NCAA Conference Realignment

[SouthSideRyan]

And how is Nancy Pelosi "active in the title IX issue?"

[USSoccer]

And how is Nancy Pelosi "active in the title IX issue?"

 

Because she's a Senator. Duh.

[cubsfan]

I'm going to try and figure all of this out. First, we need to split up all the powers to even the divisions:

 

1. Separate Michigan and Ohio State (football powers)

2. Separate Ohio State and Purdue (womens bball)

3. Separate Purdue and Indiana (mens bball)

4. Separate Indiana and Penn State (soccer)

5. Separate Penn State and Illinois (volleyball)

6. Separate Illinois and Iowa (gymnastics)

7. Separate Iowa and Minnesota (wrestling)

8. Separate Minnesota and Wisconsin (hockey)

9. Separate Wisconsin and Michigan State (cross-country)

10. Separate Michigan State and Northwestern (womens lacrosse)

11. Separate Northwestern and Michigan (softball)

 

Divisions go something like this:

 

Indiana Division

Indiana

 

Illinois Division

Illinois

 

Iowa Division

Iowa

 

Michigan Division

Michigan

 

Michigan State Division

Michigan State

 

Minnesota Division

Minnesota

 

Ohio State Division

Ohio State

 

Penn State Division

Penn State

 

Purdue Division

Purdue

 

Wisconsin Division

Wisconsin

 

 

I feel this is the best way to ensure a fair alignment and give each school a fair chance in each sport.

[CubbieBum]

Wow, how did you mentally prepare yourself for interviewing the sitting Speaker of the House for your undergrad paper on Title IX?

 

Oh yeah. Nancy Pelosi is a Congresswoman. Not a Senator.

 

Your degree is in journalism, right?

 

TCOM actually and she wasn't Speaker of the House or really even talked about when I interviewed her.

[USSoccer]

Wow, how did you mentally prepare yourself for interviewing the sitting Speaker of the House for your undergrad paper on Title IX?

 

Oh yeah. Nancy Pelosi is a Congresswoman. Not a Senator.

 

Your degree is in journalism, right?

 

TCOM actually and she wasn't Speaker of the House or really even talked about when I interviewed her.

 

 

But she was a Senator when you interviewed her for your paper at Ball State, right?

 

Senator from California, right?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Just to repeat, I'd be interested in any evidence that Women's sports swayed divisional or conference realignment when it ran counter to the best interests of revenue sports.

 

And as an aside, it's insanely easy to justify for the AD's, because football and (to a lesser extent) basketball pay for the other sports. It's not stiffing the non-revenue programs if it gives them more money, or keeps them alive.

[USSoccer]

Just to repeat, I'd be interested in any evidence that Women's sports swayed divisional or conference realignment when it ran counter to the best interests of revenue sports.

 

And as an aside, it's insanely easy to justify for the AD's, because football and (to a lesser extent) basketball pay for the other sports. It's not stiffing the non-revenue programs if it gives them more money, or keeps them alive.

 

 

This. Title Xi is a sop to women's athletics. They know they only exist because of Football and Basketball programs, as do many of the lesser men's programs.

 

Also, Nancy Pelosi was the House Minority Leader from 2003-2007. Everyone knew who she was.

Edited December 13, 2009 by USSoccer

[SouthSideRyan]

Besides, I wouldn't trust Pelosi's liberal bias anyway. You should have gotten both sides of the political spectrum and interviewed Governor McCain, maybe Pope Guiliani

[UMFan83]

I'm going to try and figure all of this out. First, we need to split up all the powers to even the divisions:

 

1. Separate Michigan and Ohio State (football powers)

2. Separate Ohio State and Purdue (womens bball)

3. Separate Purdue and Indiana (mens bball)

4. Separate Indiana and Penn State (soccer)

5. Separate Penn State and Illinois (volleyball)

6. Separate Illinois and Iowa (gymnastics)

7. Separate Iowa and Minnesota (wrestling)

8. Separate Minnesota and Wisconsin (hockey)

9. Separate Wisconsin and Michigan State (cross-country)

10. Separate Michigan State and Northwestern (womens lacrosse)

11. Separate Northwestern and Michigan (softball)

 

Divisions go something like this:

 

Indiana Division

Indiana

 

Illinois Division

Illinois

 

Iowa Division

Iowa

 

Michigan Division

Michigan

 

Michigan State Division

Michigan State

 

Minnesota Division

Minnesota

 

Ohio State Division

Ohio State

 

Penn State Division

Penn State

 

Purdue Division

Purdue

 

Wisconsin Division

Wisconsin

 

 

I feel this is the best way to ensure a fair alignment and give each school a fair chance in each sport.

