2011 Draft Discussion

[Rob]

Personally, I think it's his way of trying to set himself up with wherever he truly wants to go. Maybe Boston? Just guessing, but they have multiple picks and no limitations whatsoever with what they spend.......

 

 

On another note, if Arizona takes Bundy, I just read that Baltimore is in on Bradley(Archie). If they take him, things could get weird. I still think Seattle takes Rendon myself, so if that's the top 4, let's say KC takes Lindor, Washington takes Bubba(which seems almost a lock at this point) leaving Arizona with their choice of Hultzen or Bauer. If they take Bauer, I doubt the Indians take Hultzen. Assuming they don't, in this scenario, is he a lock for the Cubs? I think his pricetag could play into things some, but he's probably a solid bet to be in the major league rotation by mid 2012 and I don't see why he's labeled as a potential "2". Why is he not a future "ace"? If he's there, I'd certainly hope we take him. And go ahead and give him a major league deal, to cut down some of the immediate bonus.

 

Why Lindor to KC? I thought they were in on Bauer.

[Rob]

Personally, I think it's his way of trying to set himself up with wherever he truly wants to go. Maybe Boston? Just guessing, but they have multiple picks and no limitations whatsoever with what they spend.......

 

 

On another note, if Arizona takes Bundy, I just read that Baltimore is in on Bradley(Archie). If they take him, things could get weird. I still think Seattle takes Rendon myself, so if that's the top 4, let's say KC takes Lindor, Washington takes Bubba(which seems almost a lock at this point) leaving Arizona with their choice of Hultzen or Bauer. If they take Bauer, I doubt the Indians take Hultzen. Assuming they don't, in this scenario, is he a lock for the Cubs? I think his pricetag could play into things some, but he's probably a solid bet to be in the major league rotation by mid 2012 and I don't see why he's labeled as a potential "2". Why is he not a future "ace"? If he's there, I'd certainly hope we take him. And go ahead and give him a major league deal, to cut down some of the immediate bonus.

 

Why Lindor to KC? I thought they were in on Bauer.

 

Speaking of, that's my nightmare scenario.

 

1.) Cole

2.) Rendon

3.) Bundy

4.) A. Bradley

5.) Bauer

6.) Starling

7.) Hultzen

8.) Gray

 

Something tells me that if the draft has gone like this, Wilken will have a surprise for us.

[Guest]

Personally, I think it's his way of trying to set himself up with wherever he truly wants to go. Maybe Boston? Just guessing, but they have multiple picks and no limitations whatsoever with what they spend.......

 

 

On another note, if Arizona takes Bundy, I just read that Baltimore is in on Bradley(Archie). If they take him, things could get weird. I still think Seattle takes Rendon myself, so if that's the top 4, let's say KC takes Lindor, Washington takes Bubba(which seems almost a lock at this point) leaving Arizona with their choice of Hultzen or Bauer. If they take Bauer, I doubt the Indians take Hultzen. Assuming they don't, in this scenario, is he a lock for the Cubs? I think his pricetag could play into things some, but he's probably a solid bet to be in the major league rotation by mid 2012 and I don't see why he's labeled as a potential "2". Why is he not a future "ace"? If he's there, I'd certainly hope we take him. And go ahead and give him a major league deal, to cut down some of the immediate bonus.

 

Why Lindor to KC? I thought they were in on Bauer.

 

They are on Bauer per everything I have read.

[RammyFanny]

If Lindor doesn't go 2, I wouldn't be surprised to see him fall into the late teens/early 20's. Maybe i'm wrong though.

[imb]

 

Speaking of, that's my nightmare scenario.

 

1.) Cole

2.) Rendon

3.) Bundy

4.) A. Bradley

5.) Bauer

6.) Starling

7.) Hultzen

8.) Gray

 

Something tells me that if the draft has gone like this, Wilken will have a surprise for us.

 

We'd end up with lindor and i'd end up with heroin in my forehead

[davell]

Personally, I think it's his way of trying to set himself up with wherever he truly wants to go. Maybe Boston? Just guessing, but they have multiple picks and no limitations whatsoever with what they spend.......

 

 

On another note, if Arizona takes Bundy, I just read that Baltimore is in on Bradley(Archie). If they take him, things could get weird. I still think Seattle takes Rendon myself, so if that's the top 4, let's say KC takes Lindor, Washington takes Bubba(which seems almost a lock at this point) leaving Arizona with their choice of Hultzen or Bauer. If they take Bauer, I doubt the Indians take Hultzen. Assuming they don't, in this scenario, is he a lock for the Cubs? I think his pricetag could play into things some, but he's probably a solid bet to be in the major league rotation by mid 2012 and I don't see why he's labeled as a potential "2". Why is he not a future "ace"? If he's there, I'd certainly hope we take him. And go ahead and give him a major league deal, to cut down some of the immediate bonus.

 

Why Lindor to KC? I thought they were in on Bauer.

 

They are on Bauer per everything I have read.

