Re: Bears Offseason Thread

[rawaction]

I didn't say RB can't be on the list. I said it shouldn't be high on that list. If its the 4th, 5th or 6th of the draft picks fine, but I see no reason to pay someone more than Forte to come in here.

 

And if you have 6 picks and 4 FAs. I'd like at least 2 of those to be offensive linemen. I'd like OL to be the highest paid FA and the 1st draft pick. If not, 2 FA OL and a 4th/5th pick on OL. From there, I'd sign or draft a FS. Sign a WR (no point in drafting a WR, IMO because he would be just a body in the 3rd round or later). Draft or sign at least 1 DL. Draft a LB. Then I'd worry about RB.

 

Forte is only going to make about $500k, so signing almost anybody will require paying more than him. And I see no point in signing a WR unless you are getting an elite one. The Bears have a bunch of 2nd/3rd type WR, they don't need another. If you can get a stud, go ahead, but otherwise why waste?

 

The Bears have a franchise QB. They need to give him all the help he can get. As good as Aromashodu was the last couple weeks, he is still a journeyman WR who has done very little in the NFL. He's also the only WR that has seen the field over 6'. I think if you can get another #2 type WR who has some size, you go for it. Cutler has made it clear he likes big WRs. My new favorite WR target is Malcom Floyd from San Diego. 6'5", 225lbs. 17.3 ypc for 2 straight years, increased role this year. Took over the starting role and made Chris Chambers expendable. If you can get him, a guy like Kevin Walter 6'3", or Antonio Bryant affordably, then it would be foolish to not go after one because they aren't "studs". All would be the Bears best WR.

[jersey cubs fan]

The Bears have a franchise QB. They need to give him all the help he can get. As good as Aromashodu was the last couple weeks, he is still a journeyman WR who has done very little in the NFL. He's also the only WR that has seen the field over 6'. I think if you can get another #2 type WR who has some size, you go for it. Cutler has made it clear he likes big WRs. My new favorite WR target is Malcom Floyd from San Diego. 6'5", 225lbs. 17.3 ypc for 2 straight years, increased role this year. Took over the starting role and made Chris Chambers expendable. If you can get him, a guy like Kevin Walter 6'3", or Antonio Bryant affordably, then it would be foolish to not go after one because they aren't "studs". All would be the Bears best WR.

 

Very true, and a running back that can actually run the ball is probably going to help him more than just another body at WR.

 

You are comparing signing a #1 WR with signing a complimentary RB, the affordability of each is completely different.

[rawaction]

Addto that he plays in NY so that increases his value.

 

Really? This isn't the Yankees. It's the Jets, who are like a worse version of the Mets, and nobody ever overvalued a Met.

 

I don't think there is any "overvaluing" a NY player in the NFL. Maybe the Patriots, with all their organization success, and possibly Indy, since they've always played with a superstar QB in a dome. But not the Jets.

 

Jose Reyes is overvalued as a Met. Several members of the Jets defense are overvalued. Thomas Jones. Alan Faneca.

[rawaction]

The Bears have a franchise QB. They need to give him all the help he can get. As good as Aromashodu was the last couple weeks, he is still a journeyman WR who has done very little in the NFL. He's also the only WR that has seen the field over 6'. I think if you can get another #2 type WR who has some size, you go for it. Cutler has made it clear he likes big WRs. My new favorite WR target is Malcom Floyd from San Diego. 6'5", 225lbs. 17.3 ypc for 2 straight years, increased role this year. Took over the starting role and made Chris Chambers expendable. If you can get him, a guy like Kevin Walter 6'3", or Antonio Bryant affordably, then it would be foolish to not go after one because they aren't "studs". All would be the Bears best WR.

 

Very true, and a running back that can actually run the ball is probably going to help him more than just another body at WR.

 

You are comparing signing a #1 WR with signing a complimentary RB, the affordability of each is completely different.

 

None of those guys are #1 WRs. Secondly, people aren't suggesting a complimentary back. Pierre Thomas is not a compliment, if you think he's better...he's an upgrade. And people have suggested LT and others. Those are 2.5-4Mil/year RBs. Those WRs would cost slightly more and fill a much bigger need.

[jersey cubs fan]

Addto that he plays in NY so that increases his value.

 

Really? This isn't the Yankees. It's the Jets, who are like a worse version of the Mets, and nobody ever overvalued a Met.

 

I don't think there is any "overvaluing" a NY player in the NFL. Maybe the Patriots, with all their organization success, and possibly Indy, since they've always played with a superstar QB in a dome. But not the Jets.

 

Jose Reyes is overvalued as a Met. Several members of the Jets defense are overvalued. Thomas Jones. Alan Faneca.

