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i'm worried that at some point the flyers might actually get a good goaltending performance

 

Wasn't that Game 2?

 

Yeah...that's what I thought. I don't know that Leighton has more in him than what we saw in game 2.

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i'm worried that at some point the flyers might actually get a good goaltending performance

 

That's only because he had a couple shutouts against teams without an attack of their own. Philly has been at their best for three games, it's not all that impressive and they don't have another gear. Chicago has been a bit ho-hum, and they are up 2-1. They should win 2 of 3 again soon.

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If the Hawks lose game 4, it will make our overreactions, while still out there, seem like we were on to something about our play foreshadowing a reversal of fortunes from games 1 and 2.

 

If the Hawks win game 4, the media will play it up that the series is almost over and game 3 was the Flyers best shot but the more talented Hawks are pulling away. Also, we'll all look like idiots for overreacting.

 

But I still don't think anything I said was ridiculous, or what 96% of all posts after that game said. We are right to be worried that the Hawks play in the first 3 games is a bad indicator of the rest of the series regardless of whether we won all 3 of the games or none of the 3 games.

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i'm worried that at some point the flyers might actually get a good goaltending performance

 

That's only because he had a couple shutouts against teams without an attack of their own. Philly has been at their best for three games, it's not all that impressive and they don't have another gear. Chicago has been a bit ho-hum, and they are up 2-1. They should win 2 of 3 again soon.

 

i'm not saying it's likely, i'm just asking "what if?". that would suck, considering he's the main reason we're up 2-1.

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i'm worried that at some point the flyers might actually get a good goaltending performance

 

That's only because he had a couple shutouts against teams without an attack of their own. Philly has been at their best for three games, it's not all that impressive and they don't have another gear. Chicago has been a bit ho-hum, and they are up 2-1. They should win 2 of 3 again soon.

 

i'm not saying it's likely, i'm just asking "what if?". that would suck, considering he's the main reason we're up 2-1.

 

The fact that Chicago is better is the main reason.

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i'm worried that at some point the flyers might actually get a good goaltending performance

 

Wasn't that Game 2?

 

Yeah...that's what I thought. I don't know that Leighton has more in him than what we saw in game 2.

 

i figured it would be brought up and i guess it's hard to say he wasn't good when he only gave up 2 goals, but i don't think he was. he didn't really have to do much. we got some pressure, but everything was right in his chest or wide of the net.

 

also, the game winner was atrociously soft. 2 goals isn't bad, but it should have been 1 and an overtime game.

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i'm worried that at some point the flyers might actually get a good goaltending performance

 

That's only because he had a couple shutouts against teams without an attack of their own. Philly has been at their best for three games, it's not all that impressive and they don't have another gear. Chicago has been a bit ho-hum, and they are up 2-1. They should win 2 of 3 again soon.

 

i'm not saying it's likely, i'm just asking "what if?". that would suck, considering he's the main reason we're up 2-1.

 

The fact that Chicago is better is the main reason.

 

better team when? in the regular season?

 

do you think the hawks have outplayed them this series by more than a marginal amount? i don't. i think it's been pretty even and maybe slightly tilted to the flyers.

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The fact that Chicago is better is the main reason.

 

Why do we know Chicago is better?

 

I sure haven't seen it on the ice. When the game is on the line, at the very least the last two games, Philadelphia has completely and utterly dominated.

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But I still don't think anything I said was ridiculous, or what 96% of all posts after that game said. We are right to be worried that the Hawks play in the first 3 games is a bad indicator of the rest of the series regardless of whether we won all 3 of the games or none of the 3 games.

 

A great team playing at less than their best being up 2-1 is hardly justification for being worried about that level of play. Philly mucks it up, and it's gotten them one win in three games. Congrats. But they felt lucky to get out of game 3 with a win, believe me. Their fans were not the least bit confident at the end of regulation or going into overtime.

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yeah, the 3rd period atrociousness is highly concerning. this team usually dominated the 3rd, not the other way around.

 

it felt like in that 3rd game, philly wanted it more. i know that's cliche as hell sounding, but i didn't see the same level of intensity from the blackhawks. the flyers were winning all the battles. they were getting to the loose pucks.

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yeah, the 3rd period atrociousness is highly concerning. this team usually dominated the 3rd, not the other way around.

 

it felt like in that 3rd game, philly wanted it more. i know that's cliche as hell sounding, but i didn't see the same level of intensity from the blackhawks. the flyers were winning all the battles. they were getting to the loose pucks.

 

There are two major matchup problems I've seen in the first three games

 

1) The Flyers have such confidence in their defense that they are forechecking harder than any team has ever, ever dared to forecheck the Hawks.

 

2) They roll three virtually identical lines in terms of quality, so we can't play our matchup games that we do so well.

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The regular season would be what I would point to.

 

However, it has become clear to me that Philly has somehow become a much better team than they were in the regular season, so now I'm not so sure the Hawks are heads-and-shoulders better.

 

I do believe Niemi > Leighton, but that's not going to matter much if we continue to let them dominate the puck in our zone, get open looks on the back side, and allow all of this stuff at critical moments.

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The fact that Chicago is better is the main reason.

 

Why do we know Chicago is better?

 

I sure haven't seen it on the ice. When the game is on the line, at the very least the last two games, Philadelphia has completely and utterly dominated.

 

That's nonsense. Philly has managed to muck it up, but they haven't looked all that good. And they weren't all that impressive the rest of the playoffs. They have managed to partially hold back the superior Chicago talent with their style of play and the help of some dubious calls, but that has still only gotten them one win in three games.

