Re: Bears Offseason Thread

[hawkeyecub]

Were the Bears ever linked to Thomas Jones this winter or did everyone agree that they just wouldn't bring him back again? On the field I think he and Forte would compliment each other a little better.

[Magnetic Curses]

 

There's no framing. He's old, a backup RB, and that's a big chunk of change. He has less mileage than the LDT of the world, but he's not been untouched, he's played a lot.

 

he's not old. 30 isn't old if you don't have much mileage on you. if he was 35, he'd be pushing it, but there isn't much a 25 year old can do that a 30 year old can't if everything else is equal, which it pretty much is.

 

We're talking about NFL football players here, not accountants. 31, which he turns in September, is old in the NFL, very old for RB. You don't only measure RB age with carries, there's also all the offseason work, training camp, practice, etc. He's old. He doesn't have "essentially" 3.5 years of work under his belt. He's almost 31, he's played a good amount of time. He's not fresh.

 

work is good, being hit is bad. like i said, there's virtually no difference between a 25 year old and a 30 year old except the amount of punishment you've taken.

 

if we're talking about accountants then 50 isn't old, but we aren't.

 

and i'll remember the whole "you don't only measure running backs with carries" line next time you bring up the amount of carries a running back has on him, bank on it.

 

What would be the point of bringing it up. I wrote you don't "only" use that. It would be stupid of you to bring back that quote just because I mention somebody's carries.

 

And 25-30 is a huge step in football.

 

i'll bring it up because i'm an ass.

 

and 25-30 is a huge jump assuming with those five years you also get a lot of wear and tear, which there hasn't been.

[David]

Were the Bears ever linked to Thomas Jones this winter or did everyone agree that they just wouldn't bring him back again? On the field I think he and Forte would compliment each other a little better.

 

Never linked.

[Magnetic Curses]

Were the Bears ever linked to Thomas Jones this winter or did everyone agree that they just wouldn't bring him back again? On the field I think he and Forte would compliment each other a little better.

 

i think they're about even and jones has more mileage, a lot more mileage and is a little older. plus, by getting taylor we also take him away from the vikings, which makes them worse.

[hawkeyecub]

Were the Bears ever linked to Thomas Jones this winter or did everyone agree that they just wouldn't bring him back again? On the field I think he and Forte would compliment each other a little better.

 

i think they're about even and jones has more mileage, a lot more mileage and is a little older. plus, by getting taylor we also take him away from the vikings, which makes them worse.

 

True. I was just thinking of it from how their skills fit in and mileage not being as important when it's essentially a big one-year deal.

[Magnetic Curses]

Were the Bears ever linked to Thomas Jones this winter or did everyone agree that they just wouldn't bring him back again? On the field I think he and Forte would compliment each other a little better.

 

i think they're about even and jones has more mileage, a lot more mileage and is a little older. plus, by getting taylor we also take him away from the vikings, which makes them worse.

 

True. I was just thinking of it from how their skills fit in and mileage not being as important when it's essentially a big one-year deal.

 

i don't think martrz is too worried about it. he wants receiver options and taylor is a receiving option. kevin jones is also a great third option in martz's offense.

[jersey cubs fan]

These people lamenting the possible departure of Greg Olsen are completely insane in their love for him. He's a nice player, but he's no superstar. He's three years in and has yet to make a huge difference.

[David]

These people lamenting the possible departure of Greg Olsen are completely insane in their love for him. He's a nice player, but he's no superstar. He's three years in and has yet to make a huge difference.

 

 

That last caller was great... desperate to find something for Olsen to do instead of trading him for value before he has a crappy year.

[Magnetic Curses]

These people lamenting the possible departure of Greg Olsen are completely insane in their love for him. He's a nice player, but he's no superstar. He's three years in and has yet to make a huge difference.

 

agreed, and i think his perceived value is high but he won't be all that valuable to the bears going forward. if we could get a second rounder for him, i'd be happy. but an actual receiver in the realm of a boldin would be nice as well, injuries and all.

[SpongeWorthy]

Cutler targeted Olsen a LOT last year. I'm sure he felt a rapport with him but it's not like he put up huge numbers ala Gates or Clark.

 

Either way, the receivers need to step up big time because they're going to see a much bigger percentage of the balls.

[David]

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[UMFan83]

Cutler targeted Olsen a LOT last year. I'm sure he felt a rapport with him but it's not like he put up huge numbers ala Gates or Clark.

 

Either way, the receivers need to step up big time because they're going to see a much bigger percentage of the balls.

 

I feel like half of Cutler's INTs last year were a result of trying to find Olsen in a sea of defenders. Maybe this will help him.

 

The other half of Cutler's INTs came from miscommunication between Knox and Cutler.

[Keener98]

Taylor's age shouldn't be much of an issue. Next year he'll be on roughly the same level he was last year. With the salary cap gone and the way the deal is structured, next year is really what matters. With the old system they probably wouldn't have been able to work out a deal like this and his age would have been more of a problem.

 

The only thing that really matters with Chester is how good you think he is and how you think he fits in with Forte.

 

Age is a much more relevant issue with Peppers in my opinion.

 

 

I've seen more elite DE's last into their mid 30's than elite RB's....

 

Of course he'll last longer than the RB. But he'll also be paid more for a longer period of time where his contract could be an issue in the last few years. Chester's deal is basically just a ton of money up front in an uncapped year.

