Juan Pierre Traded to the White Sox

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White Sox Acquire Juan Pierre

By Ben Nicholson-Smith [December 15 at 9:52am CST]

The White Sox acquired Juan Pierre from the Dodgers for two minor league pitchers, according to Yahoo's Tim Brown. The Dodgers will take on roughly half of Pierre's salary. The outfielder has $18.5MM remaining on his deal ($10MM next year and $8.5MM in 2011), so the Dodgers are taking on about $9MM.

 

Dont worry, to the other side of town. Not a bad deal for the White Sox, is what I would say if they had any use for Juan Pierre when they already have Alex Rios..

[SouthSideRyan]

Alex Rios and Juan Pierre aren't similar at all.

[Wheelimus]

I almost thought about posting this news under the title "Chicago Acquires Juan Pierre" but decided I couldn't risk the bad karma. Ha.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Alex Rios and Juan Pierre aren't similar at all.

 

I know, I just find it odd. They have Quentin, Rios, and now Andruw Jones, so they were then looking for a DH such as Matsui, Vlad, or Thome. I guess they could put Pierre in left with Rios in center and between Jones and Quentin, they have their RF and DH.

[Sever82]

I honestly think this is a very solid pick up for them. Especially with the salary being picked up. If Pierre's production comes close to last year's it a nice pick up for the sox. I would gladly take pierre at about 4 million over the next two years.

[SouthSideRyan]

Pierre had his best season in 5 years last year. I don't see him as likely to repeat. And Guillen is likely to compound this mistake by batting him 1 all year vs. righties.

[YearofDaCubs]

I normally would laugh at this but I'm keeping my mouth shut considering we have a good chance to end up with Podsednik

[A-Cal]

don't know what the sox gave up, but the price is definitely right

[moochpuppy]

Alex Rios and Juan Pierre aren't similar at all.

 

I know, I just find it odd. They have Quentin, Rios, and now Andruw Jones, so they were then looking for a DH such as Matsui, Vlad, or Thome. I guess they could put Pierre in left with Rios in center and between Jones and Quentin, they have their RF and DH.

 

Pierre will most likely play LF and leadoff with Quentin moving to RF and Rios playing CF. If KW makes no additional moves A.Jones and Kotsay will share the DHing duties.

 

I still think KW has another move in him for an OFer so Quentin can be the fulltime DH.

[Tarver]

Did Coletti introduce Williams to his wife or something? This is a disasterous move for the Sox. No upside to this at all.

[BCVM22]

Will Hawk's love of Slappy exceed his love for the ballplayer of ballplayers that was Darin Erstad? Stay tuned.

[Sever82]

Alex Rios and Juan Pierre aren't similar at all.

 

I know, I just find it odd. They have Quentin, Rios, and now Andruw Jones, so they were then looking for a DH such as Matsui, Vlad, or Thome. I guess they could put Pierre in left with Rios in center and between Jones and Quentin, they have their RF and DH.

 

Pierre will most likely play LF and leadoff with Quentin moving to RF and Rios playing CF. If KW makes no additional moves A.Jones and Kotsay will share the DHing duties.

 

I still think KW has another move in him for an OFer so Quentin can be the fulltime DH.

 

Bruce Levine speculates that this move might mean the Sox will trade Quentin. Supposedly the Sox dont have much confidence in Quentin's injury woes. That kind of makes sense. I wonder what kind of value they can get for Quentin, Quentin is a nice player but he's the positional Kerry Wood.

[inari]

I honestly think this is a very solid pick up for them. Especially with the salary being picked up. If Pierre's production comes close to last year's it a nice pick up for the sox. I would gladly take pierre at about 4 million over the next two years.

 

 

You'd gladly take a completely unproductive player at 4 million a year? More power to you.

[sweetpeteman]

I honestly think this is a very solid pick up for them. Especially with the salary being picked up. If Pierre's production comes close to last year's it a nice pick up for the sox. I would gladly take pierre at about 4 million over the next two years.

 

 

You'd gladly take a completely unproductive player at 4 million a year? More power to you.

 

 

But he had two months where he didn't completely suck!!!!!

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hahhhahahh

[cubsfan26]

It's funny watching Chicago Tribune Live and all the writers talking about how this is such a good move. Then Dave Kaplan and Steve Stone blaming the Cubs for not cutting the grass earlier in the 2006 season and using that as the reason why Pierre didn't have a better season. But Steve Stone still pointed out that Pierre had over 200 hits that season. I believe that fans these days pay too much attention to alot of these stats. But seriously these sports writers are just so clueless.