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But I still don't think anything I said was ridiculous, or what 96% of all posts after that game said. We are right to be worried that the Hawks play in the first 3 games is a bad indicator of the rest of the series regardless of whether we won all 3 of the games or none of the 3 games.

 

A great team playing at less than their best being up 2-1 is hardly justification for being worried about that level of play. Philly mucks it up, and it's gotten them one win in three games. Congrats. But they felt lucky to get out of game 3 with a win, believe me. Their fans were not the least bit confident at the end of regulation or going into overtime.

 

 

you're basing that on what? considering the hawks got raped the entire 3rd period, i'd say rational philly fans were probably pretty confident.

 

and i don't understand how you could say that the flyers playing us evenly for 3 games isn't justification for being worried about that level of play.

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i'm worried that at some point the flyers might actually get a good goaltending performance

 

That's only because he had a couple shutouts against teams without an attack of their own. Philly has been at their best for three games, it's not all that impressive and they don't have another gear. Chicago has been a bit ho-hum, and they are up 2-1. They should win 2 of 3 again soon.

 

i'm not saying it's likely, i'm just asking "what if?". that would suck, considering he's the main reason we're up 2-1.

 

The fact that Chicago is better is the main reason.

 

better team when? in the regular season?

 

do you think the hawks have outplayed them this series by more than a marginal amount? i don't. i think it's been pretty even and maybe slightly tilted to the flyers.

 

The Hawks are better because they've played crappy and beaten a team playing well 2 of 3.

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The fact that Chicago is better is the main reason.

 

Why do we know Chicago is better?

 

I sure haven't seen it on the ice. When the game is on the line, at the very least the last two games, Philadelphia has completely and utterly dominated.

 

That's nonsense. Philly has managed to muck it up, but they haven't looked all that good. And they weren't all that impressive the rest of the playoffs. They have managed to partially hold back the superior Chicago talent with their style of play and the help of some dubious calls, but that has still only gotten them one win in three games.

 

you keep saying "muck it up", and i still don't know what it means.

 

what i do know is that the flyers have played us evenly for 3 games in the series and could be winning just as easily as they're losing.

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Honestly, I don't know any Philly fans who were worried. On the general hockey forums I hang out on, they were maddeningly confident even when down 0-2 in the series.

 

Because Philly fans are nuts. They think that Boston series was something they can do all the time now.

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The Hawks are better because they've played crappy and beaten a team playing well 2 of 3.

 

Philadelphia didn't play particularly well in Game 1 at the very least.

 

The fact that they've played crappy three games in a row could have just a tiny little bit to do with the opponent forcing them to play crappy.

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That's only because he had a couple shutouts against teams without an attack of their own. Philly has been at their best for three games, it's not all that impressive and they don't have another gear. Chicago has been a bit ho-hum, and they are up 2-1. They should win 2 of 3 again soon.

 

i'm not saying it's likely, i'm just asking "what if?". that would suck, considering he's the main reason we're up 2-1.

 

The fact that Chicago is better is the main reason.

 

better team when? in the regular season?

 

do you think the hawks have outplayed them this series by more than a marginal amount? i don't. i think it's been pretty even and maybe slightly tilted to the flyers.

 

The Hawks are better because they've played crappy and beaten a team playing well 2 of 3.

 

this post doesn't even make sense in this series of posts.

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The Hawks are better because they've played crappy and beaten a team playing well 2 of 3.

 

Philadelphia didn't play particularly well in Game 1 at the very least.

 

The fact that they've played crappy three games in a row could have just a tiny little bit to do with the opponent forcing them to play crappy.

 

Or it could be that the Hawks have been an up and down team all season.

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From what I've heard, confidence in the Philly locker room is pretty high right now. I don't know about the fans, but I'd look at the team's confidence first.

 

They feel like they should be up in this series, and that they played us very well in our building. If they can win tonight, I'm sure they feel very good about being able to take one in Chicago.

 

Does that amount to a hill of beans? I don't know. But I do believe the confidence edge has to be with Philly right now, despite being down 2-1. That said, this Hawks team has responded to losses well and shown they are resilient.

 

So I don't know. If we lose tonight, color me panicked.

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Or it could be that the Hawks have been an up and down team all season.

 

It's not, imo. It's the problems with the Philadelphia matchup. Philly has a ton of fast, aggressive forwards who can put pressure on our defense, because they know that Pronger is back there to clean up behind them. Almost all of our bad games this season have come when we don't handle the forecheck well.

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But I still don't think anything I said was ridiculous, or what 96% of all posts after that game said. We are right to be worried that the Hawks play in the first 3 games is a bad indicator of the rest of the series regardless of whether we won all 3 of the games or none of the 3 games.

 

A great team playing at less than their best being up 2-1 is hardly justification for being worried about that level of play. Philly mucks it up, and it's gotten them one win in three games. Congrats. But they felt lucky to get out of game 3 with a win, believe me. Their fans were not the least bit confident at the end of regulation or going into overtime.

 

 

you're basing that on what? considering the hawks got raped the entire 3rd period, i'd say rational philly fans were probably pretty confident.

 

and i don't understand how you could say that the flyers playing us evenly for 3 games isn't justification for being worried about that level of play.

 

I'm basing that on my attendance at the game. That place was rocking for the first period, but tense and not happy late. They were relieved to win. The bulk of the comments I overheard related to be relieved that they actually won a game and didn't get swept. Yesterday I heard a whole bunch of "I hope they can at least push it to Game 7 to give them a chance."

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