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[Hawk4Hall]

I know hindsight is 20/20 but Olney was nearly spot on. I think a F grade sums up the offseason right now.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3805324&name=olney_buster

[Gingerballs Lives]

Anybody with two eyes should have been able to see Hendry's offseason moves were terrible.

 

He needs to go.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

So his premise is that the difference in DeRosa + Edmonds v. Bradley is enough to be able to pay Peavy? Even leaving that aside, Edmonds is done professionally, odds of him being any better than Fontenot(especially when you include defense) are not good. Bradley and DeRosa have been equals this year, and the rotation has been fantastic without Peavy, who would've required a ransom of players and missed a ton of regular season time. Buster was wrong.

[Little Slide Rooter]

So his premise is that the difference in DeRosa + Edmonds v. Bradley is enough to be able to pay Peavy? Even leaving that aside, Edmonds is done professionally, odds of him being any better than Fontenot(especially when you include defense) are not good. Bradley and DeRosa have been equals this year, and the rotation has been fantastic without Peavy, who would've required a ransom of players and missed a ton of regular season time. Buster was wrong.

 

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[Cubswin11]

So his premise is that the difference in DeRosa + Edmonds v. Bradley is enough to be able to pay Peavy? Even leaving that aside, Edmonds is done professionally, odds of him being any better than Fontenot(especially when you include defense) are not good. Bradley and DeRosa have been equals this year, and the rotation has been fantastic without Peavy, who would've required a ransom of players and missed a ton of regular season time. Buster was wrong.

DeRosa has been better than Bradley this year. Peavy's injury was a freak thing, he hurt his ankle/foot running the bases. He might never suffer that injury if he's on the Cubs to start the year.

[Sammy Sofa]

DeRosa has been better than Bradley this year.

 

In the long run they're basically a wash.

[Cubswin11]

DeRosa has been better than Bradley this year.

 

In the long run they're basically a wash.

DeRosa: .257/.326/.451 .777OPS 23 HR

Bradley: .257/.378/.397 .775 OPS 12 HR

 

Take into account DeRosa can play multiple positions and is at least average at all of them and Bradley is a minus defender in RF. I think DeRosa had a better year (he also put up those numbers with a wrist that will need surgery in the offseason).

[Keener98]

DeRosa has been better than Bradley this year.

 

In the long run they're basically a wash.

 

Yea 777 OPS to a 775 Ops, wow DeRo kicked his ass!

 

Sits back and waits for the "but DeRosa has over 20 hr's and Bradley was brought you to be a run producer" crap.

[jersey cubs fan]

DeRosa has been better than Bradley this year.

 

In the long run they're basically a wash.

 

Yea 777 OPS to a 775 Ops, wow DeRo kicked his ass!

 

Sits back and waits for the "but DeRosa has over 20 hr's and Bradley was brought you to be a run producer" crap.

 

Well one plays multiple positions for a whole lot less money than the other.

[Old Style]

The fact that DeRo is not an a-hole has to tip the scales in his direction.

[Keener98]

DeRosa has been better than Bradley this year.

 

In the long run they're basically a wash.

 

Yea 777 OPS to a 775 Ops, wow DeRo kicked his ass!

 

Sits back and waits for the "but DeRosa has over 20 hr's and Bradley was brought you to be a run producer" crap.

 

Well one plays multiple positions for a whole lot less money than the other.

 

 

The comment was "DeRosa has been better than Bradley this year, the money is a non factor in that statement, and the multiple positions is a benefit, but it doesnt make the statement true.

[Keener98]

The fact that DeRo is not an a-hole has to tip the scales in his direction.

 

And hes white

[Cubswin11]

Grit factor also tips in DeRosa's favor

[Keener98]

Grit factor also tips in DeRosa's favor

 

That goes along with him being white

[inari]

Grit factor also tips in DeRosa's favor

 

I can't tell if that's serious.

[Cubs Fan Dan]

See this is where OPS. does not win the argument. You look at what Bradley was signed for and yes it is a run producer, where he was placed in the lineup may defeat this argument but I would have taken DeRosa's bat in the 5th or 6th spot of the lineup over Bradley's simply because Bradley has not hit with people on, not even to the tune of a good sac fly hitter. He sucks with people in scoring position, the only reason Bradley is close to DeRosa is run created is because his resurgent second half in getting on base in front of DLEE. Bradley hit .205 with runners in scoring position.

 

Buster is correct by saying the Cubs should not have went for Bradley and traded DeRosa and their should not be an argument with that statement.

 

I was a huge Bradley fan and argued with people all season about how he will turn things around, but at this point I am sick of hearing people defending the guy, he is flat out a moron who does not deserve to be blessed by playing this game for 10 million a year. I hope the Cubs can get something for him but I am at the point where I will not miss him, or hopefully wont miss Hendry if he gets canned.

[jersey cubs fan]

DeRosa has been better than Bradley this year.

 

In the long run they're basically a wash.

 

Yea 777 OPS to a 775 Ops, wow DeRo kicked his ass!

 

Sits back and waits for the "but DeRosa has over 20 hr's and Bradley was brought you to be a run producer" crap.

 

Well one plays multiple positions for a whole lot less money than the other.

 

 

The comment was "DeRosa has been better than Bradley this year, the money is a non factor in that statement, and the multiple positions is a benefit, but it doesnt make the statement true.

