's not close.

[JonJayCutler]

Maybe on the eye test.

 

As for actual productivity/efficiency, no. It's not close.

 

How much of that lack of productivity/efficiency is actually Cutler's fault? Especially last year. All those QBs you mentioned have MUCH better surrounding players than what Cutler has now and probably what he had in Denver. Marshall is the only offensive player that stands out to me who played with Cutler in Denver.

[SpongeWorthy]

Maybe on the eye test.

 

As for actual productivity/efficiency, no. It's not close.

 

How much of that lack of productivity/efficiency is actually Cutler's fault? Especially last year. All those QBs you mentioned have MUCH better surrounding players than what Cutler has now and probably what he had in Denver. Marshall is the only offensive player that stands out to me who played with Cutler in Denver.

 

A lot of it. The guy makes a lot of bonehead errors. He did it in Denver when he had good receivers and the best pass protection in football (although not to the extent he did last season).

 

I've been driving the Bears WRs stink bandwagon for over a year now but saying Cutler doesn't shoulder a large amount of the blame for his play last year is pure revisionist history. If you can watch Cutler and then watch a game where those other QBs I mentioned and say this guy is nearly as accurate and smart with the football as them...you're delusional.

[jersey cubs fan]

Maybe on the eye test.

 

As for actual productivity/efficiency, no. It's not close.

 

How much of that lack of productivity/efficiency is actually Cutler's fault? Especially last year. All those QBs you mentioned have MUCH better surrounding players than what Cutler has now and probably what he had in Denver. Marshall is the only offensive player that stands out to me who played with Cutler in Denver.

 

A lot of it. The guy makes a lot of bonehead errors. He did it in Denver when he had good receivers and the best pass protection in football (although not to the extent he did last season).

 

I've been driving the Bears WRs stink bandwagon for over a year now but saying Cutler doesn't shoulder a large amount of the blame for his play last year is pure revisionist history. If you can watch Cutler and then watch a game where those other QBs I mentioned and say this guy is nearly as accurate and smart with the football as them...you're delusional.

He's obviously not as good but you said he's not on the same planet. That's inaccurate.

[Banedon]

A league source said the Bears have informed other clubs that running back Garrett Wolfe and safety Al Afalava could be traded. That doesn't mean they will be or they're destined to be released, but the fishing line has been cast.

 

Did Afalava kick Lovie's dog or something?

[Banedon]

I can't help it. I like Rex.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0826-haugh-bears-quarterback-c20100825,0,3711116.column

[Soul]

I can't help it. I like Rex.

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-spt-0826-haugh-bears-quarterback-c20100825,0,3711116.column

 

Yep. Me too.

[jersey cubs fan]

I might be going to see him play Friday night.

[rawaction]

I might be going to see him play Friday night.

 

Saw him play, many a Friday night as he was in highschool at Bloomington South when I was a freshman/sophomore at IU. My boss' son was a WR on the team.

 

Funny, I knew he was good enough to be a college QB back then, but I figured he was going to a school like IU, Kentucky, Southern Illinois...a fringe D1 team or good D2 team in the midwest. When I found out Spurrier wanted him, I was floored. I always wish Rexy the best also.

[Soul]

The fact that he'll be starting will definitely make me pay more attention to that Skins/Jets game.

[rawaction]

The fact that he'll be starting will definitely make me pay more attention to that Skins/Jets game.

 

Can't ask for a better situation. I don't believe McNabb has been extended yet, but he's the #2 with an aging starter and has a great QB coach in Shanahan. A respectable QB coach probably hurt Rex's chances in Chicago more than anything.