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[NCCubFan]

Two recent episodes had Cubs entries. One was the 9 most lopsided trades in MLB history. Two Cubs trades (one good, one bad) made the list. #7 was Ivan DeJesus for Larry Bowa and a throw-in named Ryne Sandberg, and #5 was Lou Brock for Ernie Broglio. #1 on the list was Babe Ruth for cash. Another episode was the top player at each position for the 1960s. The third baseman was Ron Santo.

[Guancous]

They had an episode about the most tragic baseball players. They showed a clip of Mark Prior as they headed to the top 4. #5 was a guy who accidentally took a shotgun blast in the head.

 

Prior wasn't on the final list but he was in the conversation.

[DanzaSlap]

This is germane to nothing, really, but the accidental shotgun blast to the head made me think of it:

 

List of baseball players who committed suicide

 

If you're as morbid as me, perhaps you will find that interesting. Wikipedia has an article about almost all of those players.

[erik316wttn]

They had an episode about the most tragic baseball players. They showed a clip of Mark Prior as they headed to the top 4. #5 was a guy who accidentally took a shotgun blast in the head.

 

Prior wasn't on the final list but he was in the conversation.

 

Without looking: Lyman Bostock and Tony Conigliaro had to have been on that list, right?

[NCCubFan]

They had an episode about the most tragic baseball players. They showed a clip of Mark Prior as they headed to the top 4. #5 was a guy who accidentally took a shotgun blast in the head.

 

Prior wasn't on the final list but he was in the conversation.

 

Without looking: Lyman Bostock and Tony Conigliaro had to have been on that list, right?

I think Herb Score might be as well. That's just speculation; I didn't see that episode.

[Rob]

If Ray Chapman wasn't #1, the list is bunk.

[Clem Fandango]

IIRC, J.P. Richard was up there, not sure if he was #1 though

[NCCubFan]

IIRC, J.P. Richard was up there, not sure if he was #1 though

I think you mean J.R. Richard (not J.P.), and I'd think he'd be up there. He seemed to be headed for major stardom before having his career cut short by a stroke.

[Clem Fandango]

IIRC, J.P. Richard was up there, not sure if he was #1 though

I think you mean J.R. Richard (not J.P.), and I'd think he'd be up there. He seemed to be headed for major stardom before having his career cut short by a stroke.

 

Yeah, that's it. I never knew who he was before that show. It's a tragic story

[NCCubFan]

Top 9 broadcasters of all time:

 

9. Curt Gowdy

8. Phil Rizzutto

7. Harry Caray

6. Harry Kalas

5. Ernie Harwell

4. Jack Buck

3. Red Barber

2. Mel Allen

1. Vin Scully

[Clem Fandango]

Where's Tim McCarver?

[Guest]

Nine isn't prime, though.

[erik316wttn]

Top 9 broadcasters of all time:

 

9. Curt Gowdy

8. Phil Rizzutto

7. Harry Caray

6. Harry Kalas

5. Ernie Harwell

4. Jack Buck

3. Red Barber

2. Mel Allen

1. Vin Scully

 

It's a shame that most of the greatest voices baseball will ever know are gone. Fantastic announcers, ones that can take the listening experience to the next level, are a dying breed.

[SouthSideRyan]

Fogeyism

[imb]

few things worse than talking about how amazing a bunch of broadcasters youve heard were

[NCCubFan]

Top 9 broadcasters of all time:

 

9. Curt Gowdy

8. Phil Rizzutto

7. Harry Caray

6. Harry Kalas

5. Ernie Harwell

4. Jack Buck

3. Red Barber

2. Mel Allen

1. Vin Scully

 

It's a shame that most of the greatest voices baseball will ever know are gone. Fantastic announcers, ones that can take the listening experience to the next level, are a dying breed.

I like Pat Hughes' Baseball Voices CD series for that reason. The great broadcasters may be gone but we can still have the memories.

[NewUserName]

Two recent episodes had Cubs entries. One was the 9 most lopsided trades in MLB history. Two Cubs trades (one good, one bad) made the list. #7 was Ivan DeJesus for Larry Bowa and a throw-in named Ryne Sandberg, and #5 was Lou Brock for Ernie Broglio. #1 on the list was Babe Ruth for cash. Another episode was the top player at each position for the 1960s. The third baseman was Ron Santo.

