8/10 Cubs (Gorzelanny) @ Rockies (De La Rosa) 7:40CT CSN

[Schwarber Fan]

Cubs manage to lose 2 straight games 11-5!

 

nice

[Fred Hornkohl]

              CUBS    Colorado
P/PA          3.51        3.69
RBI%          0.16        0.32
R/BR          0.28        0.58
BA           0.324       0.410
OBP          0.429       0.452
SLG          0.459       0.718
OPS          0.888       1.170
ERA          11.25        5.00
BB/9          2.25        5.00
K/9           6.75       12.00

[Fred Hornkohl]

Houston        6
Florida        8  F

Cincinnati     1
St. Louis      4  F

[Guest]

This is totally the exact opposite of the Houston series at Wrigley. We just got stomped.

 

The good news: It's 4 games. We ran into a hot team playing on the road at a park where they play very very well.

The bad news: The Cardinals won all 4 of their games while we went 1-3. We now play the Phillies and if we don't snap out of this, we're in trouble because the Reds aren't going to help us, they suck. Now is time to see what this team is made of. In the previous 2 years when their backs are to the wall, they fall flat on their faces or run and hide (Florida series in '07, playoffs in '07, '08). Sure its possible for the Cubs to recover even if we don't play well, but the odds will significantly decline if we lose 2 of 3 or get swept by Philly. So while these aren't must wins, they are as close to that as you can get in August.

 

What a joke.

 

In 2007, the Cubs were 33-39, 8.5 games out of first place on June 21. They proceeded to go 19-5 over the next month and were 2.5 games out on July 20 and were never more than 3 games back the rest of the way.

 

Also in 2007, the Cubs are 73-71 and 1 game back on Sept. 11 after being in the lead or tied for the division lead for much of the last month. They proceed to go 10-2 over the next 12 games to open up a 3.5 game lead going into the final week of the season.

 

In 2008, the Cubs watch a 5.5 game lead on July 12 disappear after going 3-7 in their next 10 games and are tied with the Brewers. It's the first time the Cubs haven't had sole possession of first place in two months. They respond by beating Florida in the final game of the series then go to Milwaukee and sweep the Brewers (beating Sabathia and Sheets) and don't trail by less than 3.5 the rest of the way.

 

EDITED to fix the bolding.

Edited August 11, 2009 by soccer10k

[Fred Hornkohl]

Monday 10 August 2009

CUBS @ Colorado

19:40

 

 

                1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9              R  H  E
CUBS            0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 4              5 12  1
Colorado        2 4 0 2 0 0 1 2               11 16  0



CUBS
                     ab   r   h rbi  bb   k lob  sb  cs sac gdp   e  2b  3b  hr  sf  hb
Theriot       ss       4   1   2   0   1   1   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
Bradley       rf       4   1   1   0   1   2   1   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
D Lee         1b       3   0   0   0   2   2   3   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
Fontenot      ph       1   1   1   1   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   1   0   0   0   0
Fox           3b       5   1   2   1   0   2   3   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
Soto          c        3   1   1   2   1   1   1   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   1   1   0
Soriano       lf       4   0   1   0   0   0   4   0   0   0   0   0   1   0   0   0   0
Baker         2b       4   0   2   1   0   1   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   1
Fuld          cf       5   0   2   0   0   3   3   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
Gorzelanny    p        0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   1   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
Caridad       p        2   0   0   0   0   0   1   0   0   0   0   1   0   0   0   0   0
Marshall      p        0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
Miles         ph       1   0   0   0   0   0   3   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
Heilman       p        0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
K Hill        ph       1   0   0   0   0   0   2   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0

totals                37   5  12   5   5  12  21   0   0   1   0   1   2   0   1   1   1



Colorado
                     ab   r   h rbi  bb   k lob  sb  cs sac gdp   e  2b  3b  hr  sf  hb
Fowler        cf       5   1   1   1   0   2   2   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
Gonzalez      cf       0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
Spillborgs    lf       5   2   2   0   0   0   3   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
Helton        1b       4   2   3   0   1   0   1   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
Street        p        0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
Beimel        p        0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
Tulowitzki    ss       5   2   5   7   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   1   1   1   0   0
Hawpe         rf       5   0   1   1   0   2   5   0   0   0   0   0   1   0   0   0   0
Atkins        3b-1b    5   0   0   0   0   0   3   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
Barmes        2b       3   1   1   1   0   1   1   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   1   0   1
Torrealba     c        4   1   1   0   0   0   2   0   0   0   1   0   1   0   0   0   0
De La Rosa    p        3   1   2   0   0   1   0   0   0   0   0   0   1   0   0   0   0
Betancourt    p        0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
Quintanilla   ph-3b    0   1   0   0   1   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0

totals                39  11  16  10   2   6  17   0   0   0   1   0   4   1   2   0   1



