Can we please trade Silva and Gorz and Lilly?

[RegulusBlue]

Pretty please?

 

Just a few more losses and we can be out of the playoff picture far enough that we may get a chance to sell very high on some pitchers that don't factor into the future of the team. Seriously, Silva is lightning in a bottle. Cheap pitcher who's figured it out again (gotten lucky or something) that we can flip to some contender or foolish other guy.

 

I haven't rooted against winning this hard in a long time, because we could really stock up the farm system and give Castro some younger fellas to play with. In addition, if we grab a couple corner INF types, we may even be able to make some run at the division, given that Lee and Aramis have quite literally cut the heart out of this team's offense. Could you imagine turning some good luck in those three pitchers into 3-5 prospects for a change? My heart is practically fluttering at the thought.

 

How about Silva and Theriot for Gordon? Heard that one here yesterday, loved it.

[dew1679666265]

I have no real interest in trading Gorzelanny unless somebody overpays quite a bit. He's still relatively cheap and young and has been very productive as a Cub. I don't see a great benefit in trading him – barring somebody overpaying, that is. As for Silva, his value probably isn't up enough to get any kind of value for him. We might get some salary relief if we trade him now, but if we want to maximize his value (or, at least, have a chance to) we probably need to wait until the offseason and hope he performs well the remainder of the year.

 

As for Lilly, if he'll waive his no-trade rights, I wouldn't be opposed to trading him.

[CUBZ99]

I think it is time for Ricketts to seriously look at blowing up the current team and maximizing the trade value of several players. Despite a generally poor performance as a team, there are several players that should look inviting to other teams.

 

Lilly -- Has recovered nicely from shoulder surgery and seems to have not missed a beat. Due to the surplus of starting pitchers in the rotation and this being his last year, I got to believe that some team would overpay in prospects to have him for the rest of the year. I doubt the Cubs will be able to resign him in the offseason anyways, considering his production over the life of his contract.

 

Lee -- Although his average is down, his OBP is still decent, his defense is spectacular and there would be some team that would give good value.

 

Dempster -- Although it would never happen under a Hendry regime, the Cubs could realize some serious salary relief by dealing him, and they should be able to get some great prospects.

 

Theriot -- As mentioned earlier in the thread, would be an ideal trade candidate.

 

Fukudome -- He only has 1 1/2 years left on his contract and has put up some decent #'s this year. A team that values OBP might be willing to shell out for him.

[SouthSideRyan]

Why would we want to be rid of Dempster's contract?

[Old Style]

Who would want Theriot?

[davearm2]

If Gorzellany doesn't factor into the future of the team, then couldn't the same be said of guys like Soto, Marmol, and Marshall?

 

All have similar service time.

[biittner77]

As for Silva, his value probably isn't up enough to get any kind of value for him. We might get some salary relief if we trade him now, but if we want to maximize his value (or, at least, have a chance to) we probably need to wait until the offseason and hope he performs well the remainder of the year.

 

I'm not so sure that's true. He's pitching well now. No team is going to build around Silva as an anchor to their rotation but a team in the hunt would definitely want him to fill out the back end of their rotation.

 

Keep in mind also that a lot of GMs are old fashioned enough to like that 7-0 W-L record. Sadly, Jim Hendry is probably one of those dumb GMs and will deem him untouchable.

[dew1679666265]

As for Silva, his value probably isn't up enough to get any kind of value for him. We might get some salary relief if we trade him now, but if we want to maximize his value (or, at least, have a chance to) we probably need to wait until the offseason and hope he performs well the remainder of the year.

 

I'm not so sure that's true. He's pitching well now. No team is going to build around Silva as an anchor to their rotation but a team in the hunt would definitely want him to fill out the back end of their rotation.

 

Keep in mind also that a lot of GMs are old fashioned enough to like that 7-0 W-L record. Sadly, Jim Hendry is probably one of those dumb GMs and will deem him untouchable.

 

The trade deadline would probably be a good time to start actively shopping him. I just wonder if Hendry started making a big effort to trade him now, if some GMs might get the idea that Hendry/Lou/Rothschild – the guys who "fixed" him – don't believe he'll continue to remain "fixed." You probably are right, though, that his W/L record could have some GMs very interested right now.

