Bulls Offseason Thread

[Flames24Rulz]

If you can get Boozer to come here without taking the max, it's fine. But good luck doing that with some of these contracts that are being shelled out.

[17 Seconds]

we're fucked

 

at this point im almost just hoping he re-signs with cleveland. just keep him the [expletive] away from miami.

 

if the miami thing happens, this is worse than the mercer offseason.

[C.C.]

Free Agency Day One

 

http://docfunk.blogspot.com/2010/07/nba-free-agency-day-one.html

[C.C.]

A team source said the Knicks realize the primary way to win the LeBron Sweepstakes is for James to want part of the sizzle of New York.

 

"After the basketball issues, what's special about us is the city of New York,'' the source said. "On that, I got a good feeling. I think we showed him through the presentations and videos the energy and power of New York City. I thought our fans on the video did a great job.''

[Soul]

A team source said the Knicks realize the primary way to win the LeBron Sweepstakes is for James to want part of the sizzle of New York.

 

"After the basketball issues, what's special about us is the city of New York,'' the source said. "On that, I got a good feeling. I think we showed him through the presentations and videos the energy and power of New York City. I thought our fans on the video did a great job.''

 

LOL. Yeah. Time to go in another direction, NY.

[Soul]

we're [expletive]

 

at this point im almost just hoping he re-signs with cleveland. just keep him the [expletive] away from miami.

 

if the miami thing happens, this is worse than the mercer offseason.

 

If he goes back to Cleveland, it's not a big deal to me. I think we can improve to contender status without him if he's still there, with that club.

 

If he goes to Miami with Wade, then Miami is an instant contender. If they manage to pull Bosh with him, then look out -- that's a powerhouse.

 

If Miami scores the tri-fecta on this thing then I'll be pretty upset. I'll congratulate them and all, but I'll still be upset. I think all the other teams in the East will be, too.

[da bears]

so essentially a lot of the knicks presentation was to trash chicago? nice.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/22936942

[SouthSideRyan]

Channing Frye gets a 5y/30mm contract from Phoenix.

 

:lol:

That wasn't the worst contract handed out today. Darko Milicic got 4y/20M from Minnesota. :scratch:

 

And yet, Darko getting 4 years wasn't the worst deal of the day, the belongs to Rudy Gay.

 

Drew Gooden will play like 2 years of the contract he signed

[Guest]

so essentially a lot of the knicks presentation was to trash chicago? nice.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/22936942

 

I'm not really seeing that at all.

[da bears]

so essentially a lot of the knicks presentation was to trash chicago? nice.

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22748484/22936942

 

I'm not really seeing that at all.

Team by team breakdowns of the four factors and relevant takeaways. Cleveland is relevant based on the "hometown hero" concept. The study clearly is aimed not at trashing Cleveland (and offending LeBron), but taking out the rest of the competitors and looking better than Cleveland overall. Chicago and Miami bear the brunt, as Chicago is considered too volatile thanks to Jordan's shadow, and Miami is basically tossed aside as irrelevant.

 

okay youre probably right, trash is probably not the word as much as specifically point out chicagos shortcomings. not really surprising, but kinda funny.

[C.C.]

A PowerPoint slide titled “Chicago Bulls key takeaways” reads:

 

“Although Chicago offers the second highest maximum potential earnings, a higher threshold for creating a legacy lowers the likelihood of a player excelling at that level.

 

“LeBron James would have to perform close to the level of iconic player Michael Jordan to earn the same celebrity status that he could more easily attain in other markets.

 

“Chicago has the 2nd highest earnings ceiling of any market. James earnings could exceed one billion dollars, under optimal circumstances. However this is statistically improbable.

[C.C.]

Brian Windhorst PDcavsinsider

 

Here's what I hear from yesterday: LeBron interested in Nets pitch but not so much NY. NY trying at moment to secure Amare' to help cause

[da bears]

A PowerPoint slide titled “Chicago Bulls key takeaways” reads:

 

“Although Chicago offers the second highest maximum potential earnings, a higher threshold for creating a legacy lowers the likelihood of a player excelling at that level.

 

“LeBron James would have to perform close to the level of iconic player Michael Jordan to earn the same celebrity status that he could more easily attain in other markets.

 

“Chicago has the 2nd highest earnings ceiling of any market. James earnings could exceed one billion dollars, under optimal circumstances. However this is statistically improbable.

how the hell does that first point make any sense?

[Guest]

A PowerPoint slide titled “Chicago Bulls key takeaways” reads:

 

“Although Chicago offers the second highest maximum potential earnings, a higher threshold for creating a legacy lowers the likelihood of a player excelling at that level.

 

“LeBron James would have to perform close to the level of iconic player Michael Jordan to earn the same celebrity status that he could more easily attain in other markets.

 

“Chicago has the 2nd highest earnings ceiling of any market. James earnings could exceed one billion dollars, under optimal circumstances. However this is statistically improbable.

how the hell does that first point make any sense?

