Bulls Offseason Thread

[Derwood]

LeBron:Wade::Pippen:Jordan

 

completely incorrect

 

- James is better than Wade

- Pippen wasn't ever considered best in the league

- Pippen didn't win 2 MVP's on his own team before joining Jordan

- James is really, really better than Wade

[rawaction]

LeBron:Wade::Pippen:Jordan

 

Are you saying Lebron is to Wade as Pippen was to Jordan?

[SouthSideRyan]

wsup buddies

 

anyone wanna give me the condensed version of the last 8 hours

 

Everybody hates me

[SouthSideRyan]

If LeBron wants to win, he'll go to Miami. Period.

 

Who cares if Wade and Bosh are already there? Do people question Magic Johnson's legacy because he played with Kareem?

 

Or Chicago, and he wouldn't have to call players begging them to take a pay cut to play with them.

 

Chicago is deeper, but no one on the Bulls roster is as good as Wade or Bosh

 

Boozer isn't much of a drop off from Bosh.

 

Bosh plays defense.

[Banedon]

If LeBron wants to win, he'll go to Miami. Period.

 

Who cares if Wade and Bosh are already there? Do people question Magic Johnson's legacy because he played with Kareem?

 

Or Chicago, and he wouldn't have to call players begging them to take a pay cut to play with them.

 

Chicago is deeper, but no one on the Bulls roster is as good as Wade or Bosh

 

Boozer isn't much of a drop off from Bosh.

 

Bosh plays defense.

 

Being 6'11" (or whatever he is) does help him in that department, no doubt.

[SouthSideRyan]

LeBron:Wade::Pippen:Jordan

 

Fall down hilarious.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

Boozer isn't much of a drop off from Bosh.

 

Bosh plays defense.

 

 

Being 6'11" (or whatever he is) does help him in that department, no doubt.

 

I would guess Boozer improves in that regard under Thibodeaux, (and having a better defensive center at his side) but it's not like Jerry Sloan is some bum. If he couldn't get Boozer to give max effort on the defensive side, I kinda doubt a rookie head coach can.

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Boozer isn't much of a drop off from Bosh.

 

Bosh plays defense.

 

 

Being 6'11" (or whatever he is) does help him in that department, no doubt.

 

I would guess Boozer improves in that regard under Thibodeaux, (and having a better defensive center at his side) but it's not like Jerry Sloan is some bum. If he couldn't get Boozer to give max effort on the defensive side, I kinda doubt a rookie head coach can.

 

Is Bosh's defense better than Noah's? I guess I'm trying to determine if Noah's defense/effort + Boozer's offense is better than Bosh + whatever the Heat have at PF/C (Beasley?).

[Old Style]

LeBron:Wade::Pippen:Jordan

 

Fall down hilarious.

OK, that was a stretch. A better comparison may be A-Rod & Jeter. One is obviously the better player but is still not the star of his team or the city.

[RedFlash]

Except Broussard wouldn't be a puppet and this wouldn't be a smokescreen if he were reporting James to the Bulls. Then you guys would be talking about how he was the first to report Wade/Bosh. And he would be a classy guy, best in the business.

 

Yes it would, because unless Broussard sources are either James, Carter, or Leon Rose, I really doubt his sources know what it going on. They may have an idea, but there not 100% sure which way he leaning. And to report that as a "done deal" is simply bad reporting. Throw in the fact why woud ESPN allow one of it's employees to give the secret before the special? And with James and crew closing ranks the past 24-48 hours, I doubt any sources info, including sources that would have the Bulls in the lead. Throw in the fact that his reporting seems to be piggybacking off Alan Hahn who shortly after reporting it, began back off on it, tells me that Hahn prolly misheard the info.

 

Look, I am not discounting the possibility of James to Miami, I'm really not, but IDK it just doesn't seem to be too good to happen. Info leaked right now before the special is more likely then not to be false information. Could it happen? Yes. Will it happen? I would say no, but stranger things have happen.