 

I just feel like we could get more for him if we wait until at least the deadline to start actively shopping him.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Ya can't trade Cy Silva !!! In the first place, the CUBS haven't lost a game that Silva started since 09 April !! That's almost 2 months !!! In the second place, the CUBS score 6.50 RPG when Silva pitches and 3.65 RPG when he doesn't. If they trade Silva they'd have no offense at all, being on a pace to score 591 runs all season !!!

 

 

LONG LIVE CY SILVA !!!

[dew1679666265]

Ya can't trade Cy Silva !!! In the first place, the CUBS haven't lost a game that Silva started since 09 April !! That's almost 2 months !!! In the second place, the CUBS score 6.50 RPG when Silva pitches and 3.65 RPG when he doesn't. If they trade Silva they'd have no offense at all, being on a pace to score 591 runs all season !!!

 

 

LONG LIVE CY SILVA !!!

 

Maybe we could try Theriot as a pitcher.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Ya can't trade Cy Silva !!! In the first place, the CUBS haven't lost a game that Silva started since 09 April !! That's almost 2 months !!! In the second place, the CUBS score 6.50 RPG when Silva pitches and 3.65 RPG when he doesn't. If they trade Silva they'd have no offense at all, being on a pace to score 591 runs all season !!!

 

 

LONG LIVE CY SILVA !!!

 

Maybe we could try Theriot as a pitcher.

 

Theriot you can trade, eh?

[Irrelevant Dude]

Lilly -- Has recovered nicely from shoulder surgery and seems to have not missed a beat. Due to the surplus of starting pitchers in the rotation and this being his last year, I got to believe that some team would overpay in prospects to have him for the rest of the year. I doubt the Cubs will be able to resign him in the offseason anyways, considering his production over the life of his contract.

I like the idea of trading Lilly, especially considering we already have a cheap replacement in Gorzellany.

[Guest]

I believe Silva's first name is Carlos.

 

 

Dealing Lilly or Silva would be fine with me, both are pitching well and would have value to a contender and aren't signed long term.

 

Gorzelanny should be looked at as a rotation staple instead of "sell high" fodder.

 

Trade Theriot as fast as you possibly can.

 

Dempster and Lee are the line for me. You could probably get some future pieces for them, but there's no one close to Lee in the system or on the FA market this winter, and there's no way you're duplicating Dempster's production within the system for a couple years, at least with any certainty. I'd rather not have the level of talent erode that far.

[dew1679666265]

Ya can't trade Cy Silva !!! In the first place, the CUBS haven't lost a game that Silva started since 09 April !! That's almost 2 months !!! In the second place, the CUBS score 6.50 RPG when Silva pitches and 3.65 RPG when he doesn't. If they trade Silva they'd have no offense at all, being on a pace to score 591 runs all season !!!

 

 

LONG LIVE CY SILVA !!!

 

Maybe we could try Theriot as a pitcher.

 

Theriot you can trade, eh?

 

Theriot can fill Silva's role if we trade Silva. Theriot could be the guy who wills the offense to score and wills the team to victories when he's on the mound.

[dew1679666265]

there's no one close to Lee in the system or on the FA market this winter

 

You don't consider Prince Fielder to be close to Lee's production? Or did I (and Cot's) miss an extension he signed?

[Guest]

there's no one close to Lee in the system or on the FA market this winter

 

You don't consider Prince Fielder to be close to Lee's production? Or did I (and Cot's) miss an extension he signed?

 

Okay, aside from grossly overpaying in a long term contract to a similar overall player whose skillset promises to age poorly, there is no one close to Lee on the FA market.

[Fred Hornkohl]

I believe Silva's first name is Carlos.

 

I believe Denton Young's first name wasn't Cy either. So what's your point ?? :wink:

[dew1679666265]

there's no one close to Lee in the system or on the FA market this winter

 

You don't consider Prince Fielder to be close to Lee's production? Or did I (and Cot's) miss an extension he signed?

 

Okay, aside from grossly overpaying in a long term contract to a similar overall player whose skillset promises to age poorly, there is no one close to Lee on the FA market.

 

He's only 26 this year. Give him a 5-year contract that will run through his age 31 season and I don't think that's too far into his "old age" years to really bite us that hard. Money would be the question for me as I have no idea what he'll be asking (but would figure he'll be looking for $17-18 mil pretty easily).

[jersey cubs fan]

Dempster and Lee are the line for me. You could probably get some future pieces for them, but there's no one close to Lee in the system or on the FA market this winter, and there's no way you're duplicating Dempster's production within the system for a couple years, at least with any certainty. I'd rather not have the level of talent erode that far.

