NFL Week 3

[Magnetic Curses]

marvin harrison is a decrepit old monkey skeleton.

[Flames24Rulz]

Can any of you Colt fans give me a scouting report on Matt Giordano?

 

From my recollection of him, he wasn't anything great but he was a serviceable safety.

 

Giordano was a confusing type of player. From my observations, he was unbelievably fast but not necessarily as quick. He was a big hitter but I don't remember him being a good safety against either the pass or the run (although not absolutely awful at either). He was a good special teams player.

 

He's the type of safety who will really impress on certain plays but doesn't really hold up to scrutiny over a full game. Some people really liked him as a Colt though and couldn't understand why he kept falling further down the depth chart each year so there are definitely differing opinions about him out there.

 

Thanks. It sounds like he should be an improvement over what we have now at the backup safety spots, so that's a plus.

[Guest]

 

Again, Harrison was a cipher the last two years. We can pretend the Colts lost the 1999-2006 Marvin Harrison (average season: 16 games, 103 catches, 1,402 yards , and 13 TDs); however, they lost the 2007-08 Marvin Harrison (average season: 10 games, 40 catches, 441 yards, and three TDs). Devastating loss that is not.

 

This year's Colts team is more talented than last year, with bigger and more talented DT's, a first-round RB to pair with Addai, and, so far, a superior offensive line. The only place -- repeat, ONLY -- area they have less talent is at WR. That deficiency will be diminished once Gonzalez returns (if he does, which is obviously a major concern). There is very little reason to believe this year's version is worse than last year's Colts -- besides anachronistic Harrison worship, or believing the loss of Dungy will be debilitating. Now what record all that will translate to, who knows?

 

A player is more than just the stats he put up. Harrison had been on the Colts as long as anyone. I would assume he had some kind of leadership role especially with the receiving core. Also while he didn't have great stats the last couple years he was still focused on by defenses and opposing teams still worried about him dominating them. He is a bigger loss then you seem willing to admit. Its a small sample size obviously but from what I've seen the Colts passing game hasn't gotten in the endzone a whole lot because once they get into the redzone Peyton doesn't have a arsenal of targets like he has always had. He has Wayne and Clark. Everyone knows those are the only two reliable targets in the redzone and the two Peyton is going to want to get it to the most.

 

The run game should be better but the Colts live off of the passing game. So the way I look at it is the Colts passing game won't be as good and the defense is as bad as ever = a worse Colts team.

 

Then again Jax and Tennessee don't look as good so the Colts might benefit from that. They also get to play the NFC West.

 

He's much less of a loss than you seem willing to admit.

 

Harrison was, at best, their No. 2 WR last year behind Wayne. His numbers were also worse than Clark's and very similar to Anthony Gonzalez. Gonzalez was also only a second year player and improving while Harrison is only getting worse.

 

Basically, going into this year, he would have been their No. 3 WR and No. 4 pass catcher. With Wayne and Clark out there as well, it's not very hard to replace that, especially if Gonzalez comes back healthy.

[CubColtPacer]

A player is more than just the stats he put up. Harrison had been on the Colts as long as anyone. I would assume he had some kind of leadership role especially with the receiving core.

 

I loved Marvin, but he was not a leader whatsoever. Even people who had been with him for 10 years had no idea who he was. He did his job and went home and didn't really ever talk to anybody. The only benefit young receivers might have gotten from him is being able to watch him on the practice field, but Harrison was certainly not taking anybody under his wing.

 

Also while he didn't have great stats the last couple years he was still focused on by defenses and opposing teams still worried about him dominating them. He is a bigger loss then you seem willing to admit.

 

They went back to the tape last year and it just isn't true. Harrison was mostly getting single covered last year and Wayne was getting the doubleteams.

 

Its a small sample size obviously but from what I've seen the Colts passing game hasn't gotten in the endzone a whole lot because once they get into the redzone Peyton doesn't have a arsenal of targets like he has always had. He has Wayne and Clark. Everyone knows those are the only two reliable targets in the redzone and the two Peyton is going to want to get it to the most.

 

The run game should be better but the Colts live off of the passing game. So the way I look at it is the Colts passing game won't be as good and the defense is as bad as ever = a worse Colts team.

 

Then again Jax and Tennessee don't look as good so the Colts might benefit from that. They also get to play the NFC West.