CUBS
                 IP   H   R  ER  BB   K  HR  Pit
Gorzelanny       1.3   6   6   6   0   1   2   35
Caridad          5.3   7   3   2   1   4   0   78
Marshall         0.3   0   0   0   0   0   0   5
Heilman          1.0   3   2   2   1   1   0   37

totals           8.0  16  11  10   2   6   2  155


Colorado
                 IP   H   R  ER  BB   K  HR  Pit
De La Rosa       7.7   7   1   1   4  11   1  125
Betancourt       0.3   0   0   0   0   0   0   3
Street           0.3   4   4   4   1   0   0   17
Beimel           0.7   1   0   0   0   1   0   13

totals           9.0  12   5   5   5  12   1  158

W:De La Rosa (10-8)
S:none
L:Gorzelanny (1-1)

T:3:16
A:34,485

Home runs:
CUBS: Soto (9)
Colorado: Tulowitzki (21), Barmes (16)

[UMFan83]

This is totally the exact opposite of the Houston series at Wrigley. We just got stomped.

 

The good news: It's 4 games. We ran into a hot team playing on the road at a park where they play very very well.

The bad news: The Cardinals won all 4 of their games while we went 1-3. We now play the Phillies and if we don't snap out of this, we're in trouble because the Reds aren't going to help us, they suck. Now is time to see what this team is made of. In the previous 2 years when their backs are to the wall, they fall flat on their faces or run and hide (Florida series in '07, playoffs in '07, '08). Sure its possible for the Cubs to recover even if we don't play well, but the odds will significantly decline if we lose 2 of 3 or get swept by Philly. So while these aren't must wins, they are as close to that as you can get in August.

 

What a joke.

 

In 2007, the Cubs were 33-39, 8.5 games out of first place on June 21. They proceeded to go 19-5 over the next month and were 2.5 games out on July 20 and were never more than 3 games back the rest of the way.

 

Also in 2007, the Cubs are 73-71 and 1 game back on Sept. 11 after being in the lead or tied for the division lead for much of the last month. They proceed to go 10-2 over the next 12 games to open up a 3.5 game lead going into the final week of the season.

 

In 2008, the Cubs watch a 5.5 game lead on July 12 disappear after going 3-7 in their next 10 games and are tied with the Brewers. It's the first time the Cubs haven't had sole possession of first place in two months. They respond by beating Florida in the final game of the series then go to Milwaukee and sweep the Brewers (beating Sabathia and Sheets) and don't trail by less than 3.5 the rest of the way.

 

Your talking about April and stuff, not mid August. I will agree what I said was a little extreme though.

[manbearcub]

nope, these last two games were must wins and we lost. seasons over guys go home.

[Soul]

This is totally the exact opposite of the Houston series at Wrigley. We just got stomped.

 

The good news: It's 4 games. We ran into a hot team playing on the road at a park where they play very very well.

The bad news: The Cardinals won all 4 of their games while we went 1-3. We now play the Phillies and if we don't snap out of this, we're in trouble because the Reds aren't going to help us, they suck. Now is time to see what this team is made of. In the previous 2 years when their backs are to the wall, they fall flat on their faces or run and hide (Florida series in '07, playoffs in '07, '08). Sure its possible for the Cubs to recover even if we don't play well, but the odds will significantly decline if we lose 2 of 3 or get swept by Philly. So while these aren't must wins, they are as close to that as you can get in August.

 

What a joke.

 

In 2007, the Cubs were 33-39, 8.5 games out of first place on June 21. They proceeded to go 19-5 over the next month and were 2.5 games out on July 20 and were never more than 3 games back the rest of the way.

 

Also in 2007, the Cubs are 73-71 and 1 game back on Sept. 11 after being in the lead or tied for the division lead for much of the last month. They proceed to go 10-2 over the next 12 games to open up a 3.5 game lead going into the final week of the season.

