Juan Pierre Traded to the White Sox

[17 Seconds]

Arguing the relative value of a statistic on a one game sample size is generally a bad idea, imho.

 

not really sure if you didn't understand my post or something.it's just an example of how era can be skewed over the course of a full season.

 

how often do you see a pitcher end a full season with an era that doesn't really match up with his overall stats? all the time.

 

are you guys trying to argue that it's not common for pitchers to have ERAs that don't match up with their overall stats? if you aren't, then are you arguing that a pitcher can have an talent/ability to consistently pitch better under certain pressure sitations and get out of jams at an above average rate on a yearly basis?

 

i just want to know where we stand on this

[17 Seconds]

How do we know he sucked? We don't know if he was actually pretty decent that day. You need to tell me how well hit those singles were. If someone got a cheap single through the infield or a infielder wasn't in the right postion to field it. Also was the line-out softly hit or hard hit? Was the walk to set up a double play? He could have had bad luck to be in that postion in the first place and things evened out. Also you can show me game logs of just about every reliever having innings like that. It doesn't mean they were able to get the same results that Grabow has gotten the last few seasons. Or these type of innings happen to Grabow more then others.

 

everything you're asking for is right in the link i gave you

 

It doesn't mean they were able to get the same results that Grabow has gotten the last few seasons. Or these type of innings happen to Grabow more then others.

 

wait, so if grabow DOESN'T have those types of innings more often, then how do you think he keeps his era low despite stats that don't really back it up? you're kind of arguin for me and against yourself here.

[wvcbxl]

Arguing the relative value of a statistic on a one game sample size is generally a bad idea, imho.

 

not really sure if you didn't understand my post or something.

 

I understand that in ERA the "A" stands for average, which implies a sufficient sample size.

One game isn't a sufficient sample size, imho.

 

I'm not commenting on the opinions expressed in this thread, merely pointing out that a flawed argument has been presented.

[fromthestretch]

But you do realize that Grabow has been decent to pretty good when it comes to allowing inherited runners to score.

 

He's been below average in two of the past three seasons when it comes to allowing inherited runners to score.

[Rob]

Pierre is probably worth what the White Sox will be paying him over the next two seasons. That's not to say acquiring him was a particularly inspired move, as they'd have been better served to grab somebody with upside... but still, he's likely to be worth three or four mil.

[jersey cubs fan]

Pierre is probably worth what the White Sox will be paying him over the next two seasons. That's not to say acquiring him was a particularly inspired move, as they'd have been better served to grab somebody with upside... but still, he's likely to be worth three or four mil.

 

He might be worth it, but it's hard to say. He's really sucked in most of his recent years and that was during what should have been his peak. He's already 32 and will be 34 by the end of the deal. He has no upside, but his he could have a really low downside.

[Rob]

Pierre is probably worth what the White Sox will be paying him over the next two seasons. That's not to say acquiring him was a particularly inspired move, as they'd have been better served to grab somebody with upside... but still, he's likely to be worth three or four mil.

 

He might be worth it, but it's hard to say. He's really sucked in most of his recent years and that was during what should have been his peak. He's already 32 and will be 34 by the end of the deal. He has no upside, but his he could have a really low downside.

 

Short deals with little financial commitment cant have a really low downside. If he pulls a hamstring, cut him. That four million a season isn't going to break the White Sox payroll. It may require KW to get a bit creative and backload a contract, but it shouldn't impact them in any real direct fashion.

 

Again, not saying the move was a good one. Just saying that it wasn't bad enough to justify some of the responses I've seen so far.

[jersey cubs fan]

Pierre is probably worth what the White Sox will be paying him over the next two seasons. That's not to say acquiring him was a particularly inspired move, as they'd have been better served to grab somebody with upside... but still, he's likely to be worth three or four mil.

 

He might be worth it, but it's hard to say. He's really sucked in most of his recent years and that was during what should have been his peak. He's already 32 and will be 34 by the end of the deal. He has no upside, but his he could have a really low downside.

 

Short deals with little financial commitment cant have a really low downside. If he pulls a hamstring, cut him. That four million a season isn't going to break the White Sox payroll. It may require KW to get a bit creative and backload a contract, but it shouldn't impact them in any real direct fashion.

 

Again, not saying the move was a good one. Just saying that it wasn't bad enough to justify some of the responses I've seen so far.

 

Sure if they cut him that solves the problem, but I disagree that 2/8 can't have really low downside. First off, it's real money that eats into the budget, and second, managers have a bad habit of letting certain types of really bad players keep playing despite being awful. If he gets a lot of playing time and plays as poorly as he is capable, that could really hurt his team.

[Rob]

Pierre is probably worth what the White Sox will be paying him over the next two seasons. That's not to say acquiring him was a particularly inspired move, as they'd have been better served to grab somebody with upside... but still, he's likely to be worth three or four mil.

 

He might be worth it, but it's hard to say. He's really sucked in most of his recent years and that was during what should have been his peak. He's already 32 and will be 34 by the end of the deal. He has no upside, but his he could have a really low downside.

 

Short deals with little financial commitment cant have a really low downside. If he pulls a hamstring, cut him. That four million a season isn't going to break the White Sox payroll. It may require KW to get a bit creative and backload a contract, but it shouldn't impact them in any real direct fashion.

 

Again, not saying the move was a good one. Just saying that it wasn't bad enough to justify some of the responses I've seen so far.

 

Sure if they cut him that solves the problem, but I disagree that 2/8 can't have really low downside. First off, it's real money that eats into the budget, and second, managers have a bad habit of letting certain types of really bad players keep playing despite being awful. If he gets a lot of playing time and plays as poorly as he is capable, that could really hurt his team.

 

That's the downside of the manager, not the player.

[jersey cubs fan]

That's the downside of the manager, not the player.

 

it's still a part of the risk involved with getting the player.

[Guest]

Juan Pierre ended up being a nice player for the Dodgers last year. If he put up those numbers consistently, he'd be a nice top of the order hitter. I don't know if he made some adjustments or not, but I'm still pretty happy he's playing for someone else at this point.