 

I just don't trust any sources right now cause I doubt their info is correct. It was easy to predict Wade/Bosh to Miami when that cat was let out of the bag a long time ago. Not exactly breaking news. I geniunely don't think Broussard knows what going on with James and his is going by idol gossip moreso then facts.

[bukie]

Plus, Bosh is likely to improve going forward, and Boozer may have already peaked as a player. (I suppose a similar thing could be said about Rose-Wade, but they're not on the same plane right now).

 

Whoever LeBron signs with will be a favorite. According to Basketball Prospectus, based on projected WARP, LeBron + 4 average players would be expected to win 82.8% of their games next year (67 win season). Wade has the second biggest projected effect (among free agents), turning an average starting 5 into a projected 62 win team.

 

Granted, with Wade, LeBron and Bosh on the Heat, the remaining players would likely be below average, so it's not like it's an automatic 70 wins, but each of James, Wade and Bosh are projected to provide a huge boost to a team (significantly more than any of the other free agents).

 

For comparison's sake, Joe Johnson projects to turn an average starting 5 into a 45 win team.

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LeBron:Wade::Pippen:Jordan

 

Fall down hilarious.

OK, that was a stretch. A better comparison may be A-Rod & Jeter. One is obviously the better player but is still not the star of his team or the city.

 

better comparison, but the difference in individual impact on the game/season makes it yet a stretch. ARod also isn't the global phenomenon that James is. In fact, Jeter is a bigger global star than ARod, even though ARod is a significantly better player. So that comparison really isn't any better.

 

I'm not sure there is a good comparison.

[RedFlash]

Bosh plays defense.

 

He's required to play defense, it's just not good defense. None of the PF that were/are on the market are considered strong defenders.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

Boozer isn't much of a drop off from Bosh.

 

Bosh plays defense.

 

 

Being 6'11" (or whatever he is) does help him in that department, no doubt.

 

I would guess Boozer improves in that regard under Thibodeaux, (and having a better defensive center at his side) but it's not like Jerry Sloan is some bum. If he couldn't get Boozer to give max effort on the defensive side, I kinda doubt a rookie head coach can.

 

Is Bosh's defense better than Noah's? I guess I'm trying to determine if Noah's defense/effort + Boozer's offense is better than Bosh + whatever the Heat have at PF/C (Beasley?).

 

Well, I don't think they'd have Beasley if they have James, so the Bulls combo should be an easy win over Bosh/whatever veteran is looking for a ring. (Is PJ Brown still alive?) But of course Dwyane Wade is a hell of a lot better than Rose.

[Guest]

Bosh plays defense.

 

He's required to play defense, it's just not good defense. None of the PF that were/are on the market are considered strong defenders.

 

Bosh is a much better defender with the potential of being an elite defender. The length makes the world of difference. Boozer won't even try plus he doesn't have great physical skills.

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Is Bosh's defense better than Noah's? I guess I'm trying to determine if Noah's defense/effort + Boozer's offense is better than Bosh + whatever the Heat have at PF/C (Beasley?).

 

Well, I don't think they'd have Beasley if they have James, so the Bulls combo should be an easy win over Bosh/whatever veteran is looking for a ring. (Is PJ Brown still alive?) But of course Dwyane Wade is a hell of a lot better than Rose.

 

well, yeah, but that wasn't really the discussion. I'm looking at a pretty narrow piece of it. Rose is clearly no Wade. But whatever fills out the rest of the Heat roster probably isn't going to be as good as the rest of the Bulls roster. But it's pretty hard to predict which veterans would sign up to ride with James, Wade, and Bosh to several titles in Miami. If they can convince some solid guys to join them, it could be a bloodbath.

[jersey cubs fan]

LeBron:Wade::Pippen:Jordan

 

Fall down hilarious.

OK, that was a stretch. A better comparison may be A-Rod & Jeter. One is obviously the better player but is still not the star of his team or the city.

