Re: Bears Offseason Thread

[Banedon]

Who is Jay Butler?

[soapy]

How the hell did Cutler run Ron Turner out of Chicago!?! That's stupid. I mean, the writer kind of back-tracks on the statement, but give me a break. Ron Turner sucks. That's why he's out of Chicago.

[Soul]

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/01/bears-talking-to-ravens-hue-jackson-for-offensive-coordinator-post.html

 

Bears are set to interview Baltimore QB coach.

 

He backed out:

 

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/01/hue-jackson-wont-interview-with-bears-after-all.html

[Banedon]

The Jets fired Doug Plank.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4857580

[jersey cubs fan]

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/01/bears-talking-to-ravens-hue-jackson-for-offensive-coordinator-post.html

 

Bears are set to interview Baltimore QB coach.

 

He backed out:

 

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/01/hue-jackson-wont-interview-with-bears-after-all.html

 

This is screwy. At this point, the only justification for taking so much time would be the intention of signing a coach who is in the super bowl. However, it is my understanding that those guys are available for interviews this week, and so if the Bears are going to sign one, we'd hear about it very soon. How do these names keep getting floated with absolutely no progress being made on any of them?

[jersey cubs fan]

So prior to reading that he was bailing on the interview, I was conflicted about whether this guy was a good candidate. He's got OC experience, albeit not all that great. He's helped develop Flacco, but Baltimore runs a fairly conservative running style attack that won't help the Bears.

 

It sounds like he accepted the Raiders position before talking to the Bears, which probably means Oakland offered him the job with the expectation that he not go on anymore interviews. If the Bears wanted this guy, their deliberate pace isn't helping things, but I'm not sure they really missed a great opportunity.

[Soul]

I don't think he was all that great a candidate either.

[Banedon]

So prior to reading that he was bailing on the interview, I was conflicted about whether this guy was a good candidate. He's got OC experience, albeit not all that great. He's helped develop Flacco, but Baltimore runs a fairly conservative running style attack that won't help the Bears.

 

It sounds like he accepted the Raiders position before talking to the Bears, which probably means Oakland offered him the job with the expectation that he not go on anymore interviews. If the Bears wanted this guy, their deliberate pace isn't helping things, but I'm not sure they really missed a great opportunity.

 

Yeah...the deliberate pace is really hurting them. I think they'll end up falling back to Martz in the long run.

[rawaction]

Well, the Bears havent' officially offered the job to anyone. I don't know if that's good or bad.

[jersey cubs fan]

So prior to reading that he was bailing on the interview, I was conflicted about whether this guy was a good candidate. He's got OC experience, albeit not all that great. He's helped develop Flacco, but Baltimore runs a fairly conservative running style attack that won't help the Bears.

 

It sounds like he accepted the Raiders position before talking to the Bears, which probably means Oakland offered him the job with the expectation that he not go on anymore interviews. If the Bears wanted this guy, their deliberate pace isn't helping things, but I'm not sure they really missed a great opportunity.

 

Yeah...the deliberate pace is really hurting them. I think they'll end up falling back to Martz in the long run.

 

He's been there all along, but I would have to think that at some point, he will become offended and no longer make himself available. There's nothing wrong with doing your due diligence, but you can't make the obvious candidate sit around and look silly for a month.

[jersey cubs fan]

Well, the Bears havent' officially offered the job to anyone. I don't know if that's good or bad.

 

It deflates the theory that everybody is spurning the Bears, but it indicates they weren't prepared for this search going in and were unable to identify good candidates.

[rawaction]

Well, I know the Bears wanted to talk to one of the Colts assistants. Can't remember the name, but it's probably him or Martz at this point.

[jersey cubs fan]

Well, I know the Bears wanted to talk to one of the Colts assistants. Can't remember the name, but it's probably him or Martz at this point.

 

I believe this guy:

Clyde Christensen

 

Asst. head coach/receivers; born January 28, 1956, Covina, Calif. Quarterback Fresno (Calif.) J.C. 1975, North Carolina 1976-78. No pro playing experience. College coach: Mississippi 1979, East Tennessee State 1980-82, Temple 1983-85, East Carolina 1986-88, Holy Cross 1989-1990, South Carolina 1991, Maryland 1992-93, Clemson 1994-95. Pro coach: Tampa Bay Buccaneers 1996-2001, joined Colts in 2002.

 

If they want him, he should be able to talk this week. However, the asst head coach tag may make it tough to get permission.

