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Although the fans I know are the most annoying ever, as they never pay attention until their team is good and or in a championship and then they are the biggest bunch of crap talking goons in the land.

 

I don't know any Philly fans personally, but this description definitely fits the ones I've come across online.

 

blackhawk fans are probably not in a great position to talk about not paying attention until their team is good.

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Although the fans I know are the most annoying ever, as they never pay attention until their team is good and or in a championship and then they are the biggest bunch of crap talking goons in the land.

 

I don't know any Philly fans personally, but this description definitely fits the ones I've come across online.

 

blackhawk fans are probably not in a great position to talk about not paying attention until their team is good.

Having the worst ownership in professional sports had a lot more to do with the not paying attention than the team being good.

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Although the fans I know are the most annoying ever, as they never pay attention until their team is good and or in a championship and then they are the biggest bunch of crap talking goons in the land.

 

I don't know any Philly fans personally, but this description definitely fits the ones I've come across online.

 

blackhawk fans are probably not in a great position to talk about not paying attention until their team is good.

Having the worst ownership in professional sports had a lot more to do with the not paying attention than the team being good.

 

That's a good way to irk a Blackhawks fan. It's quite an ignorant statement to make without really knowing the uniqueness of the situation. I'm sure other team's fans feel the same way when their fans are called bandwagoners, but whatever I'm just telling you how it is from this side. And I'm not even saying I'm included in that group. You read my posts from 3 years ago and I readily admit I didn't watch very much of the Hawks a few years ago. I watched them all the time in the mid-90s, followed them through the 2000's but not very closely (part of that had to do with my moving to New England, I sort of had my own rebonding with my childhood teams at different times between the Cubs, Bears, Bulls). Everytime I tried to get back into the Blackhawks, I just couldnt stomach it. All I read about is beloved players leaving, bridges being burned, ticket prices rising while payroll was declining. I kept hearing about how they don't need to keep Amonte, we have Eric Daze now, or Alexi Zhamnov, or Tuomo Ruutu. After awhile, it made sense that their home games weren't on TV, they were unwatchable. Going to a Hawks game was seriously like going to a morgue. Yep, those are the jerseys that you saw growing up, it is nice to see them, but these Hawks are dead.

 

I don't think anyone, whether it be the die hard fans, the fans that care about the team but aren't diehards, the casual fans, the media who ignored the team, etc wanted the Hawks to die. But at that point it was like "maybe its the best for everyone involved". As painful as it was, many people almost wanted to see the Blackhawks just end their misery and just die, so they could be remembered for what they were and not their current incarnation. Horrible sappy analogy, but the Hawks fan base was basically like a fire. At its peak it was mighty and powerful, but it was left unattened to and slowly died, until it was just a bunch of little flickers coming from the ashes. When Bill Wirtz died, and Rocky and McCub took over, it was basically like putting 2 new logs on, pouring lighter fluid on them, and relighting the flame.

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I stopped following the Hawks when it became clear that BWirtz was openly running it into the ground.

 

If someone doesn't like that, too bad. I have no obligation to explain myself to them.

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NHL fans in general probably shouldn't promote an insular culture where the casual fan isn't welcome. That's how you end up on the Outdoor Life Network while ESPN plays a World Series of Poker rerun for the 9000th time.
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Although the fans I know are the most annoying ever, as they never pay attention until their team is good and or in a championship and then they are the biggest bunch of crap talking goons in the land.

 

I don't know any Philly fans personally, but this description definitely fits the ones I've come across online.

 

blackhawk fans are probably not in a great position to talk about not paying attention until their team is good.

 

I'm not going to judge Philly fans because, frankly, I don't know very many. But Truffle, this is a remarkably ignorant statement. There's a reason that the Hawks were drawing no one for years -- Bill Wirtz and the worst professional team in sports. Hockey is and was popular in Chicago -- the Wolves were outdrawing the Hawks because Wirtz spat on the fan base and many, like me, swore off the team until there was new ownership. I grew up a huge fan -- mostly listening to games on the radio -- but watching (err... listening to) Dollar Bill and Zombie Pulford dismantle the talented teams and trade off the expensive players was too much. This is a man, remember, who famously thought winning the Stanley Cup cost too much money.

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It's quite an ignorant statement to make without really knowing the uniqueness of the situation.