 

1)Babe Ruth from Boston to the Yankees for $125,000 & $300,000 mortgage in 1920

2)Nolan Ryan from Mets to Angels for 3B Jim Fergosi in 1972

3)Frank Robinson to Baltimore from Cinncinatti for P Milt Pappas in 1966

4)Prospects Derek Lowe & Jason Varitek to Boston from Seattle for Reliever Heathcliff Slocumb in 1997

5)Lou Brock to St. Louis from Cubs for P Ernie Broglio in early 1964

6)Prospects Curt Schilling,Steve Finley & Pete Harnisch to Houston from Baltimore for 1B Glenn Davis in 1991

7)Larry Bowa & prospect Ryne Sandberg to Cubs from Phillies for SS Ivonne DeJesus in 1982

8)David Cone to Mets from Kansas City for catcher Ed Hearn in 1987

9)Jeff Bagwell from Boston to Houston for reliever Larry Anderson in 1990

 

I didnt see the show so I dont know what the measuring stick was, it appears that this list may be more about perception than fact though. Example, Milt Pappas was not awful for the Reds. Or does it take into account that Lou Brock had nowhere to play for the Cubs since he couldnt handle CF. Or that it basically boiled down to Steve Finley for Glenn Davis because the Astros turned around and made equally bad trade with Schilling.

 

For actual production being swapped the Bobby Abreu/Kevin Stocker trade may be worse then most of those. The Bagwell trade certainly should be higher

 

Edit: and where is Pedro for Delino DeShields?

[chuckywang]

Where's Tim McCarver?

 

Recording a jazz album

[Garwilly]

Two recent episodes had Cubs entries. One was the 9 most lopsided trades in MLB history. Two Cubs trades (one good, one bad) made the list. #7 was Ivan DeJesus for Larry Bowa and a throw-in named Ryne Sandberg, and #5 was Lou Brock for Ernie Broglio. #1 on the list was Babe Ruth for cash. Another episode was the top player at each position for the 1960s. The third baseman was Ron Santo.

 

1)Babe Ruth from Boston to the Yankees for $125,000 & $300,000 mortgage in 1920

2)Nolan Ryan from Mets to Angels for 3B Jim Fergosi in 1972

3)Frank Robinson to Baltimore from Cinncinatti for P Milt Pappas in 1966

4)Prospects Derek Lowe & Jason Varitek to Boston from Seattle for Reliever Heathcliff Slocumb in 1997

5)Lou Brock to St. Louis from Cubs for P Ernie Broglio in early 1964

6)Prospects Curt Schilling,Steve Finley & Pete Harnisch to Houston from Baltimore for 1B Glenn Davis in 1991

7)Larry Bowa & prospect Ryne Sandberg to Cubs from Phillies for SS Ivonne DeJesus in 1982

8)David Cone to Mets from Kansas City for catcher Ed Hearn in 1987

9)Jeff Bagwell from Boston to Houston for reliever Larry Anderson in 1990

 

I didnt see the show so I dont know what the measuring stick was, it appears that this list may be more about perception than fact though. Example, Milt Pappas was not awful for the Reds. Or does it take into account that Lou Brock had nowhere to play for the Cubs since he couldnt handle CF. Or that it basically boiled down to Steve Finley for Glenn Davis because the Astros turned around and made equally bad trade with Schilling.

 

For actual production being swapped the Bobby Abreu/Kevin Stocker trade may be worse then most of those. The Bagwell trade certainly should be higher

 

Edit: and where is Pedro for Delino DeShields?

 

 

Or anything from 1921 through 1963, seems as though the modern feel to the list (aside from Ruth), further reinforces your belief about perception.

[Rob]

Two recent episodes had Cubs entries. One was the 9 most lopsided trades in MLB history. Two Cubs trades (one good, one bad) made the list. #7 was Ivan DeJesus for Larry Bowa and a throw-in named Ryne Sandberg, and #5 was Lou Brock for Ernie Broglio. #1 on the list was Babe Ruth for cash. Another episode was the top player at each position for the 1960s. The third baseman was Ron Santo.

 

1)Babe Ruth from Boston to the Yankees for $125,000 & $300,000 mortgage in 1920

2)Nolan Ryan from Mets to Angels for 3B Jim Fergosi in 1972

3)Frank Robinson to Baltimore from Cinncinatti for P Milt Pappas in 1966

4)Prospects Derek Lowe & Jason Varitek to Boston from Seattle for Reliever Heathcliff Slocumb in 1997

5)Lou Brock to St. Louis from Cubs for P Ernie Broglio in early 1964

6)Prospects Curt Schilling,Steve Finley & Pete Harnisch to Houston from Baltimore for 1B Glenn Davis in 1991

7)Larry Bowa & prospect Ryne Sandberg to Cubs from Phillies for SS Ivonne DeJesus in 1982

8)David Cone to Mets from Kansas City for catcher Ed Hearn in 1987

9)Jeff Bagwell from Boston to Houston for reliever Larry Anderson in 1990

 

I didnt see the show so I dont know what the measuring stick was, it appears that this list may be more about perception than fact though. Example, Milt Pappas was not awful for the Reds. Or does it take into account that Lou Brock had nowhere to play for the Cubs since he couldnt handle CF. Or that it basically boiled down to Steve Finley for Glenn Davis because the Astros turned around and made equally bad trade with Schilling.