[Mark Priors Calves]

So prior to reading that he was bailing on the interview, I was conflicted about whether this guy was a good candidate. He's got OC experience, albeit not all that great. He's helped develop Flacco, but Baltimore runs a fairly conservative running style attack that won't help the Bears.

 

It sounds like he accepted the Raiders position before talking to the Bears, which probably means Oakland offered him the job with the expectation that he not go on anymore interviews. If the Bears wanted this guy, their deliberate pace isn't helping things, but I'm not sure they really missed a great opportunity.

 

Yeah...the deliberate pace is really hurting them. I think they'll end up falling back to Martz in the long run.

 

He's been there all along, but I would have to think that at some point, he will become offended and no longer make himself available. There's nothing wrong with doing your due diligence, but you can't make the obvious candidate sit around and look silly for a month.

 

It sounds like there's something they want to do. I just want to move on," Martz said. "I just worry about Lovie. I just want to see him do well. That was the reason for my interest.

We'll see how things work out. I wouldn't speculate," he said. "I'm not trying to be evasive. I just really don't know what's going on with them.

 

"I'm sure there are lots of contributing factors here. Lovie will take his time, and I'm sure he'll find what he's looking for

[Mark Priors Calves]

Ravens QB Coach Hue Jackson chose to be the Raiders OC over working as the OC with the Bears.

 

That's what this coordinator search has come down to.

[jersey cubs fan]

Ravens QB Coach Hue Jackson chose to be the Raiders OC over working as the OC with the Bears.

 

That's what this coordinator search has come down to.

 

Not really.

 

For that to be true he would have had to have 2 offers sitting on the table. Most of the time you will see teams give guys offers they can't refuse so as to persuade them not to go to the next interview. You will hear them say things like "don't let him get on the plane home". The fact that he agreed to coach Oakland before he even interviewed with the Bears says, A) Oakland was more aggressive in their pursuit, B) He jumped at the first concrete offer.

 

It does not tell you he turned down an offer from the Bears or chose Oakland over the Bears. Chicago was no sure thing. An interview may not have led to an offer. These guys have to take what they can get sometimes, and jumping at the first good offer is commonplace.

 

I know the media and many others will frame it as "spurning the Bears" but that is not at all accurate.

[Tyrant]

Well, I know the Bears wanted to talk to one of the Colts assistants. Can't remember the name, but it's probably him or Martz at this point.

 

I'm not sure why. I can't think of any offensive coaches who are more useless than the Colts' staff. Peyton Manning is their offensive coordinator.

[davell]

Maybe the fact that the Bears haven't made an offer though, is because everyone has told them they weren't really interested in the job, because of the lack of security that comes with it?

 

And if the guy actually chose the Raiders over our OC spot, with what goes on over there continuously, there's no way in hell that can be looked at as anything other than a negative by anyone who we may be looking at for the job.

[jersey cubs fan]

Maybe the fact that the Bears haven't made an offer though, is because everyone has told them they weren't really interested in the job, because of the lack of security that comes with it?

 

And if the guy actually chose the Raiders over our OC spot, with what goes on over there continuously, there's no way in hell that can be looked at as anything other than a negative by anyone who we may be looking at for the job.

 

He chose to take an offer that he had instead of waiting on an offer he may never get. It just doesn't make any sense that people would be afraid to take the Bears position while taking other jobs that are just as, and in reality much more, unstable. Oakland's staff turns over every year. There are only 32 teams in this league. Guys aren't going to tell the Bears not to offer them jobs because the future is a little uncertain. Every single coaching job in the NFL is uncertain. Nobody is guaranteed anything other than their contract. People are fired from every team, every year, and sometimes before the year even begins. The Jets had, by all accounts, a hugely successful year compared to expectations, and they just had signifciant turnover. The Giants won the Super Bowl 2 years ago and canned a bunch of guys.

 

Chicago and Lovie are taking their time. That is the issue. Guys are taking the first thing they are offered instead of waiting on an offer that they may never get.

[rawaction]

Well, I know the Bears wanted to talk to one of the Colts assistants. Can't remember the name, but it's probably him or Martz at this point.

 

I'm not sure why. I can't think of any offensive coaches who are more useless than the Colts' staff. Peyton Manning is their offensive coordinator.

 

That's not true at all. Even if it was true, Colts coaches would be desirable because they have learned from Peyton. The same way Rex learned from Buddy Ryan. Jeremy Bates learned from Shanahan, and so on.

