2010 NBA Draft/Lottery

[bukie]

Here's a good place for discussion of the draft lottery, so we can avoid confusion in the other thread from teams that aren't in the playoffs.

[SouthSideRyan]

Yao Ming is never going to be healthy again. Stop using his predictable injuries as excuses for why the Rockets aren't good.

[CubbieBum]

Yao Ming is never going to be healthy again. Stop using his predictable injuries as excuses for why the Rockets aren't good.

 

Yeah cause he's always missed a full season. He's played in a majority of games in every season and played 77 games before missing this entire season. Will he ever be as healthy as he was in his first three seasons, probably not but it's moronic to say that his missing the season didn't play a role in the Rockets only winning 42 games this season.

 

Oh and the 42 wins I consider a huge victory. Brooks proved to be the real deal, Martin is a good player that got Ariza to realize he isn't ever going to be more than a defensive stopper who can shoot 3-pters, Scola stepped up huge at the end of the season, Budinger proved to be a very undervalued player in last year's draft and Hill has good potential to be a good rebounder off the bench. All this sets us up to be very good next season (assuming we re-sign Scola) when we add Yao, a lottery pick and likely some 2nd round steal that we get every year with Morey.

[illiniguy]

Yao Ming is never going to be healthy again. Stop using his predictable injuries as excuses for why the Rockets aren't good.

 

Yeah cause he's always missed a full season. He's played in a majority of games in every season and played 77 games before missing this entire season. Will he ever be as healthy as he was in his first three seasons, probably not but it's moronic to say that his missing the season didn't play a role in the Rockets only winning 42 games this season.

 

Oh and the 42 wins I consider a huge victory. Brooks proved to be the real deal, Martin is a good player that got Ariza to realize he isn't ever going to be more than a defensive stopper who can shoot 3-pters, Scola stepped up huge at the end of the season, Budinger proved to be a very undervalued player in last year's draft and Hill has good potential to be a good rebounder off the bench. All this sets us up to be very good next season (assuming we re-sign Scola) when we add Yao, a lottery pick and likely some 2nd round steal that we get every year with Morey.

This lottery doesn't seem to be super deep, if you want to improve a ton you probably need to move up in it throught some luck.

[CubbieBum]

Yao Ming is never going to be healthy again. Stop using his predictable injuries as excuses for why the Rockets aren't good.

 

Yeah cause he's always missed a full season. He's played in a majority of games in every season and played 77 games before missing this entire season. Will he ever be as healthy as he was in his first three seasons, probably not but it's moronic to say that his missing the season didn't play a role in the Rockets only winning 42 games this season.

 

Oh and the 42 wins I consider a huge victory. Brooks proved to be the real deal, Martin is a good player that got Ariza to realize he isn't ever going to be more than a defensive stopper who can shoot 3-pters, Scola stepped up huge at the end of the season, Budinger proved to be a very undervalued player in last year's draft and Hill has good potential to be a good rebounder off the bench. All this sets us up to be very good next season (assuming we re-sign Scola) when we add Yao, a lottery pick and likely some 2nd round steal that we get every year with Morey.

This lottery doesn't seem to be super deep, if you want to improve a ton you probably need to move up in it throught some luck.

 

I don't expect to get a great player who will be a starter. The Rockets already have a great starting lineup assuming we re-sign Scola who has said he really wants to stay and Morey absolutely loves. No rookie is going to start over Brooks, Martin, Battier/Ariza, Scola and Yao.

 

I do expect to get a good bench player though who along with Lowry, Budinger, Ariza/Battier and Hill will give us one of the deepest teams.

[illiniguy]

Yao Ming is never going to be healthy again. Stop using his predictable injuries as excuses for why the Rockets aren't good.

 

Yeah cause he's always missed a full season. He's played in a majority of games in every season and played 77 games before missing this entire season. Will he ever be as healthy as he was in his first three seasons, probably not but it's moronic to say that his missing the season didn't play a role in the Rockets only winning 42 games this season.

 

Oh and the 42 wins I consider a huge victory. Brooks proved to be the real deal, Martin is a good player that got Ariza to realize he isn't ever going to be more than a defensive stopper who can shoot 3-pters, Scola stepped up huge at the end of the season, Budinger proved to be a very undervalued player in last year's draft and Hill has good potential to be a good rebounder off the bench. All this sets us up to be very good next season (assuming we re-sign Scola) when we add Yao, a lottery pick and likely some 2nd round steal that we get every year with Morey.

This lottery doesn't seem to be super deep, if you want to improve a ton you probably need to move up in it throught some luck.

