Aramis coming around?

[erik316wttn]

hell, how about just the last 12 games:

 

21-48, 17 runs, 5 doubles, 1 triple, 9 homers, 24 RBI, .438/.462/1.146/1.607

 

9 homers, 15 XBH's, 24 RBI in 12 games... yowza

 

Eat it, Josh Hamilton.

[lumafia]

hell, how about just the last 12 games:

 

21-48, 17 runs, 5 doubles, 1 triple, 9 homers, 24 RBI, .438/.462/1.146/1.607

 

9 homers, 15 XBH's, 24 RBI in 12 games... yowza

 

Eat it, Josh Hamilton.

 

I've seen him do it. It was in International waters so they couldn't prosecute him.

[Keener98]

hell, how about just the last 12 games:

 

21-48, 17 runs, 5 doubles, 1 triple, 9 homers, 24 RBI, .438/.462/1.146/1.607

 

9 homers, 15 XBH's, 24 RBI in 12 games... yowza

 

Eat it, Josh Hamilton.

 

Yea Hamilton isnt "eating" anything in regards to ARam. While ARam's last 12 games are nice, Hamilton has basically done what Ramirez is doing right now over 175 at bats.

[rawaction]

hell, how about just the last 12 games:

 

21-48, 17 runs, 5 doubles, 1 triple, 9 homers, 24 RBI, .438/.462/1.146/1.607

 

9 homers, 15 XBH's, 24 RBI in 12 games... yowza

 

Eat it, Josh Hamilton.

 

I've seen him do it. It was in International waters so they couldn't prosecute him.

 

LOL. Step Brothers reference!

[erik316wttn]

Would it be a good idea to shop Aram while he's hot and see if we can get a team desperate for a bat to overpay in prospects or young- ML talent? I know nothing of Detroit's minor league system, but I know they're going to be without Inge for a while. Would they be possible trade partners?

[lumafia]

Would it be a good idea to shop Aram while he's hot and see if we can get a team desperate for a bat to overpay in prospects or young- ML talent? I know nothing of Detroit's minor league system, but I know they're going to be without Inge for a while. Would they be possible trade partners?

 

It would probably be a good idea, but nobody is going to take a chance on him because of what happened this year, and it would be unlikely that we could find somebody who can be as productive as he could (if healthy) be for the same money.

[Keener98]

Would it be a good idea to shop Aram while he's hot and see if we can get a team desperate for a bat to overpay in prospects or young- ML talent? I know nothing of Detroit's minor league system, but I know they're going to be without Inge for a while. Would they be possible trade partners?

 

It would probably be a good idea, but nobody is going to take a chance on him because of what happened this year, and it would be unlikely that we could find somebody who can be as productive as he could (if healthy) be for the same money.

 

Yea there is noway thats even close to being true.

[erik316wttn]

Would it be a good idea to shop Aram while he's hot and see if we can get a team desperate for a bat to overpay in prospects or young- ML talent? I know nothing of Detroit's minor league system, but I know they're going to be without Inge for a while. Would they be possible trade partners?

 

It would probably be a good idea, but nobody is going to take a chance on him because of what happened this year, and it would be unlikely that we could find somebody who can be as productive as he could (if healthy) be for the same money.

 

I think he's pretty much shown he's beaten whatever the hell was wrong with him earlier this year.

 

And yeah, we're not going to find another ARam on the market, but if we could maybe get Cantu and then a slight upgrade to another position that makes losing Aram worth it.

 

In a dream world, I say Cantu and Adrian Gonzalez as our new IF corners.

[lumafia]

Would it be a good idea to shop Aram while he's hot and see if we can get a team desperate for a bat to overpay in prospects or young- ML talent? I know nothing of Detroit's minor league system, but I know they're going to be without Inge for a while. Would they be possible trade partners?

 

It would probably be a good idea, but nobody is going to take a chance on him because of what happened this year, and it would be unlikely that we could find somebody who can be as productive as he could (if healthy) be for the same money.

 

Yea there is noway thats even close to being true.

 

The only GM dumb enough to give up prospects for a guy who has had the injury and production problems Aramis has had over the last 2 years as a 32 year-old 3B getting ready to make $14.6 million in 2011, is Jim Hendry. I don't think he'll trade Aramis to himself, but you never know.

[jersey cubs fan]

The only GM dumb enough to give up prospects for a guy who has had the injury and production problems Aramis has had over the last 2 years as a 32 year-old 3B getting ready to make $14.6 million in 2011, is Jim Hendry. I don't think he'll trade Aramis to himself, but you never know.