[jersey cubs fan]

Well, I know the Bears wanted to talk to one of the Colts assistants. Can't remember the name, but it's probably him or Martz at this point.

 

I'm not sure why. I can't think of any offensive coaches who are more useless than the Colts' staff. Peyton Manning is their offensive coordinator.

 

He was on the Tampa staff for years with Lovie, and has been in Indy for a while. That would explain the Bears interest. But you are right, it's nearly impossible to judge an Indy offensive coach because of their unique situation with Manning. At least one would hope he's learned from Peyton.

[rawaction]

Well, I know the Bears wanted to talk to one of the Colts assistants. Can't remember the name, but it's probably him or Martz at this point.

 

I'm not sure why. I can't think of any offensive coaches who are more useless than the Colts' staff. Peyton Manning is their offensive coordinator.

 

He was on the Tampa staff for years with Lovie, and has been in Indy for a while. That would explain the Bears interest. But you are right, it's nearly impossible to judge an Indy offensive coach because of their unique situation with Manning. At least one would hope he's learned from Peyton.

 

I think this whole thing is overblown. Peyton doesn't design the plays, though he does tweak them. Even if the offensive coaches aren't calling the game, I'm pretty sure they give Peyton pointers on what to look for from the defense. I'm sure they go over film with him and tell him what they notice. There's plenty an offensive coach can do besides calling plays, and I'm sure many of those things qualify them as offensive coordinators for another team.

[jersey cubs fan]

I think this whole thing is overblown. Peyton doesn't design the plays, though he does tweak them. Even if the offensive coaches aren't calling the game, I'm pretty sure they give Peyton pointers on what to look for from the defense. I'm sure they go over film with him and tell him what they notice. There's plenty an offensive coach can do besides calling plays, and I'm sure many of those things qualify them as offensive coordinators for another team.

 

Sure, but it's still tough to judge the impact of an Indy coach. This guy is the WR coach. Indy churns out a lot of productive WR, however, how much of that has anything to do with the coach? Would any of these guys be nearly as good on another team? I'm not saying he's clearly a weak coach, but it's just hard to judge. Not only does Peyton call the plays, but any play has a much better chance of working with him as the QB, so the design isn't nearly as important.

[rawaction]

I think this whole thing is overblown. Peyton doesn't design the plays, though he does tweak them. Even if the offensive coaches aren't calling the game, I'm pretty sure they give Peyton pointers on what to look for from the defense. I'm sure they go over film with him and tell him what they notice. There's plenty an offensive coach can do besides calling plays, and I'm sure many of those things qualify them as offensive coordinators for another team.

 

Sure, but it's still tough to judge the impact of an Indy coach. This guy is the WR coach. Indy churns out a lot of productive WR, however, how much of that has anything to do with the coach? Would any of these guys be nearly as good on another team? I'm not saying he's clearly a weak coach, but it's just hard to judge. Not only does Peyton call the plays, but any play has a much better chance of working with him as the QB, so the design isn't nearly as important.

 

Ok, I see what you mean. I agree. Maybe he was the choice all along. He has worked w/ Aromashodu who figures to be the Bears top WR next year. And he has to get some credit for Collie and Garcon this year.

[Magnetic Curses]

I think this whole thing is overblown. Peyton doesn't design the plays, though he does tweak them. Even if the offensive coaches aren't calling the game, I'm pretty sure they give Peyton pointers on what to look for from the defense. I'm sure they go over film with him and tell him what they notice. There's plenty an offensive coach can do besides calling plays, and I'm sure many of those things qualify them as offensive coordinators for another team.

 

Sure, but it's still tough to judge the impact of an Indy coach. This guy is the WR coach. Indy churns out a lot of productive WR, however, how much of that has anything to do with the coach? Would any of these guys be nearly as good on another team? I'm not saying he's clearly a weak coach, but it's just hard to judge. Not only does Peyton call the plays, but any play has a much better chance of working with him as the QB, so the design isn't nearly as important.

 

i like this, though. cutler is a superior talent to manning, physically, in every way. if he can be taught how to recognize coverages and change pass protections a fraction as well as manning does, the bears could be a solid contender for the rest of his career. i like the idea of cutler being turned loose and not restricted, and the way manning's protection develops as he's in the pocket, he could cause some damage running the ball if he were as agile as cutler.