 

I don't expect to get a great player who will be a starter. The Rockets already have a great starting lineup assuming we re-sign Scola who has said he really wants to stay and Morey absolutely loves. No rookie is going to start over Brooks, Martin, Battier/Ariza, Scola and Yao.

 

I do expect to get a good bench player though who along with Lowry, Budinger, Ariza/Battier and Hill will give us one of the deepest teams.

How do you have a great starting lineup? Utah is probably better at most if not all of the postitions and they are usually a 5 seed in the West?

[CubbieBum]

Yao Ming is never going to be healthy again. Stop using his predictable injuries as excuses for why the Rockets aren't good.

 

Yeah cause he's always missed a full season. He's played in a majority of games in every season and played 77 games before missing this entire season. Will he ever be as healthy as he was in his first three seasons, probably not but it's moronic to say that his missing the season didn't play a role in the Rockets only winning 42 games this season.

 

Oh and the 42 wins I consider a huge victory. Brooks proved to be the real deal, Martin is a good player that got Ariza to realize he isn't ever going to be more than a defensive stopper who can shoot 3-pters, Scola stepped up huge at the end of the season, Budinger proved to be a very undervalued player in last year's draft and Hill has good potential to be a good rebounder off the bench. All this sets us up to be very good next season (assuming we re-sign Scola) when we add Yao, a lottery pick and likely some 2nd round steal that we get every year with Morey.

This lottery doesn't seem to be super deep, if you want to improve a ton you probably need to move up in it throught some luck.

 

I don't expect to get a great player who will be a starter. The Rockets already have a great starting lineup assuming we re-sign Scola who has said he really wants to stay and Morey absolutely loves. No rookie is going to start over Brooks, Martin, Battier/Ariza, Scola and Yao.

 

I do expect to get a good bench player though who along with Lowry, Budinger, Ariza/Battier and Hill will give us one of the deepest teams.

How do you have a great starting lineup? Utah is probably better at most if not all of the postitions and they are usually a 5 seed in the West?

 

We won 53 games last year. Brooks is better than Rafer Alston, Kevin Martin is better than or equal to the Artest, T-Mac combo we had, Scola is quite a bit better than he was that year. Yao will likely be a little worse than he was that year and Battier/Ariza will be a little worse than Battier/Artest.

 

Next year we will have a 20 pts 5 assists (probably will go up with Yao) PG, a 20 pt SG, a great defender who can shoot 3-pters well at SF, a PF who averaged 16-9 and was amongst the top 5 in defensive rebounding rate this season and a 20-10 C. That is a pretty damn good starting lineup.

[illiniguy]

 

We won 53 games last year. Brooks is better than Rafer Alston, Kevin Martin is better than or equal to the Artest, T-Mac combo we had, Scola is quite a bit better than he was that year. Yao will likely be a little worse than he was that year and Battier/Ariza will be a little worse than Battier/Artest.

 

Next year we will have a 20 pts 5 assists (probably will go up with Yao) PG, a 20 pt SG, a great defender who can shoot 3-pters well at SF, a PF who averaged 16-9 and was amongst the top 5 in defensive rebounding rate this season and a 20-10 C. That is a pretty damn good starting lineup.

You are not going to have three guys score 20 a game? That's crazy.

[CubbieBum]

 

We won 53 games last year. Brooks is better than Rafer Alston, Kevin Martin is better than or equal to the Artest, T-Mac combo we had, Scola is quite a bit better than he was that year. Yao will likely be a little worse than he was that year and Battier/Ariza will be a little worse than Battier/Artest.

 

Next year we will have a 20 pts 5 assists (probably will go up with Yao) PG, a 20 pt SG, a great defender who can shoot 3-pters well at SF, a PF who averaged 16-9 and was amongst the top 5 in defensive rebounding rate this season and a 20-10 C. That is a pretty damn good starting lineup.

You are not going to have three guys score 20 a game? That's crazy.

 

I guess I wasn't clear. I wasn't meaning those are the stats they will put up. Those are the stats they have put up and are the type of players they are generally considered to be. I expect Brooks to score less but have more assists with Yao back. I expect Yao and Martin to be around 20 pts per game with Yao likely being just under because his minutes will be limited to around 30-32 minutes a game.

[illiniguy]

 

We won 53 games last year. Brooks is better than Rafer Alston, Kevin Martin is better than or equal to the Artest, T-Mac combo we had, Scola is quite a bit better than he was that year. Yao will likely be a little worse than he was that year and Battier/Ariza will be a little worse than Battier/Artest.

 

Next year we will have a 20 pts 5 assists (probably will go up with Yao) PG, a 20 pt SG, a great defender who can shoot 3-pters well at SF, a PF who averaged 16-9 and was amongst the top 5 in defensive rebounding rate this season and a 20-10 C. That is a pretty damn good starting lineup.