 

Jose Reyes was pretty darn good baseball player for a couple years. How is Thomas Jones overrated? He's been surprisning durable later than many expected and a quality RB, but nobody thinks he's a star, and I can't even remember the last time I heard Alan Fanaca's name and if he's been overvalued at all in his career it would have to be atributed to his time with the Steelers. The Jets defense is good and Revis is a superstar, but other than Bart Scott, nobody mentions any other names. I really don't see how there is any overvaluing of Jets players. It's the Jets, they are a joke of a franchise.

 

I live here and the only people they talk about are Rex Ryan, Dirty Sanchez and Revis.

[jersey cubs fan]

None of those guys are #1 WRs. Secondly, people aren't suggesting a complimentary back. Pierre Thomas is not a compliment, if you think he's better...he's an upgrade. And people have suggested LT and others. Those are 2.5-4Mil/year RBs. Those WRs would cost slightly more and fill a much bigger need.

 

He's better, but he's not an everydown guy, and he's not going to be paid like one. It's not hard to be better than Forte. One person threw-out LT's name and he is not being discussed, plus, you're talking to me and I've never once mentioned him. I don't understand why you are so adamantly opposed to getting some actualy talent at RB, they don't have any on the team. They could use a great WR, but I doubt they get one, and if they don't, I don't see another body at WR offering more value than a RB that can actually run the ball. The offensive line should be the priority, I've said that for 4 years. But there is no reason why they can't spend a little money at RB. They aren't spending any right now, they aren't going to spend any money on draft picks, and they have plenty of cap space.

[WrigleyField 22]

None of those guys are #1 WRs. Secondly, people aren't suggesting a complimentary back. Pierre Thomas is not a compliment, if you think he's better...he's an upgrade. And people have suggested LT and others. Those are 2.5-4Mil/year RBs. Those WRs would cost slightly more and fill a much bigger need.

 

He's better, but he's not an everydown guy, and he's not going to be paid like one. It's not hard to be better than Forte. One person threw-out LT's name and he is not being discussed, plus, you're talking to me and I've never once mentioned him. I don't understand why you are so adamantly opposed to getting some actualy talent at RB, they don't have any on the team. They could use a great WR, but I doubt they get one, and if they don't, I don't see another body at WR offering more value than a RB that can actually run the ball. The offensive line should be the priority, I've said that for 4 years. But there is no reason why they can't spend a little money at RB. They aren't spending any right now, they aren't going to spend any money on draft picks, and they have plenty of cap space.

Agreed with everything you said here. I really don't get what rawactions problem with adding talent at RB is. Forte just isn't good enough to justify not looking for available upgrades/compliments.

[Tyrant]

Every one of you should learn the difference between complimentary and complementary.

[jersey cubs fan]

Every one of you should learn the difference between complimentary and complementary.

 

I just want a guy who will make Forte feel better about himself and forget that he sucks.

[Tyrant]

Every one of you should learn the difference between complimentary and complementary.

 

I just want a guy who will make Forte feel better about himself and forget that he sucks.

 

I like it.

[WrigleyField 22]

Every one of you should learn the difference between complimentary and complementary.

Oops... :oops:

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Just a question: Would any of you Bears fans be willing to gamble on TO? It's pretty clear he's not coming back to Buffalo and he might be the receiver the Bears need even if his skills are declining.

[jersey cubs fan]

Just a question: Would any of you Bears fans be willing to gamble on TO? It's pretty clear he's not coming back to Buffalo and he might be the receiver the Bears need even if his skills are declining.

 

I was when Orton was here, and there was little downside to "ruining" him and they were desperate for WR help. Howeve, there is too much to lose with Cutler and a guy like TO around, and TO is just too far removed from his impact days to look past that concern.

[Soul]

Just a question: Would any of you Bears fans be willing to gamble on TO? It's pretty clear he's not coming back to Buffalo and he might be the receiver the Bears need even if his skills are declining.

 

I was when Orton was here, and there was little downside to "ruining" him and they were desperate for WR help. Howeve, there is too much to lose with Cutler and a guy like TO around, and TO is just too far removed from his impact days to look past that concern.

 

I could see Cutler & TO not liking each other very much. That's just a guess, but I think I'd pass on TO.

[WrigleyField 22]

The more I think about it, I think the Bears management is just prepared to not make any major changes with personnel knowing that we don't have picks and many good free agents will be RFA.

 

I think they will get a line that is good enough to protect Cutler, and ride out 2010 knowing there may be a lock out in 2011. The coordinators will get 2 year contracts and after a lockout in 2011, they will start completely fresh in 2012.

 

They will do this to avoid spending any unnecessary money, especially because of all the looming uncertainty.

 

I'm thinking that is the Bears plan.

[YearofDaCubs]

So apparently there's a chance Bates will go with Carroll to the Seahwaks as the OC. I have a feeling the Bears will end up with a scrub option as OC. Weis is already taken if Bates go with Carroll who is left?

[Butterscup1679666578]

Mike Martz, sadly.

[apete6]

Would the Bears have any interest in Jim Mora Jr. as a D coordinator now that he's been canned by the Seahawks?