 

Plenty of GMs would take a risk on a injury risk player who is currently healthy and tearing the ball apart if he's had a career of tearing the ball apart like Aramis. You don't want to build your team around injury risks, but if you are looking for a bat down the stretch Ramirez is a perfectly good candidate to trade for.

[Clem Fandango]

Aramis Ramirez has been one of the most consistent and best offensive 3B in the majors for the past 6 years. He does have his fair share of dings and dents as well, but his track record over the past 6 years as well as his current play should trump the 3 month aberration.

 

Yes, they should shop him. If he continues to play like this he will probably opt out, I'm sure he'll have no problems waiving his NTC if both he and Cubs have no intention of coming to terms after the season. He's probably one of, if not our most valuable expendable trade chip... but that NTC is still pesky (not that it matters... 10-5). If our goal is to rebuild, he should bring in a very nice haul, even if he ends up being a rental. Teams like the Angels, Dodgers, Tigers, they all need a 3B... hell even a team like the Rays could use him at DH instead of trotting Willy Aybar and Hank Blalock out there.

 

I would say that Aramis has tremendous trade value right now, and unless this recent offensive resurgence has the Cubs thinking playoff push (I hope not), I think they should try and move him. He'll be 33 next year, so getting older won't help him get any less injury prone, trade him while his value is as high as it likely will be this season, IMO.

[lumafia]

Would it be a good idea to shop Aram while he's hot and see if we can get a team desperate for a bat to overpay in prospects or young- ML talent? I know nothing of Detroit's minor league system, but I know they're going to be without Inge for a while. Would they be possible trade partners?

 

It would probably be a good idea, but nobody is going to take a chance on him because of what happened this year, and it would be unlikely that we could find somebody who can be as productive as he could (if healthy) be for the same money.

 

I think he's pretty much shown he's beaten whatever the hell was wrong with him earlier this year.

 

And yeah, we're not going to find another ARam on the market, but if we could maybe get Cantu and then a slight upgrade to another position that makes losing Aram worth it.

 

In a dream world, I say Cantu and Adrian Gonzalez as our new IF corners.

 

Cantu and Gonzalez would be an upgrade over Lee and Ramirez, but Gonzalez won't be available until 2012 as a FA, or at best, 2011 via trade.

 

The only team I've seen that has the payroll flexibility, needs offensive help desperately enough and would like to retain players through a trade beyond this year is the Phillies. I'm not sure if they would be willing to deal for Aramis.

[Keener98]

Would it be a good idea to shop Aram while he's hot and see if we can get a team desperate for a bat to overpay in prospects or young- ML talent? I know nothing of Detroit's minor league system, but I know they're going to be without Inge for a while. Would they be possible trade partners?

 

It would probably be a good idea, but nobody is going to take a chance on him because of what happened this year, and it would be unlikely that we could find somebody who can be as productive as he could (if healthy) be for the same money.

 

Yea there is noway thats even close to being true.

 

The only GM dumb enough to give up prospects for a guy who has had the injury and production problems Aramis has had over the last 2 years as a 32 year-old 3B getting ready to make $14.6 million in 2011, is Jim Hendry. I don't think he'll trade Aramis to himself, but you never know.

 

Aramis hasnt had production problems over the last 2 years. He had 3 months of production problems this year, thats it. I think you are severely overestimating MLB GM's. When healthy ARam has always been a very productive 3rd baseman, and teams needing a boost in their offense for the stretch run can see that ARam is over his problems from early on this season. If I had to guess there would be several GM's interested in ARam for the stretch run, and for 2011 at 14.6 million.

[lumafia]

Aramis Ramirez has been one of the most consistent and best offensive 3B in the majors for the past 6 years. He does have his fair share of dings and dents as well, but his track record over the past 6 years as well as his current play should trump the 3 month aberration.

 

Yes, they should shop him. If he continues to play like this he will probably opt out, I'm sure he'll have no problems waiving his NTC if both he and Cubs have no intention of coming to terms after the season. He's probably one of, if not our most valuable expendable trade chip... but that NTC is still pesky (not that it matters... 10-5). If our goal is to rebuild, he should bring in a very nice haul, even if he ends up being a rental. Teams like the Angels, Dodgers, Tigers, they all need a 3B... hell even a team like the Rays could use him at DH instead of trotting Willy Aybar and Hank Blalock out there.

 

I would say that Aramis has tremendous trade value right now, and unless this recent offensive resurgence has the Cubs thinking playoff push (I hope not), I think they should try and move him. He'll be 33 next year, so getting older won't help him get any less injury prone, trade him while his value is as high as it likely will be this season, IMO.