You are not going to have three guys score 20 a game? That's crazy.

 

I guess I wasn't clear. I wasn't meaning those are the stats they will put up. Those are the stats they have put up and are the type of players they are generally considered to be. I expect Brooks to score less but have more assists with Yao back. I expect Yao and Martin to be around 20 pts per game with Yao likely being just under because his minutes will be limited to around 30-32 minutes a game.

I would imagine that Brooks and Martin will both continue to be awful shooters, both around .430 or so thus nagating a lot of their points per game. I think that Ming will be a shell of what he was. He just missed a whole season with an injured wheel and isn't getting any younger. I think that with Ming back Socla will lose a lot of his offense, sense there are so many shots for a team and if you assume that the other two guard won't take a hit in their offense someone has to. I think you overachieved a lot this year and that some of the other teams in the West have the potential to gain on you more than you have to move up.

[imb]

the rockets will decline again and morey will leave for a real team

[CubbieBum]

 

We won 53 games last year. Brooks is better than Rafer Alston, Kevin Martin is better than or equal to the Artest, T-Mac combo we had, Scola is quite a bit better than he was that year. Yao will likely be a little worse than he was that year and Battier/Ariza will be a little worse than Battier/Artest.

 

Next year we will have a 20 pts 5 assists (probably will go up with Yao) PG, a 20 pt SG, a great defender who can shoot 3-pters well at SF, a PF who averaged 16-9 and was amongst the top 5 in defensive rebounding rate this season and a 20-10 C. That is a pretty damn good starting lineup.

You are not going to have three guys score 20 a game? That's crazy.

 

I guess I wasn't clear. I wasn't meaning those are the stats they will put up. Those are the stats they have put up and are the type of players they are generally considered to be. I expect Brooks to score less but have more assists with Yao back. I expect Yao and Martin to be around 20 pts per game with Yao likely being just under because his minutes will be limited to around 30-32 minutes a game.

I would imagine that Brooks and Martin will both continue to be awful shooters, both around .430 or so thus nagating a lot of their points per game. I think that Ming will be a shell of what he was. He just missed a whole season with an injured wheel and isn't getting any younger. I think that with Ming back Socla will lose a lot of his offense, sense there are so many shots for a team and if you assume that the other two guard won't take a hit in their offense someone has to. I think you overachieved a lot this year and that some of the other teams in the West have the potential to gain on you more than you have to move up.

 

I can see why someone has you stance but we played with the Lakers even after Yao went down in the playoffs so the 42-40 record is about what I expected.

 

I can also see why someone would think Scola will drop back closer to the 12.7 he averaged with Yao. However if you dig into his splits he didn't get over 30 minutes a game for the first 2+ months of that season. His averaged almost 14 pts a game over the last four months of the season while playing about 31 minutes a game. This year he averaged 16.2 in 32 minutes a game. Not much of a difference and you got to figure he is a bit better now then he was with Yao because he was in his first year as a full-time starter back then. He should also get more minutes next season because Landry is gone and he was splitting pretty evenly with Landry before with some C time worked in as well. He averaged 37+ minutes a game over the last two months of the season this year which was when Landry was traded. He averaged just under 20 pts in those two months. With Yao back I expect him to play 34-35 minutes a game but his average be right around what he ended up average overall this season which was the 16.2.

Edited April 15, 2010 by CubbieBum

[SouthSideRyan]

You're right I love the potential of a 7 foot 7 guy with foot problems.

[CubbieBum]

You're right I love the potential of a 7 foot 7 guy with foot problems.

 

Who is talking about potential? I'm talking about what his career points to which is 60-70 games. You are acting like he won';t play at all. 1 game with Yao is better than 0 games. Even if he can only play half the games that is still much better than what we had this year.

 

Oh and he is closer to 7'5" but listed at 7'6".

Edited April 15, 2010 by CubbieBum

[illiniguy]

You're right I love the potential of a 7 foot 7 guy with foot problems.

Name one center who hasn't been just as good if not better after having surgery on their feet. Hell It practically turned Bill Walton's career around.

[illiniguy]

You're right I love the potential of a 7 foot 7 guy with foot problems.

 

Who is talking about potential? I'm talking about what his career points to which is 60-70 games. You are acting like he won';t play at all. 1 game with Yao is better than 0 games. Even if he can only play half the games that is still much better than what we had this year.

