Twins OFer?

[jacey]

I'd love to have Kubel but DYoung would be worth taking a flyer on, no? It seems MIN has a glut of OFers and would be willing to take a good prospect or two from us.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Id love Kubel, but I dont know much about him from a defensive standpoint, and I havnt heard anything about the Twins being interested in moving him. . D Young, much like Pat Burrell is another one of those former top prospects who hasnt quite lived up to the hype but has still been a more than serviceable player. He does have a bit of a temper. I dont know if the Twins would have any interest in Bradley, but it could at least be worth looking into.

[dew1679666265]

Id love Kubel, but I dont know much about him from a defensive standpoint, and I havnt heard anything about the Twins being interested in moving him. . D Young, much like Pat Burrell is another one of those former top prospects who hasnt quite lived up to the hype but has still been a more than serviceable player. He does have a bit of a temper. I dont know if the Twins would have any interest in Bradley, but it could at least be worth looking into.

 

Depending on how much you like UZR:

 

Kubel's career RF UZR: -9.3

 

He's 27 with a career .813 OPS. It's gotten progressively better the past few years, though, going from .785 to .805 to .907. He's currently signed through 2010 for $4.1 million with a $5.25 million 2011 club option.

[Tim M]

Kubel isn't going anywhere, he's an absolute bargain for the Twins. Check out his numbers against righties this year. He's more of a DH anyways.

 

Absolutely no to Delmon Young. He's awful defensively and his plate discipline has doomed him in the big leagues. He's basically a poor man's Milton Bradley.

[MSG T]

Kubel isn't going anywhere, he's an absolute bargain for the Twins. Check out his numbers against righties this year. He's more of a DH anyways.

 

Absolutely no to Delmon Young. He's awful defensively and his plate discipline has doomed him in the big leagues. He's basically a poor man's Milton Bradley.

 

While I agree with not wanting Young, Bradley has way more plate discipline than DY, and Young is, at least at this point of his career, nowhere near the hitter Bradley is. He'd have to improve a lot to be a poor mans Milton Bradley.

[Outshined_One]

Kubel isn't going anywhere, he's an absolute bargain for the Twins. Check out his numbers against righties this year. He's more of a DH anyways.

 

With his contract being up after the 2011 season, I think the Twins might test the waters with him to see what his trade value is. They're a notoriously stingy team when it comes to payroll and they also have a tendency to sell high on guys while they're still cheap.

[ELCABALLO45]

Kubel is terrible in the OF. He is a DH. he also can't hit lefties at all.

 

Delmon also is terrible in the OF.

[Eric Clipperton]

Both these players are among the worst fits possible for the Cubs to acquire right now.

 

Speaking of players unlikely to be traded, how about we ship off Theriot to the Twins? He seems like a guy they'd overvalue, and I think we've seen his peak the past two years, although the defensive improvement according to UZR this year is promising although not necessarily something we can expect to continue into the future. Since he would have good value around the league, I think we should try to cash in before he can have a bad season, since I think the odds he improves significantly compared to 08/09 are slim. If SS is a major black hole with Blanco or cheap filler, try to pick someone up at the deadline provided the Cubs are actually sitting near the top of the standings. I don't want to rush Castro but assume he'll likely see AAA time next year at some point, and maybe even Wrigley in September...(especially if Sept. is as meaningless as this year, hope that is not the case)

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm all for trading Theriot. I think he has the biggest disconnect between his actual value and his trade value out of any of our players.

[Outshined_One]

I'm all for trading Theriot. I think he has the biggest disconnect between his actual value and his trade value out of any of our players.

 

I think the Cubs should trade him down the line, but who out there who could take over for him at a decent level of production?

 

I could see trading him next offseason if guys like Castro and Barney develop as planned, but trading him now? That'd be an issue, imo.

[TruffleShuffle]

I'm all for trading Theriot. I think he has the biggest disconnect between his actual value and his trade value out of any of our players.

 

I think the Cubs should trade him down the line, but who out there who could take over for him at a decent level of production?

 

I could see trading him next offseason if guys like Castro and Barney develop as planned, but trading him now? That'd be an issue, imo.

 

i guess it depends whether you think that blanco could be not-horrible offensively. he'd certainly be well above average with the glove, but at the plate he'd probably be a complete black hole.

[17 Seconds]

delmon young is atrocious

[Post Count Padder]

I'm all for trading Theriot. I think he has the biggest disconnect between his actual value and his trade value out of any of our players.

 

I think the Cubs should trade him down the line, but who out there who could take over for him at a decent level of production?

 

I could see trading him next offseason if guys like Castro and Barney develop as planned, but trading him now? That'd be an issue, imo.