 

That must be quite a small sample size for the Colts supposed red zone problems because they've had an issue in exactly 1 possession so far . The first game they had 2 possessions in the red zone. One resulted in an INT (Peyton made a bad decision when he had Clark wide open) and the other one was a rushing TD. Last game the Colts had 1 red zone opportunity and had a 15 yard rushing TD.

 

And btw, the passing game is doing just fine. Peyton is averaging over 300 yards a game and has 3 TD passes of 35 yards or more. He also has completed 68.9% of his passes which is the highest number of his career. His yards/attempt is the highest of his career, and his INT percentage is down. His QB rating is the 2nd highest of his career so far.

 

There's speculation that the Colts passing game will suffer in the future. But so far, that hasn't been the case whatsoever. And this isn't the first time that something has been said will derail the Colts passing game and it just doesn't happen.

 

I have no idea where you are getting that the passing game has actually been any worse so far this year though.

[dew1679666265]

A player is more than just the stats he put up. Harrison had been on the Colts as long as anyone. I would assume he had some kind of leadership role especially with the receiving core.

 

If there's one thing the Colts have, it's leadership. Between Peyton, Wayne, Clark, Sanders and Saturday, leadership won't be a problem for that team.

 

Also while he didn't have great stats the last couple years he was still focused on by defenses and opposing teams still worried about him dominating them. He is a bigger loss then you seem willing to admit. Its a small sample size obviously but from what I've seen the Colts passing game hasn't gotten in the endzone a whole lot because once they get into the redzone Peyton doesn't have a arsenal of targets like he has always had. He has Wayne and Clark. Everyone knows those are the only two reliable targets in the redzone and the two Peyton is going to want to get it to the most.

 

The run game should be better but the Colts live off of the passing game. So the way I look at it is the Colts passing game won't be as good and the defense is as bad as ever = a worse Colts team.

 

If anything, because of the youth of Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon, the Colts are probably going to be better as the season progresses than they are now. Collie fits the Indy system to a tee and Garcon has great deep speed it appears - which is a fantastic new option for Peyton. If a team doubles Wayne like the Dolphins did Monday night, Peyton will still have one great option - Clark - and two good options - Collie and Garcon. The Colts also like throwing to their backs out of the backfield and both Addai and Brown are at least decent at those.

 

Then again Jax and Tennessee don't look as good so the Colts might benefit from that. They also get to play the NFC West.

 

The NFC West will help them, but I fully expect the Titans to improve. The lone weak spots appear to be the secondary and special teams so far and the secondary is bound to improve. Special teams wasn't good last year and probably won't be good this year. Titans won't win 13 again almost certainly, but they'll still give Indy a fight.

[Exile on Waveland]

Allowing CCP to handle the Colts comments, the Titans have lost by a combined six points on the road to the defending Super Bowl champions and against everyone's up-and-coming sleeper team and they're down? They may be 0-2, but that's a damn good football team in Nashville.

[CubbieBum]

A player is more than just the stats he put up. Harrison had been on the Colts as long as anyone. I would assume he had some kind of leadership role especially with the receiving core.

 

I loved Marvin, but he was not a leader whatsoever. Even people who had been with him for 10 years had no idea who he was. He did his job and went home and didn't really ever talk to anybody. The only benefit young receivers might have gotten from him is being able to watch him on the practice field, but Harrison was certainly not taking anybody under his wing.

 

Also while he didn't have great stats the last couple years he was still focused on by defenses and opposing teams still worried about him dominating them. He is a bigger loss then you seem willing to admit.

 

They went back to the tape last year and it just isn't true. Harrison was mostly getting single covered last year and Wayne was getting the doubleteams.

 

Its a small sample size obviously but from what I've seen the Colts passing game hasn't gotten in the endzone a whole lot because once they get into the redzone Peyton doesn't have a arsenal of targets like he has always had. He has Wayne and Clark. Everyone knows those are the only two reliable targets in the redzone and the two Peyton is going to want to get it to the most.

 

The run game should be better but the Colts live off of the passing game. So the way I look at it is the Colts passing game won't be as good and the defense is as bad as ever = a worse Colts team.

 

Then again Jax and Tennessee don't look as good so the Colts might benefit from that. They also get to play the NFC West.

 

That must be quite a small sample size for the Colts supposed red zone problems because they've had an issue in exactly 1 possession so far . The first game they had 2 possessions in the red zone. One resulted in an INT (Peyton made a bad decision when he had Clark wide open) and the other one was a rushing TD. Last game the Colts had 1 red zone opportunity and had a 15 yard rushing TD.

