NFL Week 4

[brinoch]

Comparisons are inevitable.

[TruffleShuffle]

who is doing a better job shutting down the chargers' offense, norv turner or the steelers?

[CubbieBum]

Kyle Orton, 4-0

 

HE JUST WINS

 

I don't know how people can criticize a QB who has 5 TD's, no picks and has led his team to a 4-0 record.

Orton sucks. The pixie dust will come off soon enough.

 

I don't think he's very good, he's average at best. But it amuses me how much Bears fans have turned against him and hope he fails just to make the Cutler trade look that much better from their point of view. Don't forget this was a guy that many loved for his neckbeard and other interesting activities as well.

 

There's no doubt that Cutler would have the Broncos at 4-0 too, but it amazes me why people continue to compare the two. It was a good trade for both teams as the Bears got their franchise QB and the Broncos got a couple of high draft picks the next few years. They're two extremely different QB's, so I don't really get the comparisons.

 

Average at best? He's pretty easily above average. He had an 18-12 ratio with the Bears last year. Considering the Bears receivers, that is much better than average.

 

But yeah I agree with the rest.

[SpongeWorthy]

Maybe it's because I don't live in Chicago but I don't hear any comparisons and I don't really anticipate any unless Denver really takes off and Chicago falters. Even then, I think the formula for Denver winning this year has been established as defense and the running game. Orton will get some credit but not enough for people to really second guess the trade.

[Cutler6]

I just find the missteps of Denver this off season fascinating. I mean, they had a chance of building a semi-dynasty. They had

 

1) A franchise QB

2) One of the best young Olines in the game

3) Two of the best young WR's in the game.

 

Their Achilles heal is that they were just brutal on defense and could not stop the run. But there was talent there.(Dumerville, Bailey,etc) So why would you not hire a defensive minded head coach? And why would you come in try and mess with an offense that was among the best in the NFL? Failure on epic proportions.

[Flames24Rulz]

No it wasn't. The Broncos gave up franchise QB. There is no "win" in that situation unless they get a franchise QB in return. If the Bronco's had Cutler this year combined with their vastly improved defense, I think they might be favorites in the AFC.

 

You're nuts if you think they'd be better than Baltimore or New England.

 

Then again you apparently think Cutler is Jesus, so I'll let you believe that.

[TruffleShuffle]

He had an 18-12 ratio with the Bears last year. Considering the Bears receivers, that is much better than average.

 

that is not much better than average, regardless of who was playing WR for the bears.

 

his career completion percentage is 55.7%; only 3 starting QBs in the nfl were worse than that last year and only 11 out of 32 qualifying QBs had completion % under 60 last year and he's way worse than average in yards per pass.

 

i know you love purdue and all, but get a grip. orton is lousy.

[Flames24Rulz]

I just find the missteps of Denver this off season fascinating. I mean, they had a chance of building a semi-dynasty. They had

 

1) A franchise QB

2) One of the best young Olines in the game

3) Two of the best young WR's in the game.

 

Their Achilles heal is that they were just brutal on defense and could not stop the run. But there was talent there.(Dumerville, Bailey,etc) So why would you not hire a defensive minded head coach? And why would you come in try and mess with an offense that was among the best in the NFL? Failure on epic proportions.

 

A semi-dynasty? What? They were 8-8 last year and their defense had one of the worst months a contender had in the history of the league.

 

I really don't know what you're arguing because the Broncos are 4-0 right now. Granted they've played Oakland and Cleveland, but they've beaten a 3-1 Cincy team and they held a pretty potent Dallas offense to 10 points. I didn't think McDaniels was a great choice for them either, but he's shut me up so far.

[Cutler6]

Yeah, the vaunted Ravens who lost to a pretty average Chargers team. Or the Patriots, the team that lost to the Jets, and should have lost to the Bills.

[Careless]

Yep, SD should have cut Tomlinson in the of-fseason

[SpongeWorthy]

 

Average at best? He's pretty easily above average. He had an 18-12 ratio with the Bears last year. Considering the Bears receivers, that is much better than average.