Maybe, what if he throws off the chemistry of the team? He might not be able to play the same tempo that the rest of the Rockets want to play. At this point if I was a Rockets fan I wouldn't be expecting anything out of him and then just be suprised if he did anything. Guys over 7 feet that have leg problems generally don't give you much, think Ewing at the end of his career when he looked like he was running on ice.

[CubbieBum]

You're right I love the potential of a 7 foot 7 guy with foot problems.

Name one center who hasn't been just as good if not better after having surgery on their feet. Hell It practically turned Bill Walton's career around.

 

Zydrunas Ilgauskas.

 

Oh and their surgeries are very similiar.

 

One last thing, using guys who got injured decades ago as evidence is about the smartest thing I have ever seen. Modern medicine hasn't better whatsoever in 30 years.

[CubbieBum]

You're right I love the potential of a 7 foot 7 guy with foot problems.

 

Who is talking about potential? I'm talking about what his career points to which is 60-70 games. You are acting like he won';t play at all. 1 game with Yao is better than 0 games. Even if he can only play half the games that is still much better than what we had this year.

Maybe, what if he throws off the chemistry of the team? He might not be able to play the same tempo that the rest of the Rockets want to play. At this point if I was a Rockets fan I wouldn't be expecting anything out of him and then just be suprised if he did anything. Guys over 7 feet that have leg problems generally don't give you much, think Ewing at the end of his career when he looked like he was running on ice.

 

Ewing got old and broke down. Yao is still under 30. Definitely a chance he will never be what he was but for a guy as young as him who had an ankle injury that has been proven to be fully fixable means he will likely still be good.

[illiniguy]

You're right I love the potential of a 7 foot 7 guy with foot problems.

 

Who is talking about potential? I'm talking about what his career points to which is 60-70 games. You are acting like he won';t play at all. 1 game with Yao is better than 0 games. Even if he can only play half the games that is still much better than what we had this year.

Maybe, what if he throws off the chemistry of the team? He might not be able to play the same tempo that the rest of the Rockets want to play. At this point if I was a Rockets fan I wouldn't be expecting anything out of him and then just be suprised if he did anything. Guys over 7 feet that have leg problems generally don't give you much, think Ewing at the end of his career when he looked like he was running on ice.

 

Ewing got old and broke down. Yao is still under 30. Definitely a chance he will never be what he was but for a guy as young as him who had an ankle injury that has been proven to be fully fixable means he will likely still be good.

I thought that big Z was a decent player after he got hurt and a nice role model for Yao. Not the franchise guy he was going to be though.

[CubbieBum]

You're right I love the potential of a 7 foot 7 guy with foot problems.

 

Who is talking about potential? I'm talking about what his career points to which is 60-70 games. You are acting like he won';t play at all. 1 game with Yao is better than 0 games. Even if he can only play half the games that is still much better than what we had this year.

Maybe, what if he throws off the chemistry of the team? He might not be able to play the same tempo that the rest of the Rockets want to play. At this point if I was a Rockets fan I wouldn't be expecting anything out of him and then just be suprised if he did anything. Guys over 7 feet that have leg problems generally don't give you much, think Ewing at the end of his career when he looked like he was running on ice.

 

Ewing got old and broke down. Yao is still under 30. Definitely a chance he will never be what he was but for a guy as young as him who had an ankle injury that has been proven to be fully fixable means he will likely still be good.

I thought that big Z was a decent player after he got hurt and a nice role model for Yao. Not the franchise guy he was going to be though.

 

Big Z had the surgery in 2001. He came back and had a very good stretch of years. He averaged 11.1 pts and 5.4 rebs the first year in just 21 minutes a game and then went on to have a 4 year stretch where he roughly averaged 16 pts and 8 rebs. I don't think Big Z was ever as good as Yao was/is so it seems feasible Yao can come back and have some good years with 18 pts 9 rebs which is close to what he averaged before.

[TruffleShuffle]

go sixers

[Exile on Waveland]

The Pacers may actually have to decide between Cole Aldrich and Gordon Hayward. I always figured their choice would be obvious, maybe not . . .

[tfarks]

The Pacers may actually have to decide between Cole Aldrich and Gordon Hayward. I always figured their choice would be obvious, maybe not . . .

 

I'll say no thanks to both. Hope its Ekpe Udoh, Eric Bledsoe, or Xavier Henry.

[jersey cubs fan]

Do they still do this thing in Secaucus?

[Exile on Waveland]

The Pacers may actually have to decide between Cole Aldrich and Gordon Hayward. I always figured their choice would be obvious, maybe not . . .

 

I'll say no thanks to both. Hope its Ekpe Udoh, Eric Bledsoe, or Xavier Henry.

 

So will I. I wanted to say no to Ty Hansbrough. Alas, neither of us has a say.