Re: Cubs upset with Theriot?

[Sammy Sofa]

Not when the team is hurting for cash and he plays the one position where the Cubs actually have a line forming of young prospects who are ideally much, much, much better than him. Screw Theriot. The sooner he gets traded the better, and I hope he's out of baseball ASAP after it happens. Let the twerp go rock the bitchin' Ed Hardy gear while selling cars, bra.

[Rob]

are all these bloody figures from fangraphs???

 

how can you read a figure like that and actually believe it has merit??

 

yeesh

 

Meh. If you understand all the caveats involved, I don't have a problem at all with you using the numbers in illustration of a point.

 

Most people don't understand the issues with those numbers, though.

[wvcbxl]

I don't mind Theriot at 3.4 actually.

However, if the Cubs' contract situation at other positions requires them to go cheap in the middle infield, I also don't mind them trading Theriot while his value is high, especially if his replacement could be one of the keys to longer term success for the team. No disrespect to Ryan, but that's something he sure isn't.

[Backtobanks]

Not when the team is hurting for cash and he plays the one position where the Cubs actually have a line forming of young prospects who are ideally much, much, much better than him. Screw Theriot. The sooner he gets traded the better, and I hope he's out of baseball ASAP after it happens. Let the twerp go rock the bitchin' Ed Hardy gear while selling cars, bra.

 

The key words in that sentence are "prospects" and "ideally". Until Castro or any other prospect can prove themself at the ML level, we need a ML level average SS. I really hope Castro is the real deal, but we've gone through decades of hype about positional prospects without much to show for it. Also, everybody jumping on the "Trade Theriot" bandwagon needs to realize that Hudson, Kennedy, Cabrera, and Lopez didn't get any teams too excited about signing them.

[Old Style]

Trade this moron while he is still worth something. I'd rather go with Blanco at SS until Castro is ready. You won't get much offense, but the defense will be much better.

[Sammy Sofa]

Also, everybody jumping on the "Trade Theriot" bandwagon needs to realize that Hudson, Kennedy, Cabrera, and Lopez didn't get any teams too excited about signing them.

 

Which makes Theriot's demands even more frustrating since he is, at his very best, a league average SS.

[hardcorecubfan]

If he4 is going to arbitration won't the judge/panel find a happy medium?

[Derwood]

If he4 is going to arbitration won't the judge/panel find a happy medium?

 

yes, but the Cubs have a pretty long streak of avoiding arbitration hearings.

[jersey cubs fan]

the one player who has been consistently and quietly doing his job would get a break.

 

He has been anything but quiet. The guy talks all the time, and half the time he's talking he's wearing one of those god awful affliction t-shirts, so you know he is a horrible human being right of the bat. He whines about happy clubhouse issues and tried to sell the excuse that Milton's attitude made the team worse last year and that they should sign Ben Sheets because he makes jokes that will make everybody happy and play better.

 

He's also on the wrong side of 30 and likely to get worse as time goes on, and hasn't been that good to begin with.

 

A guy who isn't good and whose only value is not costing too much shouldn't be telling the GM what personel decisions to make. He can ask for whatever he wants, and I'd love it if the tighter budget makes them think about dealing him sooner than later. But the little SOB won nearly $6m in arbitration on my MLB2k9 season, so he's persona non grata in my clubhouse.

[jersey cubs fan]

If he4 is going to arbitration won't the judge/panel find a happy medium?

 

No, they pick one number or the other. The agent and club can agree to a happy medium before the hearing, but the panel selects only one number.

[Sammy Sofa]

the one player who has been consistently and quietly doing his job would get a break.

 

He has been anything but quiet. The guy talks all the time, and half the time he's talking he's wearing one of those god awful affliction t-shirts, so you know he is a horrible human being right of the bat. He whines about happy clubhouse issues and tried to sell the excuse that Milton's attitude made the team worse last year and that they should sign Ben Sheets because he makes jokes that will make everybody happy and play better.

 

He's also on the wrong side of 30 and likely to get worse as time goes on, and hasn't been that good to begin with.

 

A guy who isn't good and whose only value is not costing too much shouldn't be telling the GM what personel decisions to make. He can ask for whatever he wants, and I'd love it if the tighter budget makes them think about dealing him sooner than later. But the little SOB won nearly $6m in arbitration on my MLB2k9 season, so he's persona non grata in my clubhouse.

 

His repeated attamepts at the douchiest possible facial hair variations don't help, either.

[jyoung55]

Those spewing this vitriol do realize we are talking about a separation of $800K, right? On a payroll over $140 Million, right? I'm not sure everyone who has posted in this thread read the actual dollar amounts in the first post.

 

The Cubs don't need Theriot for forever, but they do need him now so that we can be patient with Castro until he is completely ready to make the move. So just split the middle to $3 mill and call it a day.

[jersey cubs fan]

Those spewing this vitriol do realize we are talking about a separation of $800K, right? On a payroll over $140 Million, right? I'm not sure everyone who has posted in this thread read the actual dollar amounts in the first post.

 

The Cubs don't need Theriot for forever, but they do need him now so that we can be patient with Castro until he is completely ready to make the move. So just split the middle to $3 mill and call it a day.

 

I'm guessing any reports of a rift with the Cubs is based on Theriot's people not being willing to split the difference in the way that pretty much every other arbitration case has done.

[dew1679666265]

Those spewing this vitriol do realize we are talking about a separation of $800K, right? On a payroll over $140 Million, right? I'm not sure everyone who has posted in this thread read the actual dollar amounts in the first post.

 

The Cubs don't need Theriot for forever, but they do need him now so that we can be patient with Castro until he is completely ready to make the move. So just split the middle to $3 mill and call it a day.