 

But yeah I agree with the rest.

 

Starters off the top of my head I would take over Orton: Manning, Brady, Brees, Roethlisberger, Warner, E. Manning, McNabb, Romo, Ryan, Rivers, Schaub, Garrard, Favre, Rodgers, Hasselbeck, and Flacco. And then you could throw in the fact that no one in their right mind would take Orton over Stafford or Sanchez as a long term solution.

 

I guess you could say Orton is in the next group with the Shaun Hills and Matt Cassels of the world. I don't see how that puts him at "easily above average" for starting QBs.

[Careless]

Yeah, the vaunted Ravens who lost to a pretty average Chargers team. Or the Patriots, the team that lost to the Jets, and should have lost to the Bills.

The Ravens beat the Chargers

[Flames24Rulz]

Yeah, the vaunted Ravens who lost to a pretty average Chargers team. Or the Patriots, the team that lost to the Jets, and should have lost to the Bills.

 

The Ravens beat San Diego at San Diego.

[SpongeWorthy]

Denver would be pretty damn loaded if they had Cutler combined with the defense they've shown thus far.

[Cutler6]

I just find the missteps of Denver this off season fascinating. I mean, they had a chance of building a semi-dynasty. They had

 

1) A franchise QB

2) One of the best young Olines in the game

3) Two of the best young WR's in the game.

 

Their Achilles heal is that they were just brutal on defense and could not stop the run. But there was talent there.(Dumerville, Bailey,etc) So why would you not hire a defensive minded head coach? And why would you come in try and mess with an offense that was among the best in the NFL? Failure on epic proportions.

 

A semi-dynasty? What? They were 8-8 last year and their defense had one of the worst months a contender had in the history of the league.

 

I really don't know what you're arguing because the Broncos are 4-0 right now. Granted they've played Oakland and Cleveland, but they've beaten a 3-1 Cincy team and they held a pretty potent Dallas offense to 10 points. I didn't think McDaniels was a great choice for them either, but he's shut me up so far.

 

And that defense is now currently one of the best in the NFL, despite major personal changes. Which indicates they had coaching/scheme issues last season. So yeah, I'm pretty sure that a Broncos team with the 2008 offense and the 2009 improved defense would be pretty darn impressive.

 

And F' Kyle Orton for killing Eddie Royal's career.

[ELCABALLO45]

Yeah, the vaunted Ravens who lost to a pretty average Chargers team. Or the Patriots, the team that lost to the Jets, and should have lost to the Bills.

 

Yeah, I hate losing to teams that are 3-1 right now with its only loss to a 4-0 team.

Edited October 5, 2009 by ELCABALLO45

[Flames24Rulz]

I just find the missteps of Denver this off season fascinating. I mean, they had a chance of building a semi-dynasty. They had

 

1) A franchise QB

2) One of the best young Olines in the game

3) Two of the best young WR's in the game.

 

Their Achilles heal is that they were just brutal on defense and could not stop the run. But there was talent there.(Dumerville, Bailey,etc) So why would you not hire a defensive minded head coach? And why would you come in try and mess with an offense that was among the best in the NFL? Failure on epic proportions.

 

A semi-dynasty? What? They were 8-8 last year and their defense had one of the worst months a contender had in the history of the league.

 

I really don't know what you're arguing because the Broncos are 4-0 right now. Granted they've played Oakland and Cleveland, but they've beaten a 3-1 Cincy team and they held a pretty potent Dallas offense to 10 points. I didn't think McDaniels was a great choice for them either, but he's shut me up so far.

 

And that defense is now currently one of the best in the NFL, despite major personal changes. Which indicates they had coaching/scheme issues last season. So yeah, I'm pretty sure that a Broncos team with the 2008 offense and the 2009 improved defense would be pretty darn impressive.

 

And F' Kyle Orton for killing Eddie Royal's career.

 

But I thought they needed to go out and hire a defensive coach? You can't have it both ways.

[Cutler6]

Yeah, the vaunted Ravens who lost to a pretty average Chargers team. Or the Patriots, the team that lost to the Jets, and should have lost to the Bills.