Individually it's also more because the biggest questions on him are effort, work ethic and consistency which would figure to be more pressing as you get to your mid-30's.

 

Only the 1st 3 years of Peppers deal is guaranteed. I think he will be able to be productive during the 3 guaranteed years, and if his performance falls after that, you cut him no big deal.

[hawkeyecub]

Taylor's age shouldn't be much of an issue. Next year he'll be on roughly the same level he was last year. With the salary cap gone and the way the deal is structured, next year is really what matters. With the old system they probably wouldn't have been able to work out a deal like this and his age would have been more of a problem.

 

The only thing that really matters with Chester is how good you think he is and how you think he fits in with Forte.

 

Age is a much more relevant issue with Peppers in my opinion.

 

 

I've seen more elite DE's last into their mid 30's than elite RB's....

 

Of course he'll last longer than the RB. But he'll also be paid more for a longer period of time where his contract could be an issue in the last few years. Chester's deal is basically just a ton of money up front in an uncapped year.

Individually it's also more because the biggest questions on him are effort, work ethic and consistency which would figure to be more pressing as you get to your mid-30's.

 

Only the 1st 3 years of Peppers deal is guaranteed. I think he will be able to be productive during the 3 guaranteed years, and if his performance falls after that, you cut him no big deal.

 

Gotcha, they way I heard it the first time it didn't sound like that.

[jersey cubs fan]

Cutler targeted Olsen a LOT last year. I'm sure he felt a rapport with him but it's not like he put up huge numbers ala Gates or Clark.

 

Either way, the receivers need to step up big time because they're going to see a much bigger percentage of the balls.

 

I feel like half of Cutler's INTs last year were a result of trying to find Olsen in a sea of defenders. Maybe this will help him.

 

The other half of Cutler's INTs came from miscommunication between Knox and Cutler.

 

And the third half was the diebetes.

[jersey cubs fan]

Only the 1st 3 years of Peppers deal is guaranteed. I think he will be able to be productive during the 3 guaranteed years, and if his performance falls after that, you cut him no big deal.

 

It's only 3 years guaranteed, but if they do cut him in year 4, presumably that will be a big chunk of a cap hit.

[David]

Arkush just said Taylor is a much better fit for Martz's offense than Forte? I was under the impression that they are very similar players.

[hawkeyecub]

Arkush just said Taylor is a much better fit for Martz's offense than Forte? I was under the impression that they are very similar players.

 

I've seen every play of his for the last 4 years. He excels in the screen game, has very good hands and is very good in pass protection which all makes him a great 3rd down back. As a runner he's a straight-line type guy who has good vision and will consistently get what's there but not much else on his own. All of that seems fairly similar to what I've seen of Forte.

 

Last year was the first season where A.D. was a better receiver than Chester. His best season by far was Adrian's first year in '07.

[UMFan83]

Taylor's age shouldn't be much of an issue. Next year he'll be on roughly the same level he was last year. With the salary cap gone and the way the deal is structured, next year is really what matters. With the old system they probably wouldn't have been able to work out a deal like this and his age would have been more of a problem.

 

The only thing that really matters with Chester is how good you think he is and how you think he fits in with Forte.

 

Age is a much more relevant issue with Peppers in my opinion.

 

 

I've seen more elite DE's last into their mid 30's than elite RB's....

 

Of course he'll last longer than the RB. But he'll also be paid more for a longer period of time where his contract could be an issue in the last few years. Chester's deal is basically just a ton of money up front in an uncapped year.

Individually it's also more because the biggest questions on him are effort, work ethic and consistency which would figure to be more pressing as you get to your mid-30's.

 

Only the 1st 3 years of Peppers deal is guaranteed. I think he will be able to be productive during the 3 guaranteed years, and if his performance falls after that, you cut him no big deal.

 

That's awesome. If Peppers sucks from day 1, it's possible only one season hurts us. This season is uncapped and there are talks that next season might be as well.

[rawaction]

Cutler targeted Olsen a LOT last year. I'm sure he felt a rapport with him but it's not like he put up huge numbers ala Gates or Clark.

 

Either way, the receivers need to step up big time because they're going to see a much bigger percentage of the balls.

 

I feel like half of Cutler's INTs last year were a result of trying to find Olsen in a sea of defenders. Maybe this will help him.

 

The other half of Cutler's INTs came from miscommunication between Knox and Cutler.

 

And the third half was the diebetes.

 

I don't know why that made me laugh as hard as it did.

[WrigleyField 22]

These people lamenting the possible departure of Greg Olsen are completely insane in their love for him. He's a nice player, but he's no superstar. He's three years in and has yet to make a huge difference.

Well in the situation, it is the best solution, but I never wanted Martz so I'm kind of pissed about it. Most other OC's would be able to/ want to use Olsen. As long as we get fair value for him though, it is what it is and I'll be okay with it.

Oh and we need a WR at least as good as Olsen to replace him, so we better do that.

[UMFan83]

When is this press conference gonna start?

[Soul]

Here's hoping we can finally, once and for all, not have to hear people say the Bears are cheap anymore.

[wekse]

When is this press conference gonna start?

 

23 minutes late, apparently.

[UMFan83]

Here's hoping we can finally, once and for all, not have to hear people say the Bears are cheap anymore.

 

Why couldn't those cheap ass Bears get Peppers AND Kampman?