 

There was a comment that in the long run they are basically a wash, and that's a very vague statement that to me would have to take into account things other than straight batting lines. A players pay matters, it always does. They have a budget, and if they have to pay one guy a lot more to do the same thing as somebody else, it's a bad thing.

Edited September 22, 2009 by jersey cubs fan

[Pushfrog98]

DeRosa has been better than Bradley this year.

 

In the long run they're basically a wash.

 

Yea 777 OPS to a 775 Ops, wow DeRo kicked his ass!

 

Sits back and waits for the "but DeRosa has over 20 hr's and Bradley was brought you to be a run producer" crap.

 

Well one plays multiple positions for a whole lot less money than the other.

 

 

The comment was "DeRosa has been better than Bradley this year, the money is a non factor in that statement, and the multiple positions is a benefit, but it doesnt make the statement true.

Statistically, they've been about even, but the expectations put on someone making $10million are going to be that much higher than that of someone making $5million (or whatever DeRo is making).

[NonProfitCow]

See this is where OPS. does not win the argument. You look at what Bradley was signed for and yes it is a run producer, where he was placed in the lineup may defeat this argument but I would have taken DeRosa's bat in the 5th or 6th spot of the lineup over Bradley's simply because Bradley has not hit with people on, not even to the tune of a good sac fly hitter. He sucks with people in scoring position, the only reason Bradley is close to DeRosa is run created is because his resurgent second half in getting on base in front of DLEE. Bradley hit .205 with runners in scoring position.

 

Buster is correct by saying the Cubs should not have went for Bradley and traded DeRosa and their should not be an argument with that statement.

 

I was a huge Bradley fan and argued with people all season about how he will turn things around, but at this point I am sick of hearing people defending the guy, he is flat out a moron who does not deserve to be blessed by playing this game for 10 million a year. I hope the Cubs can get something for him but I am at the point where I will not miss him, or hopefully wont miss Hendry if he gets canned.

fail

[Sammy Sofa]

See this is where OPS. does not win the argument. You look at what Bradley was signed for and yes it is a run producer

 

Which is stupid because even in his career year he wasn't a big RBI guy. You can't really make a player into something they're not.

[Rob]

Jim Hendry made a lot of good moves this offseason... including the DeRosa deal.

 

Personally, i had always been of the mind to play Pie and let him adjust (which he's finally done), but once Lou decided he couldn't bear to witness a young player trying to adjust slowly, signing Bradley was actually a good move considering what was available and the pricetags associated. He could've done better had he known Abreu's price would drop so drastically, but nobody knew that.

 

Just because the moves didn't pan out doesn't mean he made the wrong ones. We can only judge him with the information he had available at the time.

[jersey cubs fan]

Jim Hendry made a lot of good moves this offseason... including the DeRosa deal.

 

Personally, i had always been of the mind to play Pie and let him adjust (which he's finally done), but once Lou decided he couldn't bear to witness a young player trying to adjust slowly, signing Bradley was actually a good move considering what was available and the pricetags associated. He could've done better had he known Abreu's price would drop so drastically, but nobody knew that.

 

Just because the moves didn't pan out doesn't mean he made the wrong ones. We can only judge him with the information he had available at the time.

 

What a cop-out. He had information at the time and the information said Hendry made the team worse in the offseason. It was said at the time. It's also been true that he's been here for several years with tons of money to spend and he's created far too many disappointing moves.

[Tyrant]

Grit factor also tips in DeRosa's favor

 

Actually, that's not true. Bradley's Grit Factor is much higher than DeRosa's.

 

http://www.pseubermetrics.com/players_ongoing.php

[Cubs Fan Dan]

See this is where OPS. does not win the argument. You look at what Bradley was signed for and yes it is a run producer

 

Which is stupid because even in his career year he wasn't a big RBI guy. You can't really make a player into something they're not.

 

Exactly my point, if the Cubs attacked Bradley as a #2 hitter there would be a difference, but to me if people are comparing DeRosa and Bradley they need to take into context what the Cubs were trying to achieve by signing Bradley, which was a LH middle of the order run producer.

 

NonProfitCow - Thanks for you input, I am stating an opinion based on Hendry's failure to find a better hitter for the middle of the order, which Bradley has not been a better middle of the order hitter this year than DeRosa regardless of OPS.

[champaignchris]

I see nothing in that article about Soriano dissolving before our eyes like the bad guys in Raiders of the Lost Ark.

 

Or Ramirez missing 70 games.

 

Or 2B being a big black hole.

 

Or Soto having the sophomore slump to end all sophomore slumps.

 

Keep DeRosa and don't sign Bradly, and you either still have a hole in RF or you have the same hole at 2B. Either way, you still don't have anything to make up for Soriano and Soto under performing and Ram missing almost half the year.

 

Hendry is being roasted for not standing pat. If he had not made any changes and everything happened just as it did this year (Fontenot, Soriano, and Soto sucking, Ram getting hurt) he'd be roasted for standing pat.

 

At the time it made sense. We had an extra second baseman and needed another outfielder. If you want to blame him for something, blame him for signing the wrong outfielder. (I wanted Dunn) Bradley's blow-up may have been inevitable, but Fontenot and Miles OPSing .080 and .220 below their career averages respectively was not. (And to Hendry's credit, he did trade some loose pocket change for a guy who's OPSing at .845 for the last third of the season.)