 

oh im not saying i blame blackhawk fans at all. dollar bill did everything possible to alienate the fans. i'm just defending my team from accusations of bandwagoning - there really isn't much of that among flyers fans, certainly not as much as there has been with the sixers and phillies. the flyers have a fan base that's quite passionate, maybe it's not as big a base as the baseball and football teams, but it's there.

 

the part that drives me crazy is that the local sports talk radio stations and other media treat the flyers like they're some niche team that nobody cares about. it's like they just discovered there's a hockey team in this city once the flyers made the conference finals. more people care about the flyers than the sixers and the flyers sell out almost every game, yet you turn on the radio this time of year and 90% of the talk is about which eagles are going to show up for mini-camp. when they do talk about hockey there's hardly any analysis whatsoever, the hosts just babble about how well michael leighton is playing and that laviolette has done an amazing job. thanks a lot.

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It's quite an ignorant statement to make without really knowing the uniqueness of the situation.

 

oh im not saying i blame blackhawk fans at all. dollar bill did everything possible to alienate the fans. i'm just defending my team from accusations of bandwagoning - there really isn't much of that among flyers fans, certainly not as much as there has been with the sixers and phillies. the flyers have a fan base that's quite passionate, maybe it's not as big a base as the baseball and football teams, but it's there.

 

the part that drives me crazy is that the local sports talk radio stations and other media treat the flyers like they're some niche team that nobody cares about. it's like they just discovered there's a hockey team in this city once the flyers made the conference finals. more people care about the flyers than the sixers and the flyers sell out almost every game, yet you turn on the radio this time of year and 90% of the talk is about which eagles are going to show up for mini-camp. when they do talk about hockey there's hardly any analysis whatsoever, the hosts just babble about how well michael leighton is playing and that laviolette has done an amazing job. thanks a lot.

 

Wow that sounds exactly like Chicago sports talk radio. I love the Bears, I really do, but I am so not interested in hearing 2 hours of talk about Brian Urlacher's comments about Gale Sayers during the month of MAY, when there are 2 baseball teams playing, a basketball team rumored to get the best player in basketball, and the hockey team in the damn conference finals (at the time).

 

Like the Flyers, the media started really talking about the Blackhawks when the conference finals came along. Before that it was sporadic talk at best for the rest of the playoffs.

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Although the fans I know are the most annoying ever, as they never pay attention until their team is good and or in a championship and then they are the biggest bunch of crap talking goons in the land.

 

I don't know any Philly fans personally, but this description definitely fits the ones I've come across online.

 

blackhawk fans are probably not in a great position to talk about not paying attention until their team is good.

 

Ok...if it helps, I was agreeing more about the "crap talking goons" part than the bandwagon part... :hello:

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Hmmm...ProHockeyTalk.com has a blurb about the Hawks offseason cap issues this year...and one of the ideas they hinted at is using Byfuglien as a way to get rid of Huet's contract. If you tell teams that Byfuglien is available, but you have to take Huet to get him...would that work?
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Hmmm...ProHockeyTalk.com has a blurb about the Hawks offseason cap issues this year...and one of the ideas they hinted at is using Byfuglien as a way to get rid of Huet's contract. If you tell teams that Byfuglien is available, but you have to take Huet to get him...would that work?

 

I doubt it, but stupider contracts have been moved in the past.

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Yeah, it sounds to me like Philly and Chicago have similarities when it comes to hockey.

 

Sure, right now in Chicago all the sports talk radio guys are jumping on, doing Hawks talk, etc. But the analysis is clearly lacking in terms of expertise because the vast majority of the hosts spent their whole career talking football & baseball, with some basketball thrown in.

 

In Chicago you'll get Bears talk as a result of any minicamp or team meeting in the offseason. You won't even know the Hawks exist if they aren't making a playoff run.

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Yeah, it sounds to me like Philly and Chicago have similarities when it comes to hockey.

 

Sure, right now in Chicago all the sports talk radio guys are jumping on, doing Hawks talk, etc. But the analysis is clearly lacking in terms of expertise because the vast majority of the hosts spent their whole career talking football & baseball, with some basketball thrown in.

 

In Chicago you'll get Bears talk as a result of any minicamp or team meeting in the offseason. You won't even know the Hawks exist if they aren't making a playoff run.

 

I dunno...Dan Bernstein and Dan Mcneil, at the very least, are big hockey fans. I'm sure there are some guys that are uncomfortable with the hockey discussion...I don't listen to ESPN 1000 down here because it's got a weaker signal than The Score...but there are a few that actually do know what they're talking about.

