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I really don't like Melky. He made a splash in his first full season, but started to decline to the point of really sucking in year 3. He had a bounceback year, but still doesn't impress me even though he's only 25 and should get better. I feel like he's a short chubby barely passable CF who stands no chance of sticking there longterm and would be a worthless corner outfielder. He's hidden nicely on a team loaded with hall of famers, and I feel like the whole Yankee pedigree is always going to make him more expensive than he's worth. I feel like Colvin could come up soon and do what Melky has done in the majors.
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I dont think that Cabrera would be any better than Marlon Byrd, and knowing Jim Hendry and Brian Cashman, wed end up waaaaay overpaying for Cabrera, probably a package similar than what wed give up for Granderson.

 

What deals have Hendry and Cashman done in the past? Keep in mind that Hendry is generally very good at trades.

 

I would not be in favor of acquiring Melky, though. Stick with Cameron.

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I dont think that Cabrera would be any better than Marlon Byrd, and knowing Jim Hendry and Brian Cashman, wed end up waaaaay overpaying for Cabrera, probably a package similar than what wed give up for Granderson.

 

What deals have Hendry and Cashman done in the past? Keep in mind that Hendry is generally very good at trades.

 

I would not be in favor of acquiring Melky, though. Stick with Cameron.

 

I know Brian Cashman and the Yankees dont give up guys for nothing.

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The Yanks were trying to move Melky before he had his little "comeback" and even then were asking for ridiculous return for a player who is really not very good. Supposedly he was the kind of guy the Yanks thought they could present as a centerpiece in a package of pitching prospects for Santana.
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The Yanks were trying to move Melky before he had his little "comeback" and even then were asking for ridiculous return for a player who is really not very good. Supposedly he was the kind of guy the Yanks thought they could present as a centerpiece in a package of pitching prospects for Santana.

 

Yeah, I've heard his name as the centerpiece for virtually every potential trade involving an actual superstar this decade. Cano was on that list for a short time, but when he actually built on early success that ended quickly. For all of their veteran star acquisitory ways, I can't think of a Hanley Ramirez type "one that got away" player the Yankees have had to part with. Eric Milton and Nick Johnson are the closest things to a traded away star.

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I dont think that Cabrera would be any better than Marlon Byrd, and knowing Jim Hendry and Brian Cashman, wed end up waaaaay overpaying for Cabrera, probably a package similar than what wed give up for Granderson.

 

What deals have Hendry and Cashman done in the past? Keep in mind that Hendry is generally very good at trades.

 

I would not be in favor of acquiring Melky, though. Stick with Cameron.

 

I know Brian Cashman and the Yankees dont give up guys for nothing.

 

And Hendry very rarely gets taken in trades. He's backed out of deals for plenty of players he's wanted because the opposing GM was asking for an arm and a leg (or more).

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I dont think that Cabrera would be any better than Marlon Byrd, and knowing Jim Hendry and Brian Cashman, wed end up waaaaay overpaying for Cabrera, probably a package similar than what wed give up for Granderson.

 

What deals have Hendry and Cashman done in the past? Keep in mind that Hendry is generally very good at trades.

 

I would not be in favor of acquiring Melky, though. Stick with Cameron.

 

I know Brian Cashman and the Yankees dont give up guys for nothing.

 

And Hendry very rarely gets taken in trades. He's backed out of deals for plenty of players he's wanted because the opposing GM was asking for an arm and a leg (or more).

 

 

Melky is vastly overrated, along with all the other supposed young studs the yankees have in Hughes, Chamberlain, Cabrera, etc. The media blows them up but none of those guys has had a decent season other than Chamberlain.

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I dont think that Cabrera would be any better than Marlon Byrd, and knowing Jim Hendry and Brian Cashman, wed end up waaaaay overpaying for Cabrera, probably a package similar than what wed give up for Granderson.

 

What deals have Hendry and Cashman done in the past? Keep in mind that Hendry is generally very good at trades.

 

I would not be in favor of acquiring Melky, though. Stick with Cameron.

 

I know Brian Cashman and the Yankees dont give up guys for nothing.

 

And Hendry very rarely gets taken in trades. He's backed out of deals for plenty of players he's wanted because the opposing GM was asking for an arm and a leg (or more).

 

 

Melky is vastly overrated, along with all the other supposed young studs the yankees have in Hughes, Chamberlain, Cabrera, etc. The media blows them up but none of those guys has had a decent season other than Chamberlain.