 

Yeah, I've heard that too, but I've also heard Lindor to the D-Backs at 7 possibly. I was thinking Lindor to KC because the rest of the infield seems to be set with Hosmer/Colon/Moustakas. That said, just swap those 2 picks around and there's still a shot Hultzen falls......

[davell]

Personally, I think it's his way of trying to set himself up with wherever he truly wants to go. Maybe Boston? Just guessing, but they have multiple picks and no limitations whatsoever with what they spend.......

 

 

On another note, if Arizona takes Bundy, I just read that Baltimore is in on Bradley(Archie). If they take him, things could get weird. I still think Seattle takes Rendon myself, so if that's the top 4, let's say KC takes Lindor, Washington takes Bubba(which seems almost a lock at this point) leaving Arizona with their choice of Hultzen or Bauer. If they take Bauer, I doubt the Indians take Hultzen. Assuming they don't, in this scenario, is he a lock for the Cubs? I think his pricetag could play into things some, but he's probably a solid bet to be in the major league rotation by mid 2012 and I don't see why he's labeled as a potential "2". Why is he not a future "ace"? If he's there, I'd certainly hope we take him. And go ahead and give him a major league deal, to cut down some of the immediate bonus.

 

Why Lindor to KC? I thought they were in on Bauer.

 

Speaking of, that's my nightmare scenario.

 

1.) Cole

2.) Rendon

3.) Bundy

4.) A. Bradley

5.) Bauer

6.) Starling

7.) Hultzen

8.) Gray

 

Something tells me that if the draft has gone like this, Wilken will have a surprise for us.

 

If that goes down, I'd probably be happiest with Jed Bradley, Norris or Guerrieri, but would be OK with Springer, Barnes, or even Lindor(I guess)

[RammyFanny]

Meh. I was hoping we'd get a little more dirt on the eve of the draft.

[javy knows my name]

 

Speaking of, that's my nightmare scenario.

 

1.) Cole

2.) Rendon

3.) Bundy

4.) A. Bradley

5.) Bauer

6.) Starling

7.) Hultzen

8.) Gray

 

Something tells me that if the draft has gone like this, Wilken will have a surprise for us.

 

We'd end up with lindor and i'd end up with heroin in my forehead

 

So there IS a pick you can't talk yourself into.

 

FWIW, I'm the same. Though I'd still hate Mahtook more.

[Guest]

 

Speaking of, that's my nightmare scenario.

 

1.) Cole

2.) Rendon

3.) Bundy

4.) A. Bradley

5.) Bauer

6.) Starling

7.) Hultzen

8.) Gray

 

Something tells me that if the draft has gone like this, Wilken will have a surprise for us.

 

We'd end up with lindor and i'd end up with heroin in my forehead

 

So there IS a pick you can't talk yourself into.

 

FWIW, I'm the same. Though I'd still hate Mahtook more.

 

I could see Springer going in that situation too. I'd definitely prefer Mahtook of those 3 choices.

[imb]

Read from a guy in Baltimore saying that the Orioles are flipping from Bundy to Bradley. I kind of think that, in that case, Bundy would have a better chance of getting to 9 than Bradley would (assuming Baltimore went with Bundy.)

 

That's a horribly phrased sentence but you get it.

[Guest]

Read from a guy in Baltimore saying that the Orioles are flipping from Bundy to Bradley. I kind of think that, in that case, Bundy would have a better chance of getting to 9 than Bradley would (assuming Baltimore went with Bundy.)

 

That's a horribly phrased sentence but you get it.

Only after I remembered there's two Bradley's.

[Guest]

The problem with that is that Arizona is in love with Dylan Bundy and will get 2 cracks at him. I'd be really disappointed if neither Archie Bradley or Bundy are there at 9.

[Rob]

The problem with that is that Arizona is in love with Dylan Bundy and will get 2 cracks at him. I'd be really disappointed if neither Archie Bradley or Bundy are there at 9.

 

Bundy is going to be expensive though, and they do need to be a bit cost conscious with the #7 pick as it's unprotected for next year. I think the hope for us is that they decide to cheap out there.

[Guest]

A look at which college players have the statistical profile lending themselves to MLB success.

 

http://projectprospect.com/article/2011/06/05/2011-rendon-leaders

 

 

14 guys make the list, with Rendon, Springer, and Mahtook topping it.

[KingCubsFan]

If Rendon doesn't go at 2, is there any chance he falls to 9? I guess my hope is that teams that haven't scouted him extensively will be turned off my medical reports they haven't studied carefully.

[Rob]

If Rendon doesn't go at 2, is there any chance he falls to 9? I guess my hope is that teams that haven't scouted him extensively will be turned off my medical reports they haven't studied carefully.

 

I can't imagine he'd sneak past the Washington. But if they're taking Rendon, odds are Starling would fall to us at 9.

[davell]

If Lindor does wind up going 2nd somehow, I fully expect Baltimore would take Rendon at 4. I don't see Washington having their choice of Rendon or Starling.

