Cubs 4th and 5th Starter

[Okla St Cub]

who will it be Randy Wells says he has to compete because he still has options.

 

If wells is the 4th who will be the 5th

 

Silva? Gorzelanny? Samardzija? Marshall?

[Guest]

who will it be Randy Wells says he has to compete because he still has options.

 

If wells is the 4th who will be the 5th

 

Silva? Gorzelanny? Samardzija? Marshall?

Those four are most likely. The darkhorse would be Thomas Diamond.

[Sammy Sofa]

Wells saying he's competing is just him saying the right things to make it sound like he's working his ass off. He's got a slot in the rotation unless he injures himself or just bombs horribly in ST.

[jersey cubs fan]

who will it be Randy Wells says he has to compete because he still has options.

 

If wells is the 4th who will be the 5th

 

Silva? Gorzelanny? Samardzija? Marshall?

Those four are most likely, though Lilly has said he wants to be ready to go at the start of the year.

 

The darkhorse would be Thomas Diamond.

 

The only way Wells is 4th is in the case of Lilly starting the season (not going to happen). Most likely 2 of those 4 will have to start early in the year.

[Derwood]

all of those choices give me a migraine

[Guest]

who will it be Randy Wells says he has to compete because he still has options.

 

If wells is the 4th who will be the 5th

 

Silva? Gorzelanny? Samardzija? Marshall?

Those four are most likely, though Lilly has said he wants to be ready to go at the start of the year.

 

The darkhorse would be Thomas Diamond.

 

The only way Wells is 4th is in the case of Lilly starting the season (not going to happen). Most likely 2 of those 4 will have to start early in the year.

Yeah, I realized that and went back and edited my post.

[Cubswin11]

Has any sort of rotation for ST been mentioned yet?

[Sammy Sofa]

all of those choices give me a migraine

 

Would it really be so horrible to have Marshall for a few starts?

[soapy]

I'm somewhat hopeful that Gorzelanny will be okay.

[NewUserName]

this may not be the place to ask this, but I have been kind of wondering about this.

 

Has one bad season completely made Samardzija into a huge waste? He still is rather young, is it possible for him to still develop into a quality major league pitcher? I understand that the win now philosophy the Cubs are playing under puts a lot of pressure on your 5th starter to be competent. It just seems like the general tone of this board is that Samardzija is a complete waste of time at this point in his career and the Cubs would be better off trading him for something else.

[jersey cubs fan]

this may not be the place to ask this, but I have been kind of wondering about this.

 

Has one bad season completely made Samardzija into a huge waste? He still is rather young, is it possible for him to still develop into a quality major league pitcher? I understand that the win now philosophy the Cubs are playing under puts a lot of pressure on your 5th starter to be competent. It just seems like the general tone of this board is that Samardzija is a complete waste of time at this point in his career and the Cubs would be better off trading him for something else.

 

He's been a pro since 2006 and has yet to have an impressive season. His overall numbers are very mediocre, and he's far from young. He is already 25 years old, with 436 professional innings following up 240 innings of major college pitching. He is what he is. At this point it would be a huge stretch to see him as a successful starter. He may turn into a decent reliever, but that wouldn't justify the investment they made in him, in terms of time, money, draft position and no trade clause. Remember this is the guy the Cubs used to justify overdrafting Colvin, and a huge portion of any prospects value is his trade value, which is zilch in the case of Samardzija.

[treebird]

this may not be the place to ask this, but I have been kind of wondering about this.

 

Has one bad season completely made Samardzija into a huge waste? He still is rather young, is it possible for him to still develop into a quality major league pitcher? I understand that the win now philosophy the Cubs are playing under puts a lot of pressure on your 5th starter to be competent. It just seems like the general tone of this board is that Samardzija is a complete waste of time at this point in his career and the Cubs would be better off trading him for something else.

 

the problem isn't that he's had one bad season, it's that he hasn't had any particularly good ones.

[Sammy Sofa]

That, and he looks to be made up of equal parts of [expletive] and douchebag.

[ConstableRabbit]

That, and he looks to be made up of equal parts of [expletive] and douchebag.

FWIW (and realize it's not worth much in terms of his playing ability) he's actually a really nice guy.

[Donzo1679666396]

this may not be the place to ask this, but I have been kind of wondering about this.

 

Has one bad season completely made Samardzija into a huge waste? He still is rather young, is it possible for him to still develop into a quality major league pitcher?

 

Oh yeah, Samardzija still has a good chance at success. Ignore the complaints seen in this thread about him. The complaining reeks of an agenda... No matter how much Samardzija's success in 2008 at AAA & the majors bother some fans, he had that success.

 

He just turned 25 & this will only be his 4th season as a full time pitcher( note: he's probably the best WR in the city of Chicago ). He has an outstanding arm & is developing off speed pitches.

 

After his successful 2008, players made an adjustment to his heat. He struggled with those adjustments last year. Reports are he made big strides in his development with his off speed pitches. We'll see how accurate those reports are shortly.

 

Weather it be in Chicago or Iowa, I hope he gets 30+ starts this year. If this happens we'll know a lot more about his future. If he can develop 1 good pitch he'll make a lot of money as a reliever. If he develop 2 or more pitches, he'll make a lot of money as a starter.

[Keener98]

this may not be the place to ask this, but I have been kind of wondering about this.

 

Has one bad season completely made Samardzija into a huge waste? He still is rather young, is it possible for him to still develop into a quality major league pitcher?