 

better comparison, but the difference in individual impact on the game/season makes it yet a stretch. ARod also isn't the global phenomenon that James is. In fact, Jeter is a bigger global star than ARod, even though ARod is a significantly better player. So that comparison really isn't any better.

 

I'm not sure there is a good comparison.

 

I think it's a pretty good comparison. ARod was huge before he went to NY, the biggest star in baseball. But going to NY actually made his star diminish somewhat.

 

Jeter wasn't even the biggest star on the Yankees while they were winning rings. Bernie Williams took a lot of the praise during the 90's WS run, Mariano plus various starting pitchers took some as well.

[Wilson A2000]

LeBron:Wade::Pippen:Jordan

 

Fall down hilarious.

 

It must have been a chiasm.

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LeBron:Wade::Pippen:Jordan

 

Fall down hilarious.

OK, that was a stretch. A better comparison may be A-Rod & Jeter. One is obviously the better player but is still not the star of his team or the city.

 

better comparison, but the difference in individual impact on the game/season makes it yet a stretch. ARod also isn't the global phenomenon that James is. In fact, Jeter is a bigger global star than ARod, even though ARod is a significantly better player. So that comparison really isn't any better.

 

I'm not sure there is a good comparison.

 

I think it's a pretty good comparison. ARod was huge before he went to NY, the biggest star in baseball. But going to NY actually made his star diminish somewhat.

 

Jeter wasn't even the biggest star on the Yankees while they were winning rings. Bernie Williams took a lot of the praise during the 90's WS run, Mariano plus various starting pitchers took some as well.

 

I'm not talking about pub within the sport for being an important piece of the title runs. I'm saying Jeter was a bigger global icon. I can remember many Jeter commercials and print ads. I can only remember 1 with ARod and I think that was after he signed in NY. Heck - ARod was tabloid fodder b/c he was with Madonna and some manly chick(s). But Jeter's girlfriends have been many a Hollywood starlet. Jeter's the one you seen on E! or US Weekly or whatever.

 

Jeter is a bigger global icon outside of baseball circles and he was bigger before ARod, the far superior baseball player, joined him in NY. In this case, LeBron is the superior basketball player (it would appear) and he's the bigger global icon. Wade is a huge persona in Miami, but outside Southern Florida or maybe the state as a whole, he's nowhere near the public figure that LeBron is.

 

That's why I think the comparison breaks down. I think it's better than Jordan/Pippen, but not nearly the same.

[Formerly Snayke]

If they can convince some solid guys to join them, it could be a bloodbath.

 

This is why I don't think they can win the title, much less the Eastern Conference. Dwight Howard could put up 50 on Dexter Pittman. I don't know who they're going to bring in to fill out the roster, but if LeBron starts shooting left-handed free throws in protest of Paul Shirley being the sixth man, it'll be his own fault.

[Old Style]

Has Riley convinced LeBron that he will make sure no Heat players bang his mom?

[Tyrant]

Bosh is a much better defender with the potential of being an elite defender. The length makes the world of difference.

 

If he wants to be an elite defender, he could start by blocking more shots than his new 6'4" teammate.

[Old Style]

LeBron is soliciting questions on Twitter that he says he will answer tonight. Tag your question with #lebrondecision. I wonder how many will be submitted.

[Guest]

Has Riley convinced LeBron that he will make sure no Heat players bang his mom?

 

Best selling point of only having 4 players on your team.

[Roast]

Also on twitter, OchoCinco is lambasting LeBron for wanting to team up with other superstars to win a ring:

 

 

Kobe-Magic-Jordan-Bird all created legacies on their own teams, they didn't join together to make winning a ring easy #Lebronwilldodasame

 

nickname is #KingJames, Kings lead with the help of an army (supporting cast on team) a lead dog doesn't join supastars to make it easy

 

I dont even know why the [expletive] i am talking i dont have no damn rings myself,i am doing the best i can with the cards i was dealt #BENGALS

 

My last tweet Amare-Lebron, 1 more time Lebron-Amare, anybody who doesnt agree call me at 1-800-childplease