 

And btw, the passing game is doing just fine. Peyton is averaging over 300 yards a game and has 3 TD passes of 35 yards or more. He also has completed 68.9% of his passes which is the highest number of his career. His yards/attempt is the highest of his career, and his INT percentage is down. His QB rating is the 2nd highest of his career so far.

 

There's speculation that the Colts passing game will suffer in the future. But so far, that hasn't been the case whatsoever. And this isn't the first time that something has been said will derail the Colts passing game and it just doesn't happen.

 

I have no idea where you are getting that the passing game has actually been any worse so far this year though.

 

The Colts have played the 23rd and 26th ranked passing defenses so far. That skews the stats quite a bit.

 

Peyton does indeed have TD's of 35+ yards. He also has 0 besides those. Last year by my count 17 of his 27 TD passes were 10 yards or shorter and another four came from inside the redzone. The Colts have always been able to get into the redzone and still find the gaps and passing lanes for TD's. A lot of that is Peyton and a lot of it was being able to spread out the defense with an abundance of good receivers. From what I have seen out of the receivers they aren't good enough to beat the good teams and get open in the redzone. That could change because they are young and inexperienced but right now they haven't shown, at least to my observation, that they are good enough to be counted on in the tough situations.

[CubbieBum]

Allowing CCP to handle the Colts comments, the Titans have lost by a combined six points on the road to the defending Super Bowl champions and against everyone's up-and-coming sleeper team and they're down? They may be 0-2, but that's a damn good football team in Nashville.

 

They are still a good team but not the team of last year. Even my brother who is a huge Titans fan admits that. The secondary is awful and by awful I mean worst in the league so far. They could win 10-11 games at best unless the secondary gets sorted out they start getting a push up the middle. That would be down from last year.

[dew1679666265]

Allowing CCP to handle the Colts comments, the Titans have lost by a combined six points on the road to the defending Super Bowl champions and against everyone's up-and-coming sleeper team and they're down? They may be 0-2, but that's a damn good football team in Nashville.

 

They are still a good team but not the team of last year. Even my brother who is a huge Titans fan admits that. The secondary is awful and by awful I mean worst in the league so far. They could win 10-11 games at best unless the secondary gets sorted out they start getting a push up the middle. That would be down from last year.

 

It's easily one of the most talented secondaries in the game today. The secondary has been bad since the fourth quarter of the Pittsburgh game, but a lot of that has been blown coverages - likely due to adjustments to the new scheme. I'll be utterly shocked if the secondary doesn't improve significantly.

 

Like I said before, we won't win 13 games this year, but we were extremely unlikely to match that again this year. I've thought since before the year started that we were likely a 10-11 win team this year. We can still reach that, even after the 0-2 start.

[CubbieBum]

Allowing CCP to handle the Colts comments, the Titans have lost by a combined six points on the road to the defending Super Bowl champions and against everyone's up-and-coming sleeper team and they're down? They may be 0-2, but that's a damn good football team in Nashville.

 

They are still a good team but not the team of last year. Even my brother who is a huge Titans fan admits that. The secondary is awful and by awful I mean worst in the league so far. They could win 10-11 games at best unless the secondary gets sorted out they start getting a push up the middle. That would be down from last year.

 

It's easily one of the most talented secondaries in the game today. The secondary has been bad since the fourth quarter of the Pittsburgh game, but a lot of that has been blown coverages - likely due to adjustments to the new scheme. I'll be utterly shocked if the secondary doesn't improve significantly.

 

Like I said before, we won't win 13 games this year, but we were extremely unlikely to match that again this year. I've thought since before the year started that we were likely a 10-11 win team this year. We can still reach that, even after the 0-2 start.

 

I'm sorry but Nick Harper, Cortland Finnegan, Chris Hope and Michael Griffin do not equal one of the best secondaries in the game. They aren't as bad as they have played but they aren't top 10 either. They have benefited from a defensive line that has been great against the run and capable of getting pressure on the QB while only rushing four. They are likely somewhere between 10-20 and now that they have to step up this year because of the d-line not being as good we'll see if where they fall.

[Guest]

The Colts have played the 23rd and 26th ranked passing defenses so far. That skews the stats quite a bit.