 

I don't disagree at all.

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I dont think that Cabrera would be any better than Marlon Byrd, and knowing Jim Hendry and Brian Cashman, wed end up waaaaay overpaying for Cabrera, probably a package similar than what wed give up for Granderson.

 

What deals have Hendry and Cashman done in the past? Keep in mind that Hendry is generally very good at trades.

 

I would not be in favor of acquiring Melky, though. Stick with Cameron.

 

I know Brian Cashman and the Yankees dont give up guys for nothing.

 

And Hendry very rarely gets taken in trades. He's backed out of deals for plenty of players he's wanted because the opposing GM was asking for an arm and a leg (or more).

 

 

Melky is vastly overrated, along with all the other supposed young studs the yankees have in Hughes, Chamberlain, Cabrera, etc. The media blows them up but none of those guys has had a decent season other than Chamberlain.

 

Not to nitpick, but Hughes was dominant as a reliever this season. Obviously though, he would have more value if he was successful as a starter.

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I don't disagree at all.

 

Same thing can be said about the Red Sox. I mean i dont think Bucholz is anything special and he hasn't showed to be but yet the Media acts as if a Buckholz + two prospects for Halladay is more than enough to get that deal done. Then you have Jed Lowrie who was supposed to be their shortstop of the future. I like Ellsbury but because of the media and ESPN's Olney, Gammons, etc. I think every other team thats not the Red Sox or Yankees is going to have a tough time trading against those two because of their overhypes prospects.

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Not to nitpick, but Hughes was dominant as a reliever this season. Obviously though, he would have more value if he was successful as a starter.

 

True but they still market him as a starter, along with Chamberlain whom both have not had success as starters. If Samardijza was a Yankee after his first season, he would've been on the cover of SI or would have been talked about alot when trades came around. Same thing can be said about Angel Guzman, I guarantee you he would be talked about a centerpiece for a trade if he were with either club.

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Not to nitpick, but Hughes was dominant as a reliever this season. Obviously though, he would have more value if he was successful as a starter.

 

True but they still market him as a starter, along with Chamberlain whom both have not had success as starters. If Samardijza was a Yankee after his first season, he would've been on the cover of SI or would have been talked about alot when trades came around. Same thing can be said about Angel Guzman, I guarantee you he would be talked about a centerpiece for a trade if he were with either club.

 

I can't argue that.

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We shouldn't really cry about prospects getting hyped. How hyped were Corey Patterson, Bobby Hill, and Hee Seop Choi? Hyped enough we landed Aramis Ramirez and DLee for them. Had we traded Patterson before it was clear he was a flop we could have had any player in baseball basically back. It happens all the time to the big market teams. The Yankees just seem to be better at dealing the guys. Felix Pie we could have traded for some great value had we not made it look like he was a platoon guy. This is on Hendry to me more than anything else.
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We shouldn't really cry about prospects getting hyped. How hyped were Corey Patterson, Bobby Hill, and Hee Seop Choi? Hyped enough we landed Aramis Ramirez and DLee for them. Had we traded Patterson before it was clear he was a flop we could have had any player in baseball basically back. It happens all the time to the big market teams. The Yankees just seem to be better at dealing the guys. Felix Pie we could have traded for some great value had we not made it look like he was a platoon guy. This is on Hendry to me more than anything else.

 

I dont know about all that. Aramis was coming off a horrible season the year before and the pirates weren't high on him. Dlee was more of a salary dump by the Marlins and they saw Choi as a good prospect to replace Lee. Patterson i do agree with you that we could've gotten good value for him when he was a prospect. As for Pie, again I doubt it because he wasn't exactly tearing it up and the cubs did explore trades for him and other prospects at the time but nothing popped up worthwhile. I dont think you can name one player we could've gotten for Pie that was worth doing. You make it seem as if the Cubs top Prospects in those years were of great discussion in trades as the Yankee and Red sox prospects are nowadays.

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We shouldn't really cry about prospects getting hyped. How hyped were Corey Patterson, Bobby Hill, and Hee Seop Choi? Hyped enough we landed Aramis Ramirez and DLee for them. Had we traded Patterson before it was clear he was a flop we could have had any player in baseball basically back. It happens all the time to the big market teams. The Yankees just seem to be better at dealing the guys. Felix Pie we could have traded for some great value had we not made it look like he was a platoon guy. This is on Hendry to me more than anything else.