 

In 2008, the Cubs watch a 5.5 game lead on July 12 disappear after going 3-7 in their next 10 games and are tied with the Brewers. It's the first time the Cubs haven't had sole possession of first place in two months. They respond by beating Florida in the final game of the series then go to Milwaukee and sweep the Brewers (beating Sabathia and Sheets) and don't trail by less than 3.5 the rest of the way.

 

Your talking about April and stuff, not mid August. I will agree what I said was a little extreme though.

 

Those teams weren't dealing with the injury load we are, as I remember.

 

But whatever. Obviously it's not over until its over. I think we all know that.

[Guest]

This is totally the exact opposite of the Houston series at Wrigley. We just got stomped.

 

The good news: It's 4 games. We ran into a hot team playing on the road at a park where they play very very well.

The bad news: The Cardinals won all 4 of their games while we went 1-3. We now play the Phillies and if we don't snap out of this, we're in trouble because the Reds aren't going to help us, they suck. Now is time to see what this team is made of. In the previous 2 years when their backs are to the wall, they fall flat on their faces or run and hide (Florida series in '07, playoffs in '07, '08). Sure its possible for the Cubs to recover even if we don't play well, but the odds will significantly decline if we lose 2 of 3 or get swept by Philly. So while these aren't must wins, they are as close to that as you can get in August.

 

What a joke.

 

In 2007, the Cubs were 33-39, 8.5 games out of first place on June 21. They proceeded to go 19-5 over the next month and were 2.5 games out on July 20 and were never more than 3 games back the rest of the way.

 

Also in 2007, the Cubs are 73-71 and 1 game back on Sept. 11 after being in the lead or tied for the division lead for much of the last month. They proceed to go 10-2 over the next 12 games to open up a 3.5 game lead going into the final week of the season.

 

In 2008, the Cubs watch a 5.5 game lead on July 12 disappear after going 3-7 in their next 10 games and are tied with the Brewers. It's the first time the Cubs haven't had sole possession of first place in two months. They respond by beating Florida in the final game of the series then go to Milwaukee and sweep the Brewers (beating Sabathia and Sheets) and don't trail by less than 3.5 the rest of the way.

 

Your talking about April and stuff, not mid August. I will agree what I said was a little extreme though.

 

Did you even read my post? Look at the middle example.

 

You know, the one that starts on SEPTEMBER 11.

 

Just admit you were wrong and that the Cubs have, in fact, played well at times with their backs up against the wall.

 

And your Florida 07 example is crap. The Cubs were up 3.5 games going into the final week of the season. All they basically had to do was not go 0-6 and they were going to make the playoffs. Their backs weren't up against the wall, the Brewers' were.

[UMFan83]

This is totally the exact opposite of the Houston series at Wrigley. We just got stomped.

 

The good news: It's 4 games. We ran into a hot team playing on the road at a park where they play very very well.

The bad news: The Cardinals won all 4 of their games while we went 1-3. We now play the Phillies and if we don't snap out of this, we're in trouble because the Reds aren't going to help us, they suck. Now is time to see what this team is made of. In the previous 2 years when their backs are to the wall, they fall flat on their faces or run and hide (Florida series in '07, playoffs in '07, '08). Sure its possible for the Cubs to recover even if we don't play well, but the odds will significantly decline if we lose 2 of 3 or get swept by Philly. So while these aren't must wins, they are as close to that as you can get in August.

 

What a joke.

 

In 2007, the Cubs were 33-39, 8.5 games out of first place on June 21. They proceeded to go 19-5 over the next month and were 2.5 games out on July 20 and were never more than 3 games back the rest of the way.

 

Also in 2007, the Cubs are 73-71 and 1 game back on Sept. 11 after being in the lead or tied for the division lead for much of the last month. They proceed to go 10-2 over the next 12 games to open up a 3.5 game lead going into the final week of the season.

 

In 2008, the Cubs watch a 5.5 game lead on July 12 disappear after going 3-7 in their next 10 games and are tied with the Brewers. It's the first time the Cubs haven't had sole possession of first place in two months. They respond by beating Florida in the final game of the series then go to Milwaukee and sweep the Brewers (beating Sabathia and Sheets) and don't trail by less than 3.5 the rest of the way.

 

Your talking about April and stuff, not mid August. I will agree what I said was a little extreme though.

 

Did you even read my post? Look at the middle example.

 

You know, the one that starts on SEPTEMBER 11.

 

Just admit you were wrong and that the Cubs have, in fact, played well at times with their backs up against the wall.