 

Peyton does indeed have TD's of 35+ yards. He also has 0 besides those. Last year by my count 17 of his 27 TD passes were 10 yards or shorter and another four came from inside the redzone. The Colts have always been able to get into the redzone and still find the gaps and passing lanes for TD's. A lot of that is Peyton and a lot of it was being able to spread out the defense with an abundance of good receivers. From what I have seen out of the receivers they aren't good enough to beat the good teams and get open in the redzone. That could change because they are young and inexperienced but right now they haven't shown, at least to my observation, that they are good enough to be counted on in the tough situations.

 

Or maybe those defenses are ranked No. 23 and No. 26 because they had to face Peyton Manning in one of the two games they've played so far. In Jacksonville's case, they also had to face Arizona, which is a good passing offense as well. And Matt Ryan's no slouch at QB either. It's not like JaMarcus Russell went and tore up Miami/Jacksonville for a 21-30, 275 yds, 2 TD line.

 

Why are you using rankings after two games? Do you put stock in a baseball player's stats after 20 games? Of course not. Hey look, Denver's allowed 13 points in two games so they must be the best defense of all time!

Edited September 25, 2009 by soccer10k

[dew1679666265]

I'm sorry but Nick Harper, Cortland Finnegan, Chris Hope and Michael Griffin do not equal one of the best secondaries in the game. They aren't as bad as they have played but they aren't top 10 either. They have benefited from a defensive line that has been great against the run and capable of getting pressure on the QB while only rushing four. They are likely somewhere between 10-20 and now that they have to step up this year because of the d-line not being as good we'll see if where they fall.

 

Albert Haynesworth is a fantastic defensive lineman, but there's so much talent along the line other than him. The line has proven it can get pressure without Albert and the secondary has proven it can cover with the best of them without him. Albert was a massive force, but he never started more than 14 games in a year and he sat out quite a few snaps in those games he played.

 

This current secondary has been together since 2007. In those years, the defense has ranked 8th and 2nd in points allowed. The year before the main four (Harper, Finnegan, Hope and Griffin), the Titans ranked 31st in points allowed - with Albert on the team.

 

And for what it's worth, I haven't seen an analysis yet that doesn't have the Titans' secondary in the top 5-10 (at worst) of NFL secondaries. Usually they're top 1-5.

[Z38Cubs]

Can any of you Colt fans give me a scouting report on Matt Giordano?

 

From my recollection of him, he wasn't anything great but he was a serviceable safety.

 

Giordano was a confusing type of player. From my observations, he was unbelievably fast but not necessarily as quick. He was a big hitter but I don't remember him being a good safety against either the pass or the run (although not absolutely awful at either). He was a good special teams player.

 

He's the type of safety who will really impress on certain plays but doesn't really hold up to scrutiny over a full game. Some people really liked him as a Colt though and couldn't understand why he kept falling further down the depth chart each year so there are definitely differing opinions about him out there.

 

Thanks. It sounds like he should be an improvement over what we have now at the backup safety spots, so that's a plus.

 

He's also the guy who caught and tackled Devin Hester in the end zone after his Opening kickoff return in the Super Bowl.

[CubbieBum]

I'm sorry but Nick Harper, Cortland Finnegan, Chris Hope and Michael Griffin do not equal one of the best secondaries in the game. They aren't as bad as they have played but they aren't top 10 either. They have benefited from a defensive line that has been great against the run and capable of getting pressure on the QB while only rushing four. They are likely somewhere between 10-20 and now that they have to step up this year because of the d-line not being as good we'll see if where they fall.

 

Albert Haynesworth is a fantastic defensive lineman, but there's so much talent along the line other than him. The line has proven it can get pressure without Albert and the secondary has proven it can cover with the best of them without him. Albert was a massive force, but he never started more than 14 games in a year and he sat out quite a few snaps in those games he played.

 

This current secondary has been together since 2007. In those years, the defense has ranked 8th and 2nd in points allowed. The year before the main four (Harper, Finnegan, Hope and Griffin), the Titans ranked 31st in points allowed - with Albert on the team.

 

And for what it's worth, I haven't seen an analysis yet that doesn't have the Titans' secondary in the top 5-10 (at worst) of NFL secondaries. Usually they're top 1-5.

 

Yeah yeah yeah I hear all about the Titans every day from my brother. However he said even before the season that the Titans secondary isn't as good as its reputation. He said they have benefited from a great front seven for years and thus got overrated, now without as good of a front seven they will not do nearly as well.