 

That's why there won't be a huge market for him. Again, I say trade them all. But I don't think A. many teams will take a chance on him this year or B. Hendry will trade him. I don't think the team is planning on being in contention this year, but I know Hendry wants to contend next year. Due to lack of options for 3B within our organization and through free agency, I would be VERY suprised to see Ramirez dealt.

[Keener98]

Aramis not being dealt because we need him next year is very different than him not being dealt because nobody would be interested in him.

[CubColtPacer]

It should be noted also that the club option for 2012 becomes guaranteed if Ramirez is traded. So anyone trading for him would know that if Ramirez does well he might opt out and if he does poorly or gets hurt they're on the hook for over 30 million over the next 2 seasons.

[davearm2]

It should be noted also that the club option for 2012 becomes guaranteed if Ramirez is traded. So anyone trading for him would know that if Ramirez does well he might opt out and if he does poorly or gets hurt they're on the hook for over 30 million over the next 2 seasons.

Exactly. The thing that will keep Ramirez from being traded is his contract.

 

Look at what's reportedly going on with the Phils -- they need to shed a Jason Werth-sized contract in order to add an Oswalt-sized contract.

 

And I imagine the Phils have more $$$ flexibility than most other teams.

 

Adding a guy like Ramirez would be difficult for large-market team, and virtually impossible for a mid- or small-market team. And the large-market team would have to have enough expiring contracts to offset what Ramirez is owed in 2011 and 2012.

[lumafia]

Aramis not being dealt because we need him next year is very different than him not being dealt because nobody would be interested in him.

 

I'm saying both. The Cubs don't want to trade him, and other teams don't want to give up prospects for his contract.

[dew1679666265]

My question regarding trading Aramis is whether we'd get good value for him. Teams know he's capable of being very good, but he's had injury issues in back-to-back years now and was awful to start the season.

 

I think teams would have interest in acquiring him, but I think the contract plus the injuries plus the horrid start to the year may decrease the return we could get for him.

[Clem Fandango]

My question regarding trading Aramis is whether we'd get good value for him. Teams know he's capable of being very good, but he's had injury issues in back-to-back years now and was awful to start the season.

 

I think teams would have interest in acquiring him, but I think the contract plus the injuries plus the horrid start to the year may decrease the return we could get for him.

 

He has injury issues almost every season, last season was the only time he missed a lot of significant time though and that was because of a freak dislocation on a diving play. Any team interested in him will likely anticipate getting at least 130 games out of him each year.

 

The whole 2012 option kicking in if traded was something I did not realize. That certainly changes things

[dew1679666265]

He has injury issues almost every season, last season was the only time he missed a lot of significant time though and that was because of a freak dislocation on a diving play. Any team interested in him will likely anticipate getting at least 130 games out of him each year.

 

Last year's injury (or this year's if his struggles weren't a carry over from the same injury) was the first that significantly hampered his performance, though. Teams will, at least, use that in negotiations.

[lumafia]

He has injury issues almost every season, last season was the only time he missed a lot of significant time though and that was because of a freak dislocation on a diving play. Any team interested in him will likely anticipate getting at least 130 games out of him each year.

 

Last year's injury (or this year's if his struggles weren't a carry over from the same injury) was the first that significantly hampered his performance, though. Teams will, at least, use that in negotiations.

 

I guess my point is that a good GM is going to want to see him perform for more than just 3 weeks before making a decision to pay his salary and give up prospects. I would.

[erik316wttn]

He has injury issues almost every season, last season was the only time he missed a lot of significant time though and that was because of a freak dislocation on a diving play. Any team interested in him will likely anticipate getting at least 130 games out of him each year.

 

Last year's injury (or this year's if his struggles weren't a carry over from the same injury) was the first that significantly hampered his performance, though. Teams will, at least, use that in negotiations.

 

I guess my point is that a good GM is going to want to see him perform for more than just 3 weeks before making a decision to pay his salary and give up prospects. I would.

 

But it's not just 3 weeks. It's his entire Cubs career, save for the first half of this season. It's not like he's a career underachiever who is on a hot streak right now. And while he won't keep up this torrid pace, he is certainly capable of putting up career norms for the 2nd half of the season, which is one hell of a lot better than the production a lot of teams are getting from 3rd base at the moment.

 

And there are a few teams, Tigers and Angels among them, who would most likely gladly pay in prospects for a hot bat at a position of need.