 

How can you let Purdue cast such a huge shadow over the Purdue division? Purdue is historically the 2nd most prestigious program in Big Ten hoops. How can you put them in the Purdue division and then leave the Northwestern Division with such a competitive imbalance? Actually I see you didn't even include Northwestern in a division at all. Their women's team finished 4th in the Big Ten 4 years in a row from 1936-1940 and your just gonna ignore them completely?

[CubbieBum]

And how is Nancy Pelosi "active in the title IX issue?"

 

You couldn't find out now by google searching it because she is Speaker of the House but prior to being named Speaker she was mainly known as a Congresswoman who was extremely outspoken and the leader in Congress to make no changes to Title IX. She is uniquely able to speak out because she comes from one of the most democratic districts in the country and thus can be very liberal on controversial topics without worry of losing re-election.

 

http://www.house.gov/pelosi/TitleIX.html

 

That was mainly what she spent her time on before getting national exposure in her bid for the Speaker. In using Lexis Nexis to search for politicians involved in Title IX her name was in almost every single entry found.

[UMFan83]

Besides, I wouldn't trust Pelosi's liberal bias anyway. You should have gotten both sides of the political spectrum and interviewed Governor McCain, maybe Pope Guiliani

 

Or President Obama.

 

Oh wait that one actually happened

[USSoccer]

And how is Nancy Pelosi "active in the title IX issue?"

 

You couldn't find out now by google searching it because she is Speaker of the House but prior to being named Speaker she was mainly known as a Congresswoman who was extremely outspoken and the leader in Congress to make no changes to Title IX. She is uniquely able to speak out because she comes from one of the most democratic districts in the country and thus can be very liberal on controversial topics without worry of losing re-election.

 

http://www.house.gov/pelosi/TitleIX.html

 

That was mainly what she spent her time on before getting national exposure in her bid for the Speaker. In using Lexis Nexis to search for politicians involved in Title IX her name was in almost every single entry found.

 

As a Senator. Who you interviewed. For an undergrad paper while at a smallish University in Indiana.

 

Just admit you used some Lexis/Nexis quotes from Pelosi, and that you didn't actually interview her, and that you don't know what her job is, and we can go back to your bad argument.

[CubbieBum]

Besides, I wouldn't trust Pelosi's liberal bias anyway.

 

I didn't. You had to have at least 10 (or maybe 15 it's been four years now) interviews and I interviewed people on both sides.

[illiniguy]

I'm going to try and figure all of this out. First, we need to split up all the powers to even the divisions:

 

1. Separate Michigan and Ohio State (football powers)

2. Separate Ohio State and Purdue (womens bball)

3. Separate Purdue and Indiana (mens bball)

4. Separate Indiana and Penn State (soccer)

5. Separate Penn State and Illinois (volleyball)

6. Separate Illinois and Iowa (gymnastics)

7. Separate Iowa and Minnesota (wrestling)

8. Separate Minnesota and Wisconsin (hockey)

9. Separate Wisconsin and Michigan State (cross-country)

10. Separate Michigan State and Northwestern (womens lacrosse)

11. Separate Northwestern and Michigan (softball)

 

Divisions go something like this:

 

Indiana Division

Indiana

 

Illinois Division

Illinois

 

Iowa Division

Iowa

 

Michigan Division

Michigan

 

Michigan State Division

Michigan State

 

Minnesota Division

Minnesota

 

Ohio State Division

Ohio State

 

Penn State Division

Penn State

 

Purdue Division

Purdue

 

Wisconsin Division

Wisconsin

 

 

I feel this is the best way to ensure a fair alignment and give each school a fair chance in each sport.

Iowa still wouldn't win their division in basketball this year.

[CubbieBum]

Just to repeat, I'd be interested in any evidence that Women's sports swayed divisional or conference realignment when it ran counter to the best interests of revenue sports.

 

And as an aside, it's insanely easy to justify for the AD's, because football and (to a lesser extent) basketball pay for the other sports. It's not stiffing the non-revenue programs if it gives them more money, or keeps them alive.

 

Might want to do research on what sports actually turn a profit. Football would be at the bottom of the list. They cost millions for 90% of the schools and only the top 35-50 actually make money each year. Women's basketball, after men's basketball, averages the most profit for a large majority of schools. I wrote a big story on this topic for our student paper and FOI'ed a lot of documents detailing what was spent and what was earned.

[USSoccer]

Just to repeat, I'd be interested in any evidence that Women's sports swayed divisional or conference realignment when it ran counter to the best interests of revenue sports.

 

And as an aside, it's insanely easy to justify for the AD's, because football and (to a lesser extent) basketball pay for the other sports. It's not stiffing the non-revenue programs if it gives them more money, or keeps them alive.