 

I dont know about all that. Aramis was coming off a horrible season the year before and the pirates weren't high on him. Dlee was more of a salary dump by the Marlins and they saw Choi as a good prospect to replace Lee. Patterson i do agree with you that we could've gotten good value for him when he was a prospect. As for Pie, again I doubt it because he wasn't exactly tearing it up and the cubs did explore trades for him and other prospects at the time but nothing popped up worthwhile. I dont think you can name one player we could've gotten for Pie that was worth doing. You make it seem as if the Cubs top Prospects in those years were of great discussion in trades as the Yankee and Red sox prospects are nowadays.

No I am not syaing they were, but part of that is because we deemd a few of them untoachable when they were younger. Pie was ripping it up at both AA and AAA. I really think we mishandled him the most. Not only did we not value him like we should have, we didn't even showcase him for a trade. Especially frustrating when we had such a goos team in '08 there was no reason not to give him at least 400 at bats.

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might as well go get a Cub killer to play for us; worked with Jimmy

 

 

Worked with Blauser too.........oh, nevermind.

 

Note: I don't mind the Cameron signing if/when it happens if it's an affordable deal.

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Regarding the Cubs, Rosenthal explains that they can pursue him if they free up "a good amount" in their Milton Bradley trade. Marlon Byrd and Scott Podsednik could be other options if they save less.

 

Id like Cameron. I guess I could live with Byrd, although Id really rather get something better. However, if we trade Bradley for peanuts, and turn around and sign Scott freaking Podsednik, whose basically an older, injury prone Sam Fuld, I think its high time we all pool our money, buy the Cubs, and fire Jim Hendry immediately.

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Regarding the Cubs, Rosenthal explains that they can pursue him if they free up "a good amount" in their Milton Bradley trade. Marlon Byrd and Scott Podsednik could be other options if they save less.

 

Id like Cameron. I guess I could live with Byrd, although Id really rather get something better. However, if we trade Bradley for peanuts, and turn around and sign Scott freaking Podsednik, whose basically an older, injury prone Sam Fuld, I think its high time we all pool our money, buy the Cubs, and fire Jim Hendry immediately.

 

Scotty Poddy? Brilliant!

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Regarding the Cubs, Rosenthal explains that they can pursue him if they free up "a good amount" in their Milton Bradley trade. Marlon Byrd and Scott Podsednik could be other options if they save less.

 

Id like Cameron. I guess I could live with Byrd, although Id really rather get something better. However, if we trade Bradley for peanuts, and turn around and sign Scott freaking Podsednik, whose basically an older, injury prone Sam Fuld, I think its high time we all pool our money, buy the Cubs, and fire Jim Hendry immediately.

 

Scotty Poddy? Brilliant!

 

 

Umm, the other thread just had a report from Rosenthal that the Cubs are looking into Pods.

 

 

Can we just fire Hendry now?

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Regarding the Cubs, Rosenthal explains that they can pursue him if they free up "a good amount" in their Milton Bradley trade. Marlon Byrd and Scott Podsednik could be other options if they save less.

 

Id like Cameron. I guess I could live with Byrd, although Id really rather get something better. However, if we trade Bradley for peanuts, and turn around and sign Scott freaking Podsednik, whose basically an older, injury prone Sam Fuld, I think its high time we all pool our money, buy the Cubs, and fire Jim Hendry immediately.

 

Scotty Poddy? Brilliant!

 

 

Umm, the other thread just had a report from Rosenthal that the Cubs are looking into Pods.

 

 

Can we just fire Hendry now?

 

Don't look at me. I wanted him gone several years ago.

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Boston is in serious talks with Cameron per MLBTR. Not that he is a make or break offseason guy, but if he signs elsewhere I fear Hendry is going to overpay for Byrd or bring in a [expletive] player like Podsednik.
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Regarding the Cubs, Rosenthal explains that they can pursue him if they free up "a good amount" in their Milton Bradley trade. Marlon Byrd and Scott Podsednik could be other options if they save less.

 

Id like Cameron. I guess I could live with Byrd, although Id really rather get something better. However, if we trade Bradley for peanuts, and turn around and sign Scott freaking Podsednik, whose basically an older, injury prone Sam Fuld, I think its high time we all pool our money, buy the Cubs, and fire Jim Hendry immediately.

 

Scotty Poddy? Brilliant!

 

 

Umm, the other thread just had a report from Rosenthal that the Cubs are looking into Pods.

 

 

Can we just fire Hendry now?

 

Ricketts should have done that five minutes after officially taking control of the team.

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