 

It's just that I think these guys typically are directed to talk about other sports because hockey doesn't draw listeners...or at least it didn't used to.

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Yeah, it sounds to me like Philly and Chicago have similarities when it comes to hockey.

 

Sure, right now in Chicago all the sports talk radio guys are jumping on, doing Hawks talk, etc. But the analysis is clearly lacking in terms of expertise because the vast majority of the hosts spent their whole career talking football & baseball, with some basketball thrown in.

 

In Chicago you'll get Bears talk as a result of any minicamp or team meeting in the offseason. You won't even know the Hawks exist if they aren't making a playoff run.

 

I dunno...Dan Bernstein and Dan Mcneil, at the very least, are big hockey fans. I'm sure there are some guys that are uncomfortable with the hockey discussion...I don't listen to ESPN 1000 down here because it's got a weaker signal than The Score...but there are a few that actually do know what they're talking about.

 

It's just that I think these guys typically are directed to talk about other sports because hockey doesn't draw listeners...or at least it didn't used to.

 

Right, that's 2 out of dozens though.

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Yeah, it sounds to me like Philly and Chicago have similarities when it comes to hockey.

 

Sure, right now in Chicago all the sports talk radio guys are jumping on, doing Hawks talk, etc. But the analysis is clearly lacking in terms of expertise because the vast majority of the hosts spent their whole career talking football & baseball, with some basketball thrown in.

 

In Chicago you'll get Bears talk as a result of any minicamp or team meeting in the offseason. You won't even know the Hawks exist if they aren't making a playoff run.

 

I dunno...Dan Bernstein and Dan Mcneil, at the very least, are big hockey fans. I'm sure there are some guys that are uncomfortable with the hockey discussion...I don't listen to ESPN 1000 down here because it's got a weaker signal than The Score...but there are a few that actually do know what they're talking about.

 

It's just that I think these guys typically are directed to talk about other sports because hockey doesn't draw listeners...or at least it didn't used to.

 

Right, that's 2 out of dozens though.

 

Well...I named those 2 only because they're the ones I hear mostly...I just can't speak to the rest.

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Yeah, it sounds to me like Philly and Chicago have similarities when it comes to hockey.

 

Sure, right now in Chicago all the sports talk radio guys are jumping on, doing Hawks talk, etc. But the analysis is clearly lacking in terms of expertise because the vast majority of the hosts spent their whole career talking football & baseball, with some basketball thrown in.

 

In Chicago you'll get Bears talk as a result of any minicamp or team meeting in the offseason. You won't even know the Hawks exist if they aren't making a playoff run.

 

I dunno...Dan Bernstein and Dan Mcneil, at the very least, are big hockey fans. I'm sure there are some guys that are uncomfortable with the hockey discussion...I don't listen to ESPN 1000 down here because it's got a weaker signal than The Score...but there are a few that actually do know what they're talking about.

 

It's just that I think these guys typically are directed to talk about other sports because hockey doesn't draw listeners...or at least it didn't used to.

 

Right, that's 2 out of dozens though.

 

Well...I named those 2 only because they're the ones I hear mostly...I just can't speak to the rest.

 

Mcneil is the guy that most fits your description. He's been waiting for this opportunity to talk Hawks for years. I'm enjoying listening to him.

 

Bernstein -- he's diligent about his coverage of Chicago teams in general as part of his job. He's not particularly expert in hockey. He just has something of substance to say because he is pretty good about that in general.

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You can tell some of the hosts are really uncomfortable and it sounds forced when they bring up hockey. For instance Lawrence Holmes, he seems like he has to talk hockey and when he does, it's usually a very broad topic like "What does this Blackhawks run mean to you?" I'm not saying these people are apathetic to the playoff run, they just don't have as much expertise as others in talking hockry
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Pic from the UC...

 

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/121416/106407364-facbf717d7326149c67d2db1091bb357.4bfd99e0-full.jpg

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I believe what you are seeing is the tool used to create the letters, which is also blue.

 

No "S"

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I can't tell if that says Final or Finals. If it has an "s," overly anal copy editors everywhere will scream.

 

You could've just said "I will scream".

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I can't tell if that says Final or Finals. If it has an "s," overly anal copy editors everywhere will scream.

 

You could've just said "I will scream".

 

Hell no. I've been arguing that with two copy editors I know in the last couple of days. Yes, technically, it started out as "Final" because there is only one, unlike semifinals or quarterfinals. But common usage has to prevail at some point, and everyone says "Finals."

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