 

So you are advocating signing Lee to an extension?

 

He's going to be a 35 year old first basemen with 2 great seasons in his career, coming off 2 of 3 disappointing seasons (assuming he doesn't completely catch fire this year). I think you have to strongly consider letting him walk unless he's willing to take a one year deal with a paycut.

[Guest]

Dempster and Lee are the line for me. You could probably get some future pieces for them, but there's no one close to Lee in the system or on the FA market this winter, and there's no way you're duplicating Dempster's production within the system for a couple years, at least with any certainty. I'd rather not have the level of talent erode that far.

 

So you are advocating signing Lee to an extension?

 

He's going to be a 35 year old first basemen with 2 great seasons in his career, coming off 2 of 3 disappointing seasons (assuming he doesn't completely catch fire this year). I think you have to strongly consider letting him walk unless he's willing to take a one year deal with a paycut.

 

I didn't say to extend him, but if you trade him away there's pretty much zero chance he'll come back regardless of the length of the deal. There aren't any great options right now unless there's some sort of trade FOR a 1B, especially since Ramirez's awfulness means you can't even consider moving him over there.

[jersey cubs fan]

Dempster and Lee are the line for me. You could probably get some future pieces for them, but there's no one close to Lee in the system or on the FA market this winter, and there's no way you're duplicating Dempster's production within the system for a couple years, at least with any certainty. I'd rather not have the level of talent erode that far.

 

So you are advocating signing Lee to an extension?

 

He's going to be a 35 year old first basemen with 2 great seasons in his career, coming off 2 of 3 disappointing seasons (assuming he doesn't completely catch fire this year). I think you have to strongly consider letting him walk unless he's willing to take a one year deal with a paycut.

 

I didn't say to extend him, but if you trade him away there's pretty much zero chance he'll come back regardless of the length of the deal. There aren't any great options right now unless there's some sort of trade FOR a 1B, especially since Ramirez's awfulness means you can't even consider moving him over there.

 

Okay, but if you aren't going to bring him back next year, what is the point in not trading him?

[Guest]

Dempster and Lee are the line for me. You could probably get some future pieces for them, but there's no one close to Lee in the system or on the FA market this winter, and there's no way you're duplicating Dempster's production within the system for a couple years, at least with any certainty. I'd rather not have the level of talent erode that far.

 

So you are advocating signing Lee to an extension?

 

He's going to be a 35 year old first basemen with 2 great seasons in his career, coming off 2 of 3 disappointing seasons (assuming he doesn't completely catch fire this year). I think you have to strongly consider letting him walk unless he's willing to take a one year deal with a paycut.

 

I didn't say to extend him, but if you trade him away there's pretty much zero chance he'll come back regardless of the length of the deal. There aren't any great options right now unless there's some sort of trade FOR a 1B, especially since Ramirez's awfulness means you can't even consider moving him over there.

 

Okay, but if you aren't going to bring him back next year, what is the point in not trading him?

 

If you want him as a stop gap, then you can offer arbitration and minimize the difference in return from trading him. Also, trading Lee in July(if anyone wants him, he's OPSing .705) means you have zero options for 1B going into the offseason, which is bad news for trading for one in a weak 1B FA market. Like I said, there aren't any great options, which is why I suggested trading for a AAAA 1B like Kila from KC in that other thread, just to have some sort of fallback plan.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Maybe Gorz and Theriot plus another prospect would land us Alex Goirdon, but as for Sila, he's not exactly the type of player a team like the Royals would want

[soapy]

Gozelanny doesn't get nearly enough credit. No way would I be looking to "sell high" on him. He's someone they should be inking into the rotation for the next few years. Considering what they're likely to get for him now, I wouldn't be looking to move him at all. Seems like SP is a place where the Cubs actually have a good chance of getting some relatively cheap production in the near future with Wells, Gorzelanny, Cashner and Jackson.

 

I'd be fine trading Sliva or Lilly.

[davearm2]

there's no one close to Lee in the system or on the FA market this winter

 

You don't consider Prince Fielder to be close to Lee's production? Or did I (and Cot's) miss an extension he signed?

The Brewers control Fielder through 2011. This is not his walk year.

 

He is slated to hit FA at the same time as Adrian Gonzalez.