Re: Rosenthal: Multiple teams after Bradley

[Backtobanks]

Burrell would be a horrible deal because he really sucks in LF let alone RF in Wrigley. I realize any deal is going to be ugly, but Burrell in RF is really ugly. I wonder what other teams are interested. These names (Wells, Burrell, GMJR) are making Rowand look desirable.

 

 

There are some pretty interesting rumors being floated, especially by Levine. Sounds like Hendry may be trying to trade Soriano. If Soriano is moved, maybe Burrell makes sense in LF. But I agree, Burrell doesn't seem to have a place on the team as it stands.

 

If Hendry could move Bradley and Soriano this offseason he should get the Nobel Prizes for Peace and Economics.

[inari]

Burrell would be a horrible deal because he really sucks in LF let alone RF in Wrigley. I realize any deal is going to be ugly, but Burrell in RF is really ugly. I wonder what other teams are interested. These names (Wells, Burrell, GMJR) are making Rowand look desirable.

 

 

There are some pretty interesting rumors being floated, especially by Levine. Sounds like Hendry may be trying to trade Soriano. If Soriano is moved, maybe Burrell makes sense in LF. But I agree, Burrell doesn't seem to have a place on the team as it stands.

 

If Hendry could move Bradley and Soriano this offseason he should get the Nobel Prizes for Peace and Economics.

 

Not if it's for Vernon Wells and Pat Burrell.

[Backtobanks]

Burrell would be a horrible deal because he really sucks in LF let alone RF in Wrigley. I realize any deal is going to be ugly, but Burrell in RF is really ugly. I wonder what other teams are interested. These names (Wells, Burrell, GMJR) are making Rowand look desirable.

 

 

There are some pretty interesting rumors being floated, especially by Levine. Sounds like Hendry may be trying to trade Soriano. If Soriano is moved, maybe Burrell makes sense in LF. But I agree, Burrell doesn't seem to have a place on the team as it stands.

 

If Hendry could move Bradley and Soriano this offseason he should get the Nobel Prizes for Peace and Economics.

 

Not if it's for Vernon Wells and Pat Burrell.

 

Or even worse - Vernon Wells and Barry Zito plus the Cubs pay part of Soriano's contract. :-))

 

Followed by a trade of Fox to the WS for Rios.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Selling low on Soriano seems pointless.

 

If you don't have to pickup any of the contract, it would be almost difficult for a deal not to be worth it.

[MSG T]

Selling low on Soriano seems pointless.

 

If you don't have to pickup any of the contract, it would be almost difficult for a deal not to be worth it.

 

I would think strongly about it if someone offered to take him and his contract for nothing in return.

 

You'd normally like to get some value for players in trades, but being rid of that contract would be VERY tempting.

 

If Hendry is really shopping him, I wonder what any offers have looked like.

[Guest]

Selling low on Soriano seems pointless.

 

If you don't have to pickup any of the contract, it would be almost difficult for a deal not to be worth it.

 

I would think strongly about it if someone offered to take him and his contract for nothing in return.

 

You'd normally like to get some value for players in trades, but being rid of that contract would be VERY tempting.

 

If Hendry is really shopping him, I wonder what any offers have looked like.

There are a lot of really stupid GMs, but I don't think anyone is stupid enough to take on Soriano with his contract. They only ways they would do it was to trade another bad contract or clean up on prospects. Both of those are bad for the Cubs unless Ricketts is really willing to re-boot. If so, I wouldn't keep Hendry around.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I've mentioned it before, but Jose Guillen is a reasonable proxy for Burrell. I wonder if we could get Moore to give up on some valuable guys coming off down years(Gordon and Cruz leap to mind) if we took on Jose.

[rocket]

Selling low on Soriano seems pointless.

 

If you don't have to pickup any of the contract, it would be almost difficult for a deal not to be worth it.

 

the cubs could trade soriano for a bag of baseballs for all i care if the other team takes on the entire contract.

[Wheelimus]

If any GM's actually would be willing to take Soriano's contract on in exchange for a low A prospect, you have to do it. Especially if they'll bite quickly so the money can immediately be put into the free agent market.

[inari]

Selling low on Soriano seems pointless.

 

If you don't have to pickup any of the contract, it would be almost difficult for a deal not to be worth it.