 

Yeah, I hate losing to teams that are 3-1 right now.

 

 

They sure didn't look good getting spanked in New Orleans today? Anyways might point was that parity rules in the NFL, and it is completely feasible to assume a team could make the strides in an off season to contend with Baltimore or New England.

[Careless]

That was a fantastic replay

[Guest]

The Raiders are reportedly bracing themselves for the possibility that head coach Tom Cable could soon be arrested for his training camp fight with former assistant Randy Hanson.

The NFL could also suspend Cable for violating the Personal Conduct Policy if he is charged with assault. "Everybody is trying to figure out who’s going to take over if Tom isn’t here," said one unnamed assistant. "(Defensive coordinator) John Marshall has a lot of experience, he’s probably the guy. But it’s nuts." Perhaps the situation is affecting the Raiders' offensive focus. The unit generated just eight first downs on Sunday.

Source: Yahoo Sports

 

:-))

 

He should get at least two games, probably more. Steve Smith got two games for punching Ken Lucas last year and Cable is a coach, so he should be held to a higher standard.

 

However, this situation isn't affecting the Raiders' offensive focus, JaMarcus Russell is.

[Cutler6]

I just find the missteps of Denver this off season fascinating. I mean, they had a chance of building a semi-dynasty. They had

 

1) A franchise QB

2) One of the best young Olines in the game

3) Two of the best young WR's in the game.

 

Their Achilles heal is that they were just brutal on defense and could not stop the run. But there was talent there.(Dumerville, Bailey,etc) So why would you not hire a defensive minded head coach? And why would you come in try and mess with an offense that was among the best in the NFL? Failure on epic proportions.

 

A semi-dynasty? What? They were 8-8 last year and their defense had one of the worst months a contender had in the history of the league.

 

I really don't know what you're arguing because the Broncos are 4-0 right now. Granted they've played Oakland and Cleveland, but they've beaten a 3-1 Cincy team and they held a pretty potent Dallas offense to 10 points. I didn't think McDaniels was a great choice for them either, but he's shut me up so far.

 

And that defense is now currently one of the best in the NFL, despite major personal changes. Which indicates they had coaching/scheme issues last season. So yeah, I'm pretty sure that a Broncos team with the 2008 offense and the 2009 improved defense would be pretty darn impressive.

 

And F' Kyle Orton for killing Eddie Royal's career.

 

But I thought they needed to go out and hire a defensive coach? You can't have it both ways.

 

Yes. And they should have left the offense 100% "as is". Not attempt some goofy trade for a crappy Matt Cassell.

[Careless]

Hey, it's a lovie special

[Flames24Rulz]

Hey, it's a lovie special

 

Immediately what I thought when I saw Tomlin throw out the flag.

[JonJayCutler]

Kyle Orton, 4-0

 

HE JUST WINS

 

I don't know how people can criticize a QB who has 5 TD's, no picks and has led his team to a 4-0 record.

Orton sucks. The pixie dust will come off soon enough.

 

I don't think he's very good, he's average at best. But it amuses me how much Bears fans have turned against him and hope he fails just to make the Cutler trade look that much better from their point of view. Don't forget this was a guy that many loved for his neckbeard and other interesting activities as well.

 

There's no doubt that Cutler would have the Broncos at 4-0 too, but it amazes me why people continue to compare the two. It was a good trade for both teams as the Bears got their franchise QB and the Broncos got a couple of high draft picks the next few years. They're two extremely different QB's, so I don't really get the comparisons.

 

I haven't "turned against him", but I don't feel like hearing that the Bears got destroyed in this trade, which will inevitably happen if Orton's stats continue to be just as good if not better than Cutler's. Thats why things like the flukey TD to Stokley, and the underthrown TD pass to Marshall bother me, because its making the Broncos seem like they made out like bandits in this trade for those who just look at stats.

[Cutler6]

Nice defense San Diego. Maybe now the Chicago media can stop crying about letting the "Golden Child" Ron Riveria walk.