Stanley Cup Champion Chicago Blackhawks Thread!!!!!!

[apete6]

Toews gets a $1.3M bonus for winning the Conn Smythe. Since the Hawks are at cap for this year, it counts against next year's cap.

 

Well there goes the relief that we had for the cap going up next year.

 

That really really hurts us.

 

I think we were like 7 million over next years cap with only 13 players signed. Now we're like 8.3 million over, so we have to get rid of 8.3 million, in addition to clearing more space to fill up the team.

 

That 1.3 million might be the difference between someone like Sharp or Buff or Versteeg being on next years team.

 

Meh. Versteeg is good, but you can get that production for about as much. He was terrible for about a 10 week stretch in the middle of the season.

 

As long as the guys who are already signed long term as well as Sharp and Seabroook and Buff are around, they'll be fine. Guys like Ladd and Versteeg are expendable.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

So is that saying that Toews bonus is already included in his cap hit?

 

The way it works is that if a guy has bonuses in his contract, they have to count against the cap until he doesn't hit them. So let's say Kane has a 50-goal bonus for $100k. That $100k counts against your cap until the season is over, even if he needs 20 goals on the last day of the season to reach it. You can exceed the cap by up to 7.5% because of the bonuses.

 

The downside to exceeding the cap with the bonus cushion is that if the player reaches the bonus, it counts against next year's cap. So any bonuses Kane, Toews or Keith reached this season will count against next year's cap. But I really don't think there's any $1.3 million bonuses out there, unless I've been reading and understanding the CBA incorrectly.

[bukie]

So is that saying that Toews bonus is already included in his cap hit?

 

The way it works is that if a guy has bonuses in his contract, they have to count against the cap until he doesn't hit them. So let's say Kane has a 50-goal bonus for $100k. That $100k counts against your cap until the season is over, even if he needs 20 goals on the last day of the season to reach it. You can exceed the cap by up to 7.5% because of the bonuses.

 

The downside to exceeding the cap with the bonus cushion is that if the player reaches the bonus, it counts against next year's cap. So any bonuses Kane, Toews or Keith reached this season will count against next year's cap. But I really don't think there's any $1.3 million bonuses out there, unless I've been reading and understanding the CBA incorrectly.

Here's where I saw it: http://www.twitlonger.com/show/1pup06

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Wait, never mind, those are the *minimum* values. He can get up to $2 million in Schedule B bonuses.

 

That hurts.

[jersey cubs fan]

Meh. Versteeg is good, but you can get that production for about as much. He was terrible for about a 10 week stretch in the middle of the season.

 

He was my least favorite player on the ice in game 3. I thought he was incredibly inconsistent and not nearly as productive given the risk factor his game includes.

[jersey cubs fan]

Wait, never mind, those are the *minimum* values. He can get up to $2 million in Schedule B bonuses.

 

That hurts.

 

we'll get through this

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I was hoping they could keep two of three out of Sharp/Byfuglien/Versteeg. That bonus means that's not going to happen unless they can get someone to take Campbell.

[brinoch]

I was hoping they could keep two of three out of Sharp/Byfuglien/Versteeg. That bonus means that's not going to happen unless they can get someone to take Campbell.

 

I wouldn't overreact just yet. Enjoy the moment. We don't know what Toews' actual bonus situation was, we don't know how much room was left under the cap, and we don't know what the cap will be next year.

[brinoch]

I was hoping they could keep two of three out of Sharp/Byfuglien/Versteeg. That bonus means that's not going to happen unless they can get someone to take Campbell.

 

Yeah, ultimately I think it depends on how much Hjalmarsson and Niemi get. I think they'll keep Sharp and Byfuglien. Ladd and Versteeg will be traded. I could see the Hawks trading high on any of Bolland, Versteeg and Byfuglien. I guess we'll just have to wait and see!

[UMFan83]

I know I'm just bitching about this because it's affecting my team, but it's kind of weird that an award that is voted on by just 11 people can have the ability to screw over a team as much as it will for us. I mean those 11 voters for the Conn Smythe had the ability to make a difference in how gutted our team will be next year. Now I doubt any of the voters probably even realized that when they voted, but still.

 

Anyways, I'm not really seriously complaining about the process that much, if the Hawks didn't wnat that to bite them they shouldnt have put it in his rookie deal or they shouldn't have won the Cup.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I was hoping they could keep two of three out of Sharp/Byfuglien/Versteeg. That bonus means that's not going to happen unless they can get someone to take Campbell.

 

I wouldn't overreact just yet. Enjoy the moment. We don't know what Toews' actual bonus situation was, we don't know how much room was left under the cap, and we don't know what the cap will be next year.

 

We have a pretty good idea. But these rules get so complicated it can be hard to tell.

 

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=CHI

[NewUserName]

http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=11

 

here is a link to show the Hawks situation. The Hawks are going to have to trade someone even if they buy out Huet

 

edit: If they buyout Huet and trade Versteeg, that will free up 6 million. Niemi and Hjalmarsson will get pretty good raises to cover over half of that 6 million. The real problem may be when Seabrook becomes available after next season.