 

Oh yeah, Samardzija still has a good chance at success. Ignore the complaints seen in this thread about him. The complaining reeks of an agenda... No matter how much Samardzija's success in 2008 at AAA & the majors bother some fans, he had that success.

 

He just turned 25 & this will only be his 4th season as a full time pitcher( note: he's probably the best WR in the city of Chicago ). He has an outstanding arm & is developing off speed pitches.

 

After his successful 2008, players made an adjustment to his heat. He struggled with those adjustments last year. Reports are he made big strides in his development with his off speed pitches. We'll see how accurate those reports are shortly.

 

Weather it be in Chicago or Iowa, I hope he gets 30+ starts this year. If this happens we'll know a lot more about his future. If he can develop 1 good pitch he'll make a lot of money as a reliever. If he develop 2 or more pitches, he'll make a lot of money as a starter.

 

The complaining reeks of an agenda? WTF and why as Cubs fans, would his success in 2008 at AAA and the majors bother the fans? If hes successful thats good for the Cubs, and Cubs fans.

 

Also regarding the bold, hes already made a lot of damn money, and hasn't done much to earn it. Again though, thats on Hendry giving him the ridiculous contract, not on Jeff.

[Sammy Sofa]

Oh yeah, Samardzija still has a good chance at success. Ignore the complaints seen in this thread about him. The complaining reeks of an agenda... No matter how much Samardzija's success in 2008 at AAA & the majors bother some fans, he had that success.

 

What does this even mean? Why would Cubs fans be bothered by an expensive prospect actually having some success?

[The Voice of Reason]

this may not be the place to ask this, but I have been kind of wondering about this.

 

Has one bad season completely made Samardzija into a huge waste? He still is rather young, is it possible for him to still develop into a quality major league pitcher? I understand that the win now philosophy the Cubs are playing under puts a lot of pressure on your 5th starter to be competent. It just seems like the general tone of this board is that Samardzija is a complete waste of time at this point in his career and the Cubs would be better off trading him for something else.

 

He's been a pro since 2006 and has yet to have an impressive season. His overall numbers are very mediocre, and he's far from young. He is already 25 years old, with 436 professional innings following up 240 innings of major college pitching. He is what he is. At this point it would be a huge stretch to see him as a successful starter. He may turn into a decent reliever, but that wouldn't justify the investment they made in him, in terms of time, money, draft position and no trade clause. Remember this is the guy the Cubs used to justify overdrafting Colvin, and a huge portion of any prospects value is his trade value, which is zilch in the case of Samardzija.

 

I think when all is said and done, Rudy will have had a more successful post Notre Dame career than Samardzija.

[Derwood]

That, and he looks to be made up of equal parts of [expletive] and douchebag.

 

just about every one of Marshall's stats is worse as a starter than a reliever. K/9, K/BB, OpOPS, ERA, WHIP....

[Sammy Sofa]

That, and he looks to be made up of equal parts of [expletive] and douchebag.

 

just about every one of Marshall's stats is worse as a starter than a reliever. K/9, K/BB, OpOPS, ERA, WHIP....

 

But the question isn't whether he's better as a reliever or a starter. The question is whether he can be at least acceptable as a starter if called upon and it's likely that he would be. Sean Marshall having to get starts isn't the end of the world by any stretch of the imagination.

[inari]

this may not be the place to ask this, but I have been kind of wondering about this.

 

Has one bad season completely made Samardzija into a huge waste? He still is rather young, is it possible for him to still develop into a quality major league pitcher?

 

Oh yeah, Samardzija still has a good chance at success. Ignore the complaints seen in this thread about him. The complaining reeks of an agenda... No matter how much Samardzija's success in 2008 at AAA & the majors bother some fans, he had that success.

 

He just turned 25 & this will only be his 4th season as a full time pitcher( note: he's probably the best WR in the city of Chicago ). He has an outstanding arm & is developing off speed pitches.

 

After his successful 2008, players made an adjustment to his heat. He struggled with those adjustments last year. Reports are he made big strides in his development with his off speed pitches. We'll see how accurate those reports are shortly.

 

Weather it be in Chicago or Iowa, I hope he gets 30+ starts this year. If this happens we'll know a lot more about his future. If he can develop 1 good pitch he'll make a lot of money as a reliever. If he develop 2 or more pitches, he'll make a lot of money as a starter.

 

His success in 2008 wasn't something sustainable and his "success" in 2009 made that pretty clear.

[Tracer Bullet]

That, and he looks to be made up of equal parts of [expletive] and douchebag.

 

please explain

[Sammy Sofa]

That, and he looks to be made up of equal parts of [expletive] and douchebag.

 

please explain

 

I literally mean "looks."

[CUBZ99]

Considering Shark's fastball, I don't think it is a stretch to believe that if he were to develop his off speed pitches that he could be an effective starter. Granted, that is a big "if", and he hasn't shown the ability to do that in the past.

 

Very encouraging to hear Rothschild's comments that he believes Shark has finally turned the corner.

[Derwood]

That, and he looks to be made up of equal parts of [expletive] and douchebag.

 

just about every one of Marshall's stats is worse as a starter than a reliever. K/9, K/BB, OpOPS, ERA, WHIP....

 

But the question isn't whether he's better as a reliever or a starter. The question is whether he can be at least acceptable as a starter if called upon and it's likely that he would be. Sean Marshall having to get starts isn't the end of the world by any stretch of the imagination.

 

depends on how long he has to be going out there. is Lilly really only out for a month? can Wells keep from falling off a cliff? If we're suddenly at a place where Marshall is getting 20+ starts, that wouldn't be good