 

Might want to do research on what sports actually turn a profit. Football would be at the bottom of the list. They cost millions for 90% of the schools and only the top 35-50 actually make money each year. Women's basketball, after men's basketball, averages the most profit for a large majority of schools. I wrote a big story on this topic for our student paper and FOI'ed a lot of documents detailing what was spent and what was earned.

 

Did Congressman Reid help you proofread it?

[CubbieBum]

And how is Nancy Pelosi "active in the title IX issue?"

 

You couldn't find out now by google searching it because she is Speaker of the House but prior to being named Speaker she was mainly known as a Congresswoman who was extremely outspoken and the leader in Congress to make no changes to Title IX. She is uniquely able to speak out because she comes from one of the most democratic districts in the country and thus can be very liberal on controversial topics without worry of losing re-election.

 

http://www.house.gov/pelosi/TitleIX.html

 

That was mainly what she spent her time on before getting national exposure in her bid for the Speaker. In using Lexis Nexis to search for politicians involved in Title IX her name was in almost every single entry found.

 

As a Senator. Who you interviewed. For an undergrad paper while at a smallish University in Indiana.

 

Just admit you used some Lexis/Nexis quotes from Pelosi, and that you didn't actually interview her, and that you don't know what her job is, and we can go back to your bad argument.

 

Or I did interview her before she was a big name in the national media. I'm not Skyballer and my prof checks every source used.

[USSoccer]

And how is Nancy Pelosi "active in the title IX issue?"

 

You couldn't find out now by google searching it because she is Speaker of the House but prior to being named Speaker she was mainly known as a Congresswoman who was extremely outspoken and the leader in Congress to make no changes to Title IX. She is uniquely able to speak out because she comes from one of the most democratic districts in the country and thus can be very liberal on controversial topics without worry of losing re-election.

 

http://www.house.gov/pelosi/TitleIX.html

 

That was mainly what she spent her time on before getting national exposure in her bid for the Speaker. In using Lexis Nexis to search for politicians involved in Title IX her name was in almost every single entry found.

 

As a Senator. Who you interviewed. For an undergrad paper while at a smallish University in Indiana.

 

Just admit you used some Lexis/Nexis quotes from Pelosi, and that you didn't actually interview her, and that you don't know what her job is, and we can go back to your bad argument.

 

Or I did interview her before she was a big name in the national media. I'm not Skyballer and my prof checks every source used.

 

She was the House Minority Leader from 03-07. Everyone knew who she was because she was on TV shrieking about Iraq every 24 hours (which is what got her attention for Speaker, not Title IX, which no one cares about), so unless you were in in your Telecom class in 2002, I doubt she found time for some college student not in her district to shoot the ish about women's sports. You didn't even know she wasn't a Senator. Your arguments might have some more heft if they weren't riddled with factual error after factual error.

Edited December 13, 2009 by USSoccer

[CubbieBum]

Enough of the side topic that I have stated my case on ... back to the actual thread topic

 

I forget who pointed it out but the divisions probably won't be used in basketball so it mainly comes down to football. In that case OSU-Michigan-PSU can't be in the same division. It would be very stupid to seperate OSU-Michigan so PSU has to go into a different one.

[illiniguy]

Just to repeat, I'd be interested in any evidence that Women's sports swayed divisional or conference realignment when it ran counter to the best interests of revenue sports.

 

And as an aside, it's insanely easy to justify for the AD's, because football and (to a lesser extent) basketball pay for the other sports. It's not stiffing the non-revenue programs if it gives them more money, or keeps them alive.

 

Might want to do research on what sports actually turn a profit. Football would be at the bottom of the list. They cost millions for 90% of the schools and only the top 35-50 actually make money each year. Women's basketball, after men's basketball, averages the most profit for a large majority of schools. I wrote a big story on this topic for our student paper and FOI'ed a lot of documents detailing what was spent and what was earned.

I'd love to see your facts on this, care to share your references?

[SouthSideRyan]

ncaa.org says:

 

Does women’s basketball make a profit?

For a few select schools, it does.

[Derwood]

Enough of the side topic that I have stated my case on ... back to the actual thread topic

 

I forget who pointed it out but the divisions probably won't be used in basketball so it mainly comes down to football. In that case OSU-Michigan-PSU can't be in the same division. It would be very stupid to seperate OSU-Michigan so PSU has to go into a different one.

 

Can't?

[USSoccer]

ncaa.org says:

 

Does women’s basketball make a profit?

For a few select schools, it does.

 

Dude, come on. He's stated his case.

[illiniguy]

ncaa.org says:

 

Does women’s basketball make a profit?

For a few select schools, it does.

i.e. Yes Uconn, Tenn, and Rutgers make a profit.

[USSoccer]

Post the paper and let us all read it.