 

I'm guessing any reports of a rift with the Cubs is based on Theriot's people not being willing to split the difference in the way that pretty much every other arbitration case has done.

 

Yeah, it's that he reportedly won't budge from his asking price that's got the Cubs brass pissed off. All players ask for more than the club wants them to in arbitration, but most also will negotiate to middle ground. Theriot is reportedly not doing that.

[JonJayCutler]

Nothing should be done with Theriot until Castro is ready. Castro is not ready. Next offseason perhaps.

[jersey cubs fan]

Nothing should be done with Theriot until Castro is ready. Castro is not ready. Next offseason perhaps.

 

Next offseason at the latest. By then his value will be much less. He'll have played his age 30 season, he'll be making millions and due for another raise regardless of performance. If you want to get any value out of Theriot, you trade him within the next 6 months. Castro may be ready before then, and there's enough depth to hold ground without him for a bit.

[JonJayCutler]

Nothing should be done with Theriot until Castro is ready. Castro is not ready. Next offseason perhaps.

 

Next offseason at the latest. By then his value will be much less. He'll have played his age 30 season, he'll be making millions and due for another raise regardless of performance. If you want to get any value out of Theriot, you trade him within the next 6 months. Castro may be ready before then, and there's enough depth to hold ground without him for a bit.

 

I think this should depend on where the Cubs are in terms of the playoff race this summer. I wouldn't be too comfortable with a revolving door at SS while making a playoff push.

[Backtobanks]

Nothing should be done with Theriot until Castro is ready. Castro is not ready. Next offseason perhaps.

 

Next offseason at the latest. By then his value will be much less. He'll have played his age 30 season, he'll be making millions and due for another raise regardless of performance. If you want to get any value out of Theriot, you trade him within the next 6 months. Castro may be ready before then, and there's enough depth to hold ground without him for a bit.

 

I repeat the message in my earlier post, how much value does Theriot have? Teams haven't exactly been lining up to jump on the Hudson, Kennedy, Cabrera, and Lopez bandwagon. If we could get somebody in return that would be a reasonable upgrade to the Cubs current roster, then great, but to trade the starting SS on a team that hopes to contend because some posters don't like him and he's asking for $800,000 more than the team is offering is ridiculous.

[Prizefight]

Really don't understand the hatred for a guy making less than 3 million dollars who's been playing out of position his entire time as a Cub outside of his obvious tshirt and facial hair choice.

 

Obviously he realizes his days as a Cub are numbered so he's trying to get as much out of the club as possible, every person here would be doing the exact same imo. Clearly his arm and range at short is limited, but it's not his fault that Lou/Jim have kept a team that required him to play there.

 

He's an average MLB player as has been discussed, not worth all this aggression.

[Soul]

I'd trade Theriot. Wouldn't bother me at all. Depends on the return, of course.

[Prizefight]

I'd trade Theriot. Wouldn't bother me at all. Depends on the return, of course.

 

 

Ditto. But then again we don't have a single un-tradeable player on the 25 man roster currently imo.

[dew1679666265]

Really don't understand the hatred for a guy making less than 3 million dollars who's been playing out of position his entire time as a Cub outside of his obvious tshirt and facial hair choice.

 

Obviously he realizes his days as a Cub are numbered so he's trying to get as much out of the club as possible, every person here would be doing the exact same imo. Clearly his arm and range at short is limited, but it's not his fault that Lou/Jim have kept a team that required him to play there.

 

He's an average MLB player as has been discussed, not worth all this aggression.

 

Theriot has said repeatedly that he views himself as a shortstop and says that is his natural position.

[dew1679666265]

Nothing should be done with Theriot until Castro is ready. Castro is not ready. Next offseason perhaps.

 

Next offseason at the latest. By then his value will be much less. He'll have played his age 30 season, he'll be making millions and due for another raise regardless of performance. If you want to get any value out of Theriot, you trade him within the next 6 months. Castro may be ready before then, and there's enough depth to hold ground without him for a bit.

 

I repeat the message in my earlier post, how much value does Theriot have? Teams haven't exactly been lining up to jump on the Hudson, Kennedy, Cabrera, and Lopez bandwagon. If we could get somebody in return that would be a reasonable upgrade to the Cubs current roster, then great, but to trade the starting SS on a team that hopes to contend because some posters don't like him and he's asking for $800,000 more than the team is offering is ridiculous.

 

The idea is that because of youth and inexpensiveness he would command quite a bit in a trade. I don't necessarily think so, but wouldn't be opposed to shopping him around to get an idea of his value around the league. I wouldn't trade him for peanuts, however, and I don't think too many others on here have supported that.

[Prizefight]

 

Theriot has said repeatedly that he views himself as a shortstop and says that is his natural position.

 

Right, but that doesn't change the fact that both Lou and Jim could have moved him to 2nd at some point. Plenty of guys have played not their preferred spots for the benefit of the team. ARod being an extreme example.

 

Still nothing worth loathing the guy over.

[wvcbxl]

Those spewing this vitriol do realize we are talking about a separation of $800K, right? On a payroll over $140 Million, right? I'm not sure everyone who has posted in this thread read the actual dollar amounts in the first post.

 

The Cubs don't need Theriot for forever, but they do need him now so that we can be patient with Castro until he is completely ready to make the move. So just split the middle to $3 mill and call it a day.

 

I'm guessing any reports of a rift with the Cubs is based on Theriot's people not being willing to split the difference in the way that pretty much every other arbitration case has done.

 

Yeah, it's that he reportedly won't budge from his asking price that's got the Cubs brass pissed off. All players ask for more than the club wants them to in arbitration, but most also will negotiate to middle ground. Theriot is reportedly not doing that.

 

So the truly hilarious outcome would be the arbitration panel settling on the Cubs figure. 8-)