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It's funny watching Chicago Tribune Live and all the writers talking about how this is such a good move. Then Dave Kaplan and Steve Stone blaming the Cubs for not cutting the grass earlier in the 2006 season and using that as the reason why Pierre didn't have a better season. But Steve Stone still pointed out that Pierre had over 200 hits that season. I believe that fans these days pay too much attention to alot of these stats. But seriously these sports writers are just so clueless.

 

they use era a lot too

[cubsfan26]

Funny or not, sorry that I still value actual results a pitcher gets in a season. But you wouldn't be correct because they don't use ERA alot. They talk about how many wins a pitcher gets.

[inari]

Funny or not, sorry that I still value actual results a pitcher gets in a season. But you wouldn't be correct because they don't use ERA alot. They talk about how many wins a pitcher gets.

 

Juan Pierre's hits show awesome results.

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winner

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Funny or not, sorry that I still value actual results a pitcher gets in a season. But you wouldn't be correct because they don't use ERA alot. They talk about how many wins a pitcher gets.

 

how many times does it have to be explained to you that era for reliever doesn't even show results?

 

using era for a reliever is just as bad as using hits for a hitter

 

also, by your logic, wins show results

[cubsfan26]

Juan Pierre's hits show awesome results

 

#-o if his hits lead to good results then you might be right, but they didn't. Hits are only part of a hitters stats, what type of hits and taking walks are what equal the good results. For a pitcher, getting outs and not giving up runs is what leads to good results. All the other stats just show how pretty he made things look when trying to get those outs. Which can be a indication of if a pitcher can keep getting those results going forward or not. But at some point the excuse of luck runs out. But whatever I'm done with this topic. If you guys have nothing better to do then raze me, well then have fun.

 

 

also, by your logic, wins show results

 

Wins are a team stat.

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http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/HOU/HOU200907070.shtml

 

single

lineout

single

walk

double play

 

grabow's era was 0.00 for that outing. was he effective? no, he sucked and got lucky. yuou're going to argue that he got the double play when he needed it, right? why didn't he get the double play earlier? he didn't need it then? his badassness doesn't kick in until he's in a certain level of trouble?

 

 

besides, you might be able to make that "results blah blah" argument with starting pitching, but not relievers. are you never going to acknowledge that era for relievers doesn't even show "results"?

 

grabow comes in with 2 outs and the bases loaded. he walks the first guy to force in a run. the next guy ropes a double down the line to score 2 more. then the next guy pops out.

 

his era for that day was 0.00, so he got results, right?

[wvcbxl]

his era for that day was 0.00, so he got results, right?

 

Singular: he got a result that day.

 

Arguing the relative value of a statistic on a one game sample size is generally a bad idea, imho.

[cubsfan26]

single

lineout

single

walk

double play

 

grabow's era was 0.00 for that outing. was he effective? no, he sucked and got luck

 

How do we know he sucked? We don't know if he was actually pretty decent that day. You need to tell me how well hit those singles were. If someone got a cheap single through the infield or a infielder wasn't in the right postion to field it. Also was the line-out softly hit or hard hit? Was the walk to set up a double play? He could have had bad luck to be in that postion in the first place and things evened out. Also you can show me game logs of just about every reliever having innings like that. It doesn't mean they were able to get the same results that Grabow has gotten the last few seasons. Or these type of innings happen to Grabow more then others.

 

grabow comes in with 2 outs and the bases loaded. he walks the first guy to force in a run. the next guy ropes a double down the line to score 2 more. then the next guy pops out.

 

his era for that day was 0.00, so he got results, right?

 

Again if these type of things happen alot then you might have a point. But you do realize that Grabow has been decent to pretty good when it comes to allowing inherited runners to score. I know your using this example to try to prove a point. But it doesn't prove anything, unless you can say these type of things happen alot. Your just assuming these things happen alot, because thats often the case when those "stats" tell you a guys era shouldn't be as good. But like I said those stats are flawed for reasons just like this. If you look at Grabow game logs. You would see that he gives up 1 or 2 base runners in innings sometimes but not much more then that very often and when he does it's when he gives up runs. The guy hasn't been saved by allowing other pitchers runs to score or other people bailing him out like you might think. Plus he's gotten the chance to start and finsh his own innings alot. Basically teams haven't hit him very well over the last two seasons. So if he does walk a hitter or give up a single. He rarely gives up two singles in a inning and if does, he doesn't usually walks people often on top of that. When he has done that is in games it's when he hasn't gotten good results.

 

 

Arguing the relative value of a statistic on a one game sample size is generally a bad idea, imho.

 

Exactly, and it's a waste of time. I really wish we would just drop this topic and agree to disagree. But these two guys feel the need to keep bringing it up. So I really gotta just stop responding to them, it's just as much my fault as there's.