Edited June 10, 2010 by NewUserName

[Hairyducked Idiot]

It may not be the full $1.3 million. It depends on exactly how much they were under the cap at the end of the season, which only the league knows for sure. All those little moves like sending Skille back to Rockford between games may have helped in the end, plus Johnsson's injury.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

What a wonderful problem to have, btw.

[NewUserName]

What a wonderful problem to have, btw.

 

this is true, and they won the cup. Not that they will not be a contender next season, but this off season would have a different feel about it if the Hawks didnt win and they had to sell off some peaces to make the cap.

[Magnetic Curses]

all around the league, fans are concocting scenarios in which the hawks won't be good.

 

don't worry, i believe the cap gurus we have running things will find a way for the hawks to be competitive with the likes of the wings and canucks. your hells are not over quite yet.

Edited June 10, 2010 by Stannis

[UMFan83]

What a wonderful problem to have, btw.

 

this is true, and they won the cup. Not that they will not be a contender next season, but this off season would have a different feel about it if the Hawks didnt win and they had to sell off some peaces to make the cap.

 

Yes, probably while we all flipped out after game 3 and 4. This was our best shot for the next couple of years most likely.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=11

 

here is a link to show the Hawks situation. The Hawks are going to have to trade someone even if they buy out Huet

 

edit: If they buyout Huet and trade Versteeg, that will free up 6 million. Niemi and Hjalmarsson will get pretty good raises to cover over half of that 6 million. The real problem may be when Seabrook becomes available after next season.

 

The general assumption is that they will waive Huet and either send him to Rockford or allow him to sign with a European team (and pay the difference), not buy him out. And that they'll trade Sopel no matter what. I think with his playoff performance it won't be hard to find a taker.

 

The cap stuff is going to be interesting and it will hurt, but the reality is that this team will still have the same top-2 defensemen playing 28 minutes a game, and they'll still have Kane, Toews and Hossa. They'll be right there with San Jose, Detroit, and L.A. as the top teams in the West yet again.

[Magnetic Curses]

What a wonderful problem to have, btw.

 

this is true, and they won the cup. Not that they will not be a contender next season, but this off season would have a different feel about it if the Hawks didnt win and they had to sell off some peaces to make the cap.

 

Yes, probably while we all flipped out after game 3 and 4. This was our best shot for the next couple of years most likely.

 

detroit's corps isn't getting any younger or better. toews is going to be molesting them for years, no worries.

[UMFan83]

What a wonderful problem to have, btw.

 

this is true, and they won the cup. Not that they will not be a contender next season, but this off season would have a different feel about it if the Hawks didnt win and they had to sell off some peaces to make the cap.

 

Yes, probably while we all flipped out after game 3 and 4. This was our best shot for the next couple of years most likely.

 

detroit's corps isn't getting any younger or better. toews is going to be molesting them for years, no worries.

 

This is what championship sulley looks like?? Nice

[NewUserName]

http://www.capgeek.com/charts.php?Team=11

 

here is a link to show the Hawks situation. The Hawks are going to have to trade someone even if they buy out Huet

 

edit: If they buyout Huet and trade Versteeg, that will free up 6 million. Niemi and Hjalmarsson will get pretty good raises to cover over half of that 6 million. The real problem may be when Seabrook becomes available after next season.

 

The general assumption is that they will waive Huet and either send him to Rockford or allow him to sign with a European team (and pay the difference), not buy him out. And that they'll trade Sopel no matter what. I think with his playoff performance it won't be hard to find a taker.

 

The cap stuff is going to be interesting and it will hurt, but the reality is that this team will still have the same top-2 defensemen playing 28 minutes a game, and they'll still have Kane, Toews and Hossa. They'll be right there with San Jose, Detroit, and L.A. as the top teams in the West yet again.

 

No doubt they will be an elite team. I think fans of other teams that have them collapsing are way off base. 2 other teams that may have an interesting summer and caproom to improve are Nashville and Colorado.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

And the best part is: These players aren't going for nothing. Guys like Versteeg, Sharp, etc. have strong trade value. The Blackhawks will be restocking up on picks and prospects into an already loaded system.

[NewUserName]

What a wonderful problem to have, btw.

 

this is true, and they won the cup. Not that they will not be a contender next season, but this off season would have a different feel about it if the Hawks didnt win and they had to sell off some peaces to make the cap.

 

Yes, probably while we all flipped out after game 3 and 4. This was our best shot for the next couple of years most likely.

 

detroit's corps isn't getting any younger or better. toews is going to be molesting them for years, no worries.

 

Lidstrom and Rafalski are the only core players on the Wings who are past prime. Wings haters have been talking about how old they are since 97, yet they havent collapsed yet. I expect this rivalry to be fun for several years.

[Wilson A2000]

The Hawks all seemed to go to a bar at 8AM called The Pony Inn to celebrate.

 

http://deadspin.com/5560417/blackhawks-celebrate-cup-win-with-8am-trip-to-chicago-bar/gallery/

[Butterscup1679666578]

Man, how awesome.

 

"Hey lets go to this bar. Hold the door for me while I bring the Stanley Cup in."