 

I mean, sure, it's worth it then. But is that realistic at all?

[Wheelimus]

I wouldn't think so now. Soriano would have to come back next spring post surgery rejuvenated. Then, it's a 5 year 95 million dollar contract. If he's looking good, someone might bite. Especially if we're willing to pay most of his 2010 salary in exchange for a better return.

 

But I'd say the odds of Soriano ever being traded are about 1 in a billion.

[jersey cubs fan]

I wouldn't think so now. Soriano would have to come back next spring post surgery rejuvenated. Then, it's a 5 year 95 million dollar contract. If he's looking good, someone might bite. Especially if we're willing to pay most of his 2010 salary in exchange for a better return.

 

But I'd say the odds of Soriano ever being traded are about 1 in a billion.

 

I think the odds are high, but will probably go down every year. The closer they get to the final year of the deal, the easier it might be for them to figure out a deal.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Selling low on Soriano seems pointless.

 

If you don't have to pickup any of the contract, it would be almost difficult for a deal not to be worth it.

 

I mean, sure, it's worth it then. But is that realistic at all?

 

It may not be feasible, but it answers the question about selling low. Soriano's contract is so bad that there are a ton of trades where the Cubs wouldn't get a very good return but they'd come out ahead by getting rid of some portion of Soriano's salary.

[erik316wttn]

I've mentioned it before, but Jose Guillen is a reasonable proxy for Burrell. I wonder if we could get Moore to give up on some valuable guys coming off down years(Gordon and Cruz leap to mind) if we took on Jose.

 

So you want to trade one mental case for another?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I've mentioned it before, but Jose Guillen is a reasonable proxy for Burrell. I wonder if we could get Moore to give up on some valuable guys coming off down years(Gordon and Cruz leap to mind) if we took on Jose.

 

So you want to trade one mental case for another?

 

 

Well, in a different world I wouldn't trade Bradley, but that ship has sailed. But if it brings us Alex Gordon I'd take however many crazies was necessary.

[Guest]

I've mentioned it before, but Jose Guillen is a reasonable proxy for Burrell. I wonder if we could get Moore to give up on some valuable guys coming off down years(Gordon and Cruz leap to mind) if we took on Jose.

 

So you want to trade one mental case for another?

 

 

Well, in a different world I wouldn't trade Bradley, but that ship has sailed. But if it brings us Alex Gordon I'd take however many crazies was necessary.

 

I'd love to pick up Gordon but where would you play him? RF?

[Backtobanks]

I wouldn't think so now. Soriano would have to come back next spring post surgery rejuvenated. Then, it's a 5 year 95 million dollar contract. If he's looking good, someone might bite. Especially if we're willing to pay most of his 2010 salary in exchange for a better return.

 

But I'd say the odds of Soriano ever being traded are about 1 in a billion.

 

Obviously everyone would love to get out from under Soriano's contract, but I believe he will bounce back next year and have a good season. This year he was playing on one leg for a big part of the season. If he can come back anywhere near his career averages (.278/.326/.510/.836 with 36 HR and 93 RBI), someone might want him next fall with the Cubs paying part of the contract.

[illiniguy]

I've mentioned it before, but Jose Guillen is a reasonable proxy for Burrell. I wonder if we could get Moore to give up on some valuable guys coming off down years(Gordon and Cruz leap to mind) if we took on Jose.

 

So you want to trade one mental case for another?

 

 

Well, in a different world I wouldn't trade Bradley, but that ship has sailed. But if it brings us Alex Gordon I'd take however many crazies was necessary.

 

I'd love to pick up Gordon but where would you play him? RF?

Could Alex play second at all?

[Wheelimus]

I wouldn't think so now. Soriano would have to come back next spring post surgery rejuvenated. Then, it's a 5 year 95 million dollar contract. If he's looking good, someone might bite. Especially if we're willing to pay most of his 2010 salary in exchange for a better return.

 

But I'd say the odds of Soriano ever being traded are about 1 in a billion.

 

Obviously everyone would love to get out from under Soriano's contract, but I believe he will bounce back next year and have a good season. This year he was playing on one leg for a big part of the season. If he can come back anywhere near his career averages (.278/.326/.510/.836 with 36 HR and 93 RBI), someone might want him next fall with the Cubs paying part of the contract.