[CubbieBum]

The Colts have played the 23rd and 26th ranked passing defenses so far. That skews the stats quite a bit.

 

Peyton does indeed have TD's of 35+ yards. He also has 0 besides those. Last year by my count 17 of his 27 TD passes were 10 yards or shorter and another four came from inside the redzone. The Colts have always been able to get into the redzone and still find the gaps and passing lanes for TD's. A lot of that is Peyton and a lot of it was being able to spread out the defense with an abundance of good receivers. From what I have seen out of the receivers they aren't good enough to beat the good teams and get open in the redzone. That could change because they are young and inexperienced but right now they haven't shown, at least to my observation, that they are good enough to be counted on in the tough situations.

 

Or maybe those defenses are ranked No. 23 and No. 26 because they had to face Peyton Manning in one of the two games they've played so far. In Jacksonville's case, they also had to face Arizona, which is a good passing offense as well. And Matt Ryan's no slouch at QB either. It's not like JaMarcus Russell went and tore up Miami/Jacksonville for a 21-30, 275 yds, 2 TD line.

 

Why are you using rankings after two games? Do you put stock in a baseball player's stats after 20 games? Of course not. Hey look, Denver's allowed 13 points in two games so they must be the best defense of all time!

 

No, I put stock in the fact that Jacksonville and Miami were ranked 24th and 25th last year and this year have only backed up those rankings.

[Guest]

The Colts have played the 23rd and 26th ranked passing defenses so far. That skews the stats quite a bit.

 

Peyton does indeed have TD's of 35+ yards. He also has 0 besides those. Last year by my count 17 of his 27 TD passes were 10 yards or shorter and another four came from inside the redzone. The Colts have always been able to get into the redzone and still find the gaps and passing lanes for TD's. A lot of that is Peyton and a lot of it was being able to spread out the defense with an abundance of good receivers. From what I have seen out of the receivers they aren't good enough to beat the good teams and get open in the redzone. That could change because they are young and inexperienced but right now they haven't shown, at least to my observation, that they are good enough to be counted on in the tough situations.

 

Or maybe those defenses are ranked No. 23 and No. 26 because they had to face Peyton Manning in one of the two games they've played so far. In Jacksonville's case, they also had to face Arizona, which is a good passing offense as well. And Matt Ryan's no slouch at QB either. It's not like JaMarcus Russell went and tore up Miami/Jacksonville for a 21-30, 275 yds, 2 TD line.

 

Why are you using rankings after two games? Do you put stock in a baseball player's stats after 20 games? Of course not. Hey look, Denver's allowed 13 points in two games so they must be the best defense of all time!

 

No, I put stock in the fact that Jacksonville and Miami were ranked 24th and 25th last year and this year have only backed up those rankings.

 

So then why not say that instead of providing rankings based on two weeks of this year.

 

I'm not arguing that Miami and Jacksonville have great pass defense, just that your reasoning explained in your post was horribly flawed.

[Banedon]

Im not sure I get the Baltimore love. They allowed 24 points to the Kansas City Chiefs, who had their backup QB starting. Their allowing over 300 yards a game so far. Yea they have put up some points, but they have also given up quite a few.

 

It has as much to do with Cleveland as it does with Baltimore. They scored all of 6 points against the Broncos.

[Banedon]

"This is not the exact scenario I thought would play out," Vick tells CBS in an interview to be aired Sunday, per Sean Leahy of USA Today. "I thought I'd be playing with a team and actually starting."

[Guest]

"This is not the exact scenario I thought would play out," Vick tells CBS in an interview to be aired Sunday, per Sean Leahy of USA Today. "I thought I'd be playing with a team and actually starting."

 

That dude is seriously delirious. Maybe Vick and Milton Bradley can be facebook friends.

[imb]

A player is more than just the stats he put up. Harrison had been on the Colts as long as anyone. I would assume he had some kind of leadership role especially with the receiving core.

 

I loved Marvin, but he was not a leader whatsoever. Even people who had been with him for 10 years had no idea who he was. He did his job and went home and didn't really ever talk to anybody. The only benefit young receivers might have gotten from him is being able to watch him on the practice field, but Harrison was certainly not taking anybody under his wing.

 

Also while he didn't have great stats the last couple years he was still focused on by defenses and opposing teams still worried about him dominating them. He is a bigger loss then you seem willing to admit.