 

And your Florida 07 example is crap. The Cubs were up 3.5 games going into the final week of the season. All they basically had to do was not go 0-6 and they were going to make the playoffs. Their backs weren't up against the wall, the Brewers' were.

 

Calm down, it was hyperbole as 2 of your 3 examples were in May-July. They do have issues when things go wrong and the pressure is on...or else how do you explain the playoffs the last 2 years? The Florida example is exactly what I'm talking about. They just swept a series at Wrigley vs. the Pirates and were 3.5 games up in first place. They got hit in the face by Florida and suddenly everyone is talking about choking and pressure and they responded by getting swept. Good thing the Brewers were on their own freefall or they could have been in big trouble.

 

I don't think we'll see eye to eye on this so let's drop it, cause I'm very apathetic about this argument.

[Guest]

Calm down, it was hyperbole as 2 of your 3 examples were in May-July. They do have issues when things go wrong and the pressure is on...or else how do you explain the playoffs the last 2 years? The Florida example is exactly what I'm talking about. They just swept a series at Wrigley vs. the Pirates and were 3.5 games up in first place. They got hit in the face by Florida and suddenly everyone is talking about choking and pressure and they responded by getting swept. Good thing the Brewers were on their own freefall or they could have been in big trouble.

 

I don't think we'll see eye to eye on this so let's drop it, cause I'm very apathetic about this argument.

 

Do you not think that Brewers sweep propelled the Cubs to what they achieved in the last two months of 2008? Do you think the Cubs would have won the division by 8 games, or whatever it was, had they split the series? A team can have a huge series in July and August that can be just as meaningful, if not more, than a series played in September.

 

You don't have to just limit your examples to September and the postseason.

 

After getting swept by Florida in 2007, the gutless, choking Cubs should have sucked against Cincinnati, right? Instead, they came out on Friday and blanked the Reds to win the division. What a bunch of chokers.

[UMFan83]

Calm down, it was hyperbole as 2 of your 3 examples were in May-July. They do have issues when things go wrong and the pressure is on...or else how do you explain the playoffs the last 2 years? The Florida example is exactly what I'm talking about. They just swept a series at Wrigley vs. the Pirates and were 3.5 games up in first place. They got hit in the face by Florida and suddenly everyone is talking about choking and pressure and they responded by getting swept. Good thing the Brewers were on their own freefall or they could have been in big trouble.

 

I don't think we'll see eye to eye on this so let's drop it, cause I'm very apathetic about this argument.

 

Do you not think that Brewers sweep propelled the Cubs to what they achieved in the last two months of 2008? Do you think the Cubs would have won the division by 8 games, or whatever it was, had they split the series? A team can have a huge series in July and August that can be just as meaningful, if not more, than a series played in September.

 

You don't have to just limit your examples to September and the postseason.

 

I think it helped ease the pressure that their magic number kept dwindling despite being swept. Again I'm apathetic to this argument. Next we'd have to start talking about pressure and how to define it etc etc etc. I already admitted that I exaggerated my point a bit in my OP. I don't know what else you want from me or why you care so strongly about this.

 

 

 

After getting swept by Florida in 2007, the gutless, choking Cubs should have sucked against Cincinnati, right? Instead, they came out on Friday and blanked the Reds to win the division. What a bunch of chokers.

[Guest]

To quote properly? :wink:

[gflore34]

It's amazing the Rockies manage to score 11 runs on consecutive nights with a lineup of 3 legit, good hitters and pile of crap. Yet, the Cubs get 29 hits and manage only 10 runs - pathetic.

[iirishluck]

It's amazing the Rockies manage to score 11 runs on consecutive nights with a lineup of 3 legit, good hitters and pile of crap. Yet, the Cubs get 29 hits and manage only 10 runs - pathetic.

 

 

I thought baseball was an individual sport where individual stats will equal team success.

[TruffleShuffle]

nope, these last two games were must wins and we lost. seasons over guys go home.

 

agree 100%

[Sammy Sofa]

It's amazing the Rockies manage to score 11 runs on consecutive nights with a lineup of 3 legit, good hitters and pile of crap. Yet, the Cubs get 29 hits and manage only 10 runs - pathetic.

 

You'd like to see more runs with that many hits, by 5 runs per game should be plenty to win so long as the pitching doesn't [expletive] the bed. Yeah, a ton of guys were left on base but it's not like the offense was dormant. I'll happily take 5 runs a game.