 

Most likely he will. He isn't who he was but he also isn't THAT bad as what we saw this year.

 

It's just that, if at anytime another team is willing to take on the risk of his legs we take it. And if he really starts mashing our GM be competent enough to not stop thinking but to use it to his advantage to sell high for once.

[reggiemiller rules]

Is there actually been any talk of Kansas City moving Gordon, or is it just speculation here because he has been hurt and underperformed so far in his career. He was pretty highly touted coming out of Nebraska I cant see KC giving up on him yet.

[illiniguy]

Is there actually been any talk of Kansas City moving Gordon, or is it just speculation here because he has been hurt and underperformed so far in his career. He was pretty highly touted coming out of Nebraska I cant see KC giving up on him yet.

The talk radio here is pretty hard on him and Hochevar. Wishing instead they were Longoria and Tulowitzki instead. Moore did send Gordon down this year, but I doubt they would give him away.

[dew1679666265]

Is there actually been any talk of Kansas City moving Gordon, or is it just speculation here because he has been hurt and underperformed so far in his career. He was pretty highly touted coming out of Nebraska I cant see KC giving up on him yet.

The talk radio here is pretty hard on him and Hochevar. Wishing instead they were Longoria and Tulowitzki instead. Moore did send Gordon down this year, but I doubt they would give him away.

 

I'd more than happily take both Gordon and Hochevar. KC can have Bradley and Soriano in return, I guess.

[CUBZ99]

http://www.torontosun.com/sports/columnists/bob_elliott/2009/10/31/11588066-sun.html

 

Toronto Sun has an interesting article on the Wells for Bradley rumors.

The Chicago Cubs would like to -- have to -- deal disgruntled outfielder Milton Bradley. And one player they are eyeing as a target destination is the Blue Jays, with centre fielder Vernon Wells going to the Cubs in return.

 

"It's early on, but we think this one has some legs," said one Cubs official. "But they aren't the only team we are talking with."

 

The Cubs' idea is to split the difference on monies owed -- Wells' $107 million and Bradley's $21 million for a difference of $86 million. Each team absorbs $43 million.

 

So instead of Bradley for 2 years at approx $10.5MM per year, they would be willing to take Wells for 6 years at about $10MM per year? There better be something else going on in the deal for the Cubs to take it serious.

[CUBZ99]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-31-cubs-bits-chicago-oct31,0,2928710.story

 

Dempster says team would welcome Bradley back.

 

If the Cubs can't deal Bradley, would his teammates welcome him back after the harsh comments they made following his premature exit?

 

"We're a pretty good bunch of guys and we're pretty forgiving," Ryan Dempster told the Tribune. "I just want the best for Milton, if it's for our team or another team. I just want him to be happy and want him to play baseball.

 

"We have a really good job. At the end of the day, good or bad, you still get to come to the ballpark the next day. We'd have our arms wide open and hope that things would get better."

 

With the articles in the various papers today, it seems Hendry is just jockeying for the best trade possible.

[Backtobanks]

http://www.torontosun.com/sports/columnists/bob_elliott/2009/10/31/11588066-sun.html

 

Toronto Sun has an interesting article on the Wells for Bradley rumors.

The Chicago Cubs would like to -- have to -- deal disgruntled outfielder Milton Bradley. And one player they are eyeing as a target destination is the Blue Jays, with centre fielder Vernon Wells going to the Cubs in return.

 

"It's early on, but we think this one has some legs," said one Cubs official. "But they aren't the only team we are talking with."

 

The Cubs' idea is to split the difference on monies owed -- Wells' $107 million and Bradley's $21 million for a difference of $86 million. Each team absorbs $43 million.

 

So instead of Bradley for 2 years at approx $10.5MM per year, they would be willing to take Wells for 6 years at about $10MM per year? There better be something else going on in the deal for the Cubs to take it serious.

 

This is almost exactly what I proposed in the thread on Wednesday (page 6). I'm not saying I'm in favor of it, I just threw it out there wondering what everyone else thought. It would help some if the Blue Jays paid the $8.5 million signing bonus due in 2010. Let's expand it a little and throw in Miles ($2.5 million) and get back Scott Downs ($4 million).