 

For actual production being swapped the Bobby Abreu/Kevin Stocker trade may be worse then most of those. The Bagwell trade certainly should be higher

 

Edit: and where is Pedro for Delino DeShields?

 

Bagwell for Larry Anderson obviously hurt the Sox long term, so I wont debate that. But they also got a reliever who gave up 3 runs over 22 innings the rest of the season... and they won the division by 2 games. I don't feel like scouring game logs, but it seems like a pretty safe bet that the Sox were very pleased with the short term results when all they gave up was a bad defensive 3B with doubles power.

 

Of course, we all have the benefit of knowing that his doubles would start going over the fence and he'd become a fantastic 1B, but I think it's being a bit dishonest to judge the trade by anything other than the information they had at the time.

[NewUserName]

Two recent episodes had Cubs entries. One was the 9 most lopsided trades in MLB history. Two Cubs trades (one good, one bad) made the list. #7 was Ivan DeJesus for Larry Bowa and a throw-in named Ryne Sandberg, and #5 was Lou Brock for Ernie Broglio. #1 on the list was Babe Ruth for cash. Another episode was the top player at each position for the 1960s. The third baseman was Ron Santo.

 

1)Babe Ruth from Boston to the Yankees for $125,000 & $300,000 mortgage in 1920

2)Nolan Ryan from Mets to Angels for 3B Jim Fergosi in 1972

3)Frank Robinson to Baltimore from Cinncinatti for P Milt Pappas in 1966

4)Prospects Derek Lowe & Jason Varitek to Boston from Seattle for Reliever Heathcliff Slocumb in 1997

5)Lou Brock to St. Louis from Cubs for P Ernie Broglio in early 1964

6)Prospects Curt Schilling,Steve Finley & Pete Harnisch to Houston from Baltimore for 1B Glenn Davis in 1991

7)Larry Bowa & prospect Ryne Sandberg to Cubs from Phillies for SS Ivonne DeJesus in 1982

8)David Cone to Mets from Kansas City for catcher Ed Hearn in 1987

9)Jeff Bagwell from Boston to Houston for reliever Larry Anderson in 1990

 

I didnt see the show so I dont know what the measuring stick was, it appears that this list may be more about perception than fact though. Example, Milt Pappas was not awful for the Reds. Or does it take into account that Lou Brock had nowhere to play for the Cubs since he couldnt handle CF. Or that it basically boiled down to Steve Finley for Glenn Davis because the Astros turned around and made equally bad trade with Schilling.

 

For actual production being swapped the Bobby Abreu/Kevin Stocker trade may be worse then most of those. The Bagwell trade certainly should be higher

 

Edit: and where is Pedro for Delino DeShields?

 

Bagwell for Larry Anderson obviously hurt the Sox long term, so I wont debate that. But they also got a reliever who gave up 3 runs over 22 innings the rest of the season... and they won the division by 2 games. I don't feel like scouring game logs, but it seems like a pretty safe bet that the Sox were very pleased with the short term results when all they gave up was a bad defensive 3B with doubles power.

 

Of course, we all have the benefit of knowing that his doubles would start going over the fence and he'd become a fantastic 1B, but I think it's being a bit dishonest to judge the trade by anything other than the information they had at the time.

 

I think it is real easy to look back 10 yrs later and wonder what a GM was thinking. Often at the time fans of the teams that supposedly lost these trades were probably happy about them. I dont think to many people were questioning most of these trades at the time they occurred. If they were they were probably questioning something like giving up Glenn Davis for a bunch of unproven prospects.

[NCCubFan]

The Bagwell for Anderson trade reminds me of another trade that didn't make the list, Detroit trading John Smoltz to Atlanta for Doyle Alexander in 1987. In the long run Atlanta obviously got the best of the trade, but the immediate aftermath was in Detroit's favor. Alexander went 9-0 in 11 starts with a 1.53 ERA and 1.008 WHIP following the trade and was a major factor in Detroit's winning the AL East that year (similar impact to Sutcliffe for the 1984 Cubs). Meanwhile Smoltz was a major part of the later Braves' dynasty. So that trade helped both teams, Detroit in the present and Atlanta in the future.

[Shilzzz]

can we have perhaps a stickied thread for different things cubs related popping up on mlb network? i know i, for one, would appreciate it.