 

They went back to the tape last year and it just isn't true. Harrison was mostly getting single covered last year and Wayne was getting the doubleteams.

 

Its a small sample size obviously but from what I've seen the Colts passing game hasn't gotten in the endzone a whole lot because once they get into the redzone Peyton doesn't have a arsenal of targets like he has always had. He has Wayne and Clark. Everyone knows those are the only two reliable targets in the redzone and the two Peyton is going to want to get it to the most.

 

The run game should be better but the Colts live off of the passing game. So the way I look at it is the Colts passing game won't be as good and the defense is as bad as ever = a worse Colts team.

 

Then again Jax and Tennessee don't look as good so the Colts might benefit from that. They also get to play the NFC West.

 

That must be quite a small sample size for the Colts supposed red zone problems because they've had an issue in exactly 1 possession so far . The first game they had 2 possessions in the red zone. One resulted in an INT (Peyton made a bad decision when he had Clark wide open) and the other one was a rushing TD. Last game the Colts had 1 red zone opportunity and had a 15 yard rushing TD.

 

And btw, the passing game is doing just fine. Peyton is averaging over 300 yards a game and has 3 TD passes of 35 yards or more. He also has completed 68.9% of his passes which is the highest number of his career. His yards/attempt is the highest of his career, and his INT percentage is down. His QB rating is the 2nd highest of his career so far.

 

There's speculation that the Colts passing game will suffer in the future. But so far, that hasn't been the case whatsoever. And this isn't the first time that something has been said will derail the Colts passing game and it just doesn't happen.

 

I have no idea where you are getting that the passing game has actually been any worse so far this year though.

 

DONT YOU REALIZE YOU'RE ARGUING WITH THE FOOTBALL KNOWITALL? might want to tone it down a notch

[dew1679666265]

Yeah yeah yeah I hear all about the Titans every day from my brother. However he said even before the season that the Titans secondary isn't as good as its reputation. He said they have benefited from a great front seven for years and thus got overrated, now without as good of a front seven they will not do nearly as well.

 

I haven't seen much of anything that leads me to believe that the secondary is overrated. They've certainly been helped by a great front seven, but they are a great unit too. The front seven was excellent before 2007 too, but the defense (particularly the secondary) was terrible before this current group was put together. That means a lot.

 

And the front seven is still very good this year. Albert is a great player, but Jason Jones showed he could be a great player last year, Vanden Bosch is healthy again and Kearse/Ford/Ball are good at solid. Add in Jovan Haye in the middle, along with Vickerson and Tony Brown and that line is still very good.

[Banedon]

How bout dem Cowboys?

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=reilly_rick&id=4491594

 

Honestly though, I thought like the 11 players that misunderstood the first question.

[ELCABALLO45]

Allowing CCP to handle the Colts comments, the Titans have lost by a combined six points on the road to the defending Super Bowl champions and against everyone's up-and-coming sleeper team and they're down? They may be 0-2, but that's a damn good football team in Nashville.

 

They are still a good team but not the team of last year. Even my brother who is a huge Titans fan admits that. The secondary is awful and by awful I mean worst in the league so far. They could win 10-11 games at best unless the secondary gets sorted out they start getting a push up the middle. That would be down from last year.

 

It's easily one of the most talented secondaries in the game today. The secondary has been bad since the fourth quarter of the Pittsburgh game, but a lot of that has been blown coverages - likely due to adjustments to the new scheme. I'll be utterly shocked if the secondary doesn't improve significantly.

 

Like I said before, we won't win 13 games this year, but we were extremely unlikely to match that again this year. I've thought since before the year started that we were likely a 10-11 win team this year. We can still reach that, even after the 0-2 start.

 

I'm sorry but Nick Harper, Cortland Finnegan, Chris Hope and Michael Griffin do not equal one of the best secondaries in the game. They aren't as bad as they have played but they aren't top 10 either. They have benefited from a defensive line that has been great against the run and capable of getting pressure on the QB while only rushing four. They are likely somewhere between 10-20 and now that they have to step up this year because of the d-line not being as good we'll see if where they fall.

 

Griffin and Hope are 2 of the better safties in the league.

 

Finnegan is probably a top 10 corner back.

 

Its a talented secondary

[ELCABALLO45]

Haha good start

[bcl412]

Why is there a crappy Tim Allen movie on my TV instead of the Packers?