[YearofDaCubs]

Mike Martz, sadly.

Forgot about him. Maybe there's a reason why Martz finally got contacted by the Bears. Looks like Martz as Bears OC is coming to a reality.

[RedFlash]

Would the Bears have any interest in Jim Mora Jr. as a D coordinator now that he's been canned by the Seahawks?

 

I think the Bears have their eyes set on Perry Fewell.

[dew1679666265]

Would the Bears have any interest in Jim Mora Jr. as a D coordinator now that he's been canned by the Seahawks?

 

I think the Bears have their eyes set on Perry Fewell.

 

I think that could be a good move.

[rawaction]

None of those guys are #1 WRs. Secondly, people aren't suggesting a complimentary back. Pierre Thomas is not a compliment, if you think he's better...he's an upgrade. And people have suggested LT and others. Those are 2.5-4Mil/year RBs. Those WRs would cost slightly more and fill a much bigger need.

 

He's better, but he's not an everydown guy, and he's not going to be paid like one. It's not hard to be better than Forte. One person threw-out LT's name and he is not being discussed, plus, you're talking to me and I've never once mentioned him. I don't understand why you are so adamantly opposed to getting some actualy talent at RB, they don't have any on the team. They could use a great WR, but I doubt they get one, and if they don't, I don't see another body at WR offering more value than a RB that can actually run the ball. The offensive line should be the priority, I've said that for 4 years. But there is no reason why they can't spend a little money at RB. They aren't spending any right now, they aren't going to spend any money on draft picks, and they have plenty of cap space.

Agreed with everything you said here. I really don't get what rawactions problem with adding talent at RB is. Forte just isn't good enough to justify not looking for available upgrades/compliments.

 

You think Forte isn't that good. I don't think he's that bad. But first, let's start with the going rate for a free agent, veteran RB. I know NFL contracts are different birds from other sports, but Correll Buckhalter got 4 years/10 Mil last offseason. Derrick Ward got 4/$17M. Maurice Morris got 3/$7M. All 3 are average RBs who were brought in to share carries. They all got on average 2.5Mil/year. A guy like Pierre Thomas, who is better than all 3, will get A LOT more.

 

I don't mind adding talent to any position, but I think 2.5Mil or more for a RB to share carries is a misuse of funds with so many other needs. Forte is a good enough receiver that he has to be on the field in most passing downs.

 

Additionally, the Bears called 597 pass plays this year (555 Cutler ATT, 8 Hanie, 35 sacks) to just 333 run plays. *Note: I took out runs by Cutler not knowing if they were QB sneaks or scrambles* So, do you pay a lot of money for a guy to get 150 carries and 20-25 catches? Especially when those catches are coming at the expense of a RB who has been in the top 3 in catches in both his years in the league? I understand the need to take touches away from Forte, I really do. But I don't understand the desire to spend a couple million on a FA or draft one with one of the two top 150 picks the Bears have for a guy to get 175-200 touches.

 

More talent at RB isn't going to make the Bears run game better. More talent at tackle, center, and guard will. Do you think Carolina became a good running team the last couple years because of Williams and Stewart? Sure that helped, but they also drafted, developed, and signed probably the best OL in the league. What about the Jets? Did Thomas Jones make them that good of a running team and it's just coincedence that the Jets became a great run team when they brought in Faneca, D'Brick, and Mangold?

[rawaction]

Would the Bears have any interest in Jim Mora Jr. as a D coordinator now that he's been canned by the Seahawks?

 

I think the Bears have their eyes set on Perry Fewell.

 

I think that could be a good move.

 

Fewell or Mora?

[dew1679666265]

Would the Bears have any interest in Jim Mora Jr. as a D coordinator now that he's been canned by the Seahawks?

 

I think the Bears have their eyes set on Perry Fewell.

 

I think that could be a good move.

 

Fewell or Mora?

 

Sorry, Fewell. He's probably one of the better Cover-2 coordinators out there, so if that's the scheme you're sticking with (it appears that it is) then he's probably one of the better ones.

[rawaction]

Would the Bears have any interest in Jim Mora Jr. as a D coordinator now that he's been canned by the Seahawks?

 

I think the Bears have their eyes set on Perry Fewell.

 

I think that could be a good move.

 

Fewell or Mora?

 

Sorry, Fewell. He's probably one of the better Cover-2 coordinators out there, so if that's the scheme you're sticking with (it appears that it is) then he's probably one of the better ones.

 

Yes, I do like Fewell. He was a DBs coach in his past, and it showed this year as the Bills D was 2nd against the pass this year. They had a whopping 28 INTs, including 17 from the safety positions which is what the Bears need. They forced 41 TOs overall. Buffalo dealt with a lot of injuries on D in 2008, but they were 10th in the league in INTs in 2007 also.

 

Edit: Bills did finish 28th against the pass in 07. But they were 7th vs. the pass in '06 and 13th in '08.