 

What they're saying is that the total value LeBron will receive is tied to the legacy in that city. If he wins 5 titles in New York, the biggest market in the country, where no one has done anything near that before, then he's going to make bank. Conversely, if he wins 5 titles in Chicago, a smaller market where someone has already won 6 titles before, then he doesn't have as much brand strength.

[Derwood]

and if LeBron is more concerned with brand strength than winning, it's pretty clear that his priorities are screwed up

[da bears]

A PowerPoint slide titled “Chicago Bulls key takeaways” reads:

 

“Although Chicago offers the second highest maximum potential earnings, a higher threshold for creating a legacy lowers the likelihood of a player excelling at that level.

 

“LeBron James would have to perform close to the level of iconic player Michael Jordan to earn the same celebrity status that he could more easily attain in other markets.

 

“Chicago has the 2nd highest earnings ceiling of any market. James earnings could exceed one billion dollars, under optimal circumstances. However this is statistically improbable.

how the hell does that first point make any sense?

 

What they're saying is that the total value LeBron will receive is tied to the legacy in that city. If he wins 5 titles in New York, the biggest market in the country, where no one has done anything near that before, then he's going to make bank. Conversely, if he wins 5 titles in Chicago, a smaller market where someone has already won 6 titles before, then he doesn't have as much brand strength.

so basically they told him that hes not as good as michael jordan and wont be in the future?

[Guest]

so basically they told him that hes not as good as michael jordan and wont be in the future?

 

What they said was that you can make a killing without being Michael Jordan in New York. In Chicago you have to be Michael Jordan in order to have a chance to match New York's earning potential.

[Magnetic Curses]

I'm hearing rumblings of a Chris Bosh S&T for Gibson, Picks and Trade Exceptions...

The Bulls would only clear about $1 Million off the cap by dealing Taj Gibson. Unless they can get someone to take Deng, I don't see how the Bulls could sign & trade for Bosh and still have money left over for LeBron. Am I missing something here?

 

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1024789&start=15

 

here's the link to the realgm discussion. i tend to trust sham as i've known him longer than anyone here and he's mad smart with these things.

[Tracer Bullet]

so basically they told him that hes not as good as michael jordan and wont be in the future?

 

What they said was that you can make a killing without being Michael Jordan in New York. In Chicago you have to be Michael Jordan in order to have a chance to match New York's earning potential.

 

Right and I think more than that. I think they said, in Chicago, you have to be better than Michael Jordan and you still may not earn as much as you would by being in NY and not being as good as Michael Jordan.

 

I don't think it's the pitch I'd make to a kid that has multiple tattoos touting his greatness all over his body.

[Magnetic Curses]

i don't think there's much chance at this point that lebron goes to new york. so stop wishing it true.

[RedFlash]

we're [expletive]

 

at this point im almost just hoping he re-signs with cleveland. just keep him the [expletive] away from miami.

 

if the miami thing happens, this is worse than the mercer offseason.

 

James to Miami will not happen. Being a 2nd fiddle does not fit in his Global Icon obsession. Interested in the idea, but the only time you will ever see Wade/Bosh/James on the same team is either on the Eastern Conference Team, or Team USA. James isn't talking less money to become a 2nd fiddle. I don't know why people are scared of these scenerio. It's a possibility, not a good one, but a pipedream. James, it's still either Cleveland or Chicago everybody else is just media creation to keep the drama up.

 

I'm hoping this is your "Blackhawks jinx", dex, I really do. If it is..................keep it up.

[SouthSideRyan]

and if LeBron is more concerned with brand strength than winning, it's pretty clear that his priorities are screwed up

 

I keep saying he should sign for 1M. The prick.

[SouthSideRyan]

so basically they told him that hes not as good as michael jordan and wont be in the future?

 

What they said was that you can make a killing without being Michael Jordan in New York. In Chicago you have to be Michael Jordan in order to have a chance to match New York's earning potential.

 

I'd say you have to be better than Michael Jordan in order to match that earning potential. Jordan's already been done, you have to one-up him.

 

ETA: I think it's a flawed argument, he'll make his money whether he's in NYC, Chicago, Cleveland, Jersey, or Miami. Arguing that point from the side of being an icon makes a lot more sense.

Edited July 2, 2010 by SouthSideRyan

[jersey cubs fan]

so basically they told him that hes not as good as michael jordan and wont be in the future?

 

What they said was that you can make a killing without being Michael Jordan in New York. In Chicago you have to be Michael Jordan in order to have a chance to match New York's earning potential.

 

Right and I think more than that. I think they said, in Chicago, you have to be better than Michael Jordan and you still may not earn as much as you would by being in NY and not being as good as Michael Jordan.

 

I don't think it's the pitch I'd make to a kid that has multiple tattoos touting his greatness all over his body.

 

I don't really get the idea that his NY earnings potential is higher than his Chicago earnings potential. It's not like he's doing personal appearances at local malls and card shows. His big earnings are going to come from a lifetime of gatorade/nike type ads, and those are going to be there whether he wins in NY or wins in Chicago. Derek Jeter didn't struggle to make money in NY with a lot less WS success than Mickey Mantle.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Of the top-earners in sports endorsements, how many of them are based in New York?