[RammyFanny]

Law:

http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/draft/2011/insider/columns/story?columnist=law_keith&page=LawMockDraft4.0

 

1) Cole

2) Rendon

3) Bauer

This seems solid now after they looked at a number of options, including Dylan Bundy and Archie Bradley.

4) Archie Bradley

Could still be Danny Hultzen here, but late word has them working on Bradley after Hultzen's big contract demand came out.

5) Bundy

6) Starling

I'm told that if he gets here, he stops here.

7) Hultzen

8) Jed Bradley

9) Baez

They'll take Starling if he gets here, but it's sounding increasingly less likely. Scouting director Tim Wilken likes to go off the board, although Baez wouldn't be that controversial a pick here, and he has the kind of huge upside that Wilken typically likes to draft.

 

Doesn't really sound like he has a good lead on us.

 

I don't know how much stock i'd put into this. Dream scenario for Arizona. Not sure if Washington passes on Hultzen. Not sure why Bundy wasn't even mentioned in Baltimore's blurb. Pretty much a wort case for us. We need Bradley there at least.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So I was reading something written last November that said no player from the 2012 draft class would even break this year's top 10. Was that true/is that still true?

[Rob]

Callis just put up another 1st round projections... subscriber only. Anybody care to help out?

[RammyFanny]

Callis just put up another 1st round projections... subscriber only. Anybody care to help out?

I'm not a subscriber anymore but I heard he has Bubba falling to us.

1. Cole

2. Rendon

3. Bauer

4. Archie Bradley

5. Dylan Bundy

6. Danny Hultzen

7. Matt Barnes

8. Jed Bradley

9. Bubba Starling

[Guest]

So I was reading something written last November that said no player from the 2012 draft class would even break this year's top 10. Was that true/is that still true?

 

I suck at reading.

 

Certainly none of the college kids would crack this year's top 10. I think a few of the HS kids might but it's tougher to project them even 1 year out since they're still 16. The top HS kids are RHP Lance McCullers (FL), OF Nick Williams (TX), 3B Trey Williams (CA) and RHP Lucas Giolito (CA).

[SouthSideRyan]

So I was reading something written last November that said no player from the 2012 draft class would even break this year's top 10. Was that true/is that still true?

 

That seems absurd to say at any time, whether it was last November or now. Bryce Harper, Jameson Taillon and Manny Machado all would be in this year's top 10. Harper would go #1 though Cole, Rendon and Bundy (and arguably Bauer) are better thought of then Taillon and Machado.

 

Check that one more time.

[Guest]

I'm going to post the premium part of BA's mock, picks 4-9, since it shows Callis' logic. He's not very confident:

 

4. ORIOLES: Perhaps because of the exorbitant asking prices of Bundy ($30 million big league deal) and Hultzen ($13 million), Baltimore is looking at the other stud Oklahoma prep righthander, Archie Bradley. He has a leverage in the form of the opportunity to play quarterback at Oklahoma, but that also means his bonus can be spread over five years under provisions for two-sport athletes. The Orioles would love a shot at Bauer.

Projected Pick: Archie Bradley.

 

5. ROYALS: Kansas City suddenly gets to choose between Bundy and Hultzen after not expecting either to be on the board. The Royals want an advanced arm, and Bundy qualifies despite being a high schooler. If they opt for a bat, they could take Lindor over Starling.

Projected Pick: Dylan Bundy.

 

6. NATIONALS: Before the upheaval at the top of the draft, Washington was just going to wait to see which one of the six elite players would get here. Now the Nationals are going to have multiple options, and it will hard to pass on Hultzen, a local product.

Projected Pick: Danny Hultzen.

 

7. DIAMONDBACKS: Arizona's dream would be to somehow get Bauer and Hultzen, but that doesn't seem possible. They could get their pick of the next tier of college pitchers, a choice that would come down to Matt Barnes (Connecticut) and Sonny Gray (Vanderbilt). They also have interest in Lindor. This pick is unprotected, compensation for not signing first-rounder Barret Loux a year ago, so signability is an issue.

Projected Pick: Matt Barnes.

 

8. INDIANS: Cleveland might suddenly be faced with a decision on whether to take Starling, who is a better prospect than fellow two-sport star Donavan Tate, who got $6.25 million as the No. 3 overall pick in 2009. The Indians haven't taken a high school first-rounder since 2001. Grabbing Archie Bradley would be an easier call, and if he's gone they may go with a college arm such as Georgia Tech lefthander Jed Bradley, Texas righty Taylor Jungmann or Gray.

Projected Pick: Jed Bradley.

 

9. CUBS: Chicago will take a high-ceiling player, and no one has a higher ceiling than Starling. Other candidates include Archie Bradley or Lindor. If Rendon's shoulder injury starts driving teams away, this could be his landing spot.

Projected Pick: Bubba Starling.

 

Hultzen is falling because of bonus demands. Even Rendon at 2 is no sure thing.

 

About 1-2 hours before the draft, picks 2-5 should fall in place.

 

Fyi, Law said on his Twitter he's changing a few of his picks again (not the Cubs').