 

i guess it depends whether you think that blanco could be not-horrible offensively. he'd certainly be well above average with the glove, but at the plate he'd probably be a complete black hole.

Would it be too weird to sign Chone Figgins for shortstop and start Blanco there on days Figgins plays another position or gets a day off? I know Figgins hasn't played much at the position recently but it doesn't sound too far fetched.

[Outshined_One]

Would it be too weird to sign Chone Figgins for shortstop and start Blanco there on days Figgins plays another position or gets a day off? I know Figgins hasn't played much at the position recently but it doesn't sound too far fetched.

 

I don't think Figgins would be much of an upgrade over Theriot. Since he has played SS in a grand total of 27 games (and started at SS in only 17 of those games) since 2002 and he hasn't played SS since 2006, something tells me his defense at SS would likely be abysmal; probably worse than Theriot's. Any upgrade at the plate would be a decided downgrade in the field in that scenario.

 

Also, as good as Blanco is with the glove, I do not think this team is strong enough to have him in the lineup every day. If there's another solution out there, I'd love to hear it. Maybe Orlando Cabrera, if you think his UZR numbers are a fluke and he's still competent defensively, but I wouldn't be too comfortable with a 35 year old SS on this team.

[jersey cubs fan]

I'm all for trading Theriot. I think he has the biggest disconnect between his actual value and his trade value out of any of our players.

 

I think the Cubs should trade him down the line, but who out there who could take over for him at a decent level of production?

 

I could see trading him next offseason if guys like Castro and Barney develop as planned, but trading him now? That'd be an issue, imo.

 

i guess it depends whether you think that blanco could be not-horrible offensively. he'd certainly be well above average with the glove, but at the plate he'd probably be a complete black hole.

Would it be too weird to sign Chone Figgins for shortstop and start Blanco there on days Figgins plays another position or gets a day off? I know Figgins hasn't played much at the position recently but it doesn't sound too far fetched.

 

Theriot's trade value is tied to his affordability and relative youth. As he enters his 30's and gets closer to free agency, his value plummets.

 

And I don't see how Figgins can be thought of for SS. He turns 32 this winter and hasn't played an inning at short since he was 28. He hasn't played any significant innings there since he was 26, and only had 80 innings there. 30-something middle infielders are risky, not to mention guys that haven't been playing middle infield.

[BigbadB1679666149]

Is it a bigger reason Figgins hasn't played SS because he just can't play the position or is it because the Angels have been pretty deep at SS to the point they didn't need Figgins to log any innings there?

 

I don't know, personally. I just know they've had Orlando Cabrera, Maicer Izturis, Erick Aybar, Sean Rodriguez and Brandon Wood that can/could all play SS during those years Figgins wasn't playing SS.

 

That's not to say that I want Figgins having anything to do with the Cubs. But, I wonder if the organizational depth of the Angels at SS might play into why he hasn't spent any time at SS. Of course, not playing any SS for the last 4 years, whether you are capable of playing the position or not, isn't exactly a strong selling point for teams shopping for SS's.

[SouthSideRyan]

Is it a bigger reason Figgins hasn't played SS because he just can't play the position or is it because the Angels have been pretty deep at SS to the point they didn't need Figgins to log any innings there?

 

I don't know, personally. I just know they've had Orlando Cabrera, Maicer Izturis, Erick Aybar, Sean Rodriguez and Brandon Wood that can/could all play SS during those years Figgins wasn't playing SS.

 

That's not to say that I want Figgins having anything to do with the Cubs. But, I wonder if the organizational depth of the Angels at SS might play into why he hasn't spent any time at SS. Of course, not playing any SS for the last 4 years, whether you are capable of playing the position or not, isn't exactly a strong selling point for teams shopping for SS's.

 

Figgins was moved off of SS while he was at AA in Colorado's system. The guy who played SS that season was a 26 year old non-prospect.

[Guancous]

Kubel isn't going anywhere, he's an absolute bargain for the Twins. Check out his numbers against righties this year. He's more of a DH anyways.

 

Absolutely no to Delmon Young. He's awful defensively and his plate discipline has doomed him in the big leagues. He's basically a poor man's Milton Bradley.

 

Delmon Young has potential but right now he's Corey Patterson without the speed, power or defense.

[17 Seconds]

 

Absolutely no to Delmon Young. He's awful defensively and his plate discipline has doomed him in the big leagues. He's basically a poor man's Milton Bradley.

 

he's literally nothing like milton bradley

[inari]

 

Absolutely no to Delmon Young. He's awful defensively and his plate discipline has doomed him in the big leagues. He's basically a poor man's Milton Bradley.

 

he's literally nothing like milton bradley

 

Yeah, like Milton Bradley or not, I don't think anyone who has watched Milt for more than five or six games could buy that comparison.