Dempster has the best slider in baseball

[Ski]

link

[Gingerballs Lives]

Guzman throws his slider at 90.

 

Goodness.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

My guess is that pitch f/x is classifying too many of Guzman's cutters as sliders. Regardless though, that's a lot of movement with a lot of velocity.

[GlassCow]

link

 

I'd read the article on the link, but I'm too busy laughing at the hilarious bolded tag line "Colon absorbs another pounding."

[Old Style]

link

 

I'd read the article on the link, but I'm too busy laughing at the hilarious bolded tag line "Colon absorbs another pounding."

:rotfl:

[Little Slide Rooter]

I wonder if Guzman will ever be a starter again.

[inari]

I wonder if Guzman will ever be a starter again.

 

He won't be.

[Guest]

Jeff Passan, that name sounds familiar. Sammy's personal hitting instructor? Cubs hitting coach?

[jersey cubs fan]

Jeff Passan, that name sounds familiar. Sammy's personal hitting instructor? Cubs hitting coach?

 

Jeff Pentland?

[Guest]

Jeff Passan, that name sounds familiar. Sammy's personal hitting instructor? Cubs hitting coach?

 

Jeff Pentland?

 

Yeah, that's who I was thinking of. I'm getting senile.

[jersey cubs fan]

Jeff Passan, that name sounds familiar. Sammy's personal hitting instructor? Cubs hitting coach?

 

Jeff Pentland?

 

Yeah, that's who I was thinking of. I'm getting senile.

 

Southern California at it again.

[erik316wttn]

Jeff Passan, that name sounds familiar. Sammy's personal hitting instructor? Cubs hitting coach?

 

Jeff Pentland?

 

Yeah, that's who I was thinking of. I'm getting senile.

 

Getting? I thought you were already there. ;)

[imb]

OH HO, GOOD ONE

[Guest]

Jeff Passan, that name sounds familiar. Sammy's personal hitting instructor? Cubs hitting coach?

 

Jeff Pentland?

 

Yeah, that's who I was thinking of. I'm getting senile.

 

Getting? I thought you were already there. ;)

 

I think you're confusing me with Fred.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

I'm pretty suspicious of this data. It's fun to look at, but the whole "best slider in baseball" thing is a little overstating what we know.

 

Sequence and other pitches matter to this. For all we know, a pitcher could have a mediocre curveball that shows up as amazing on these stats, because his fastball is so awful that batters are looking to tee off on it and don't mind whiffing on the occasional curve trying to get it.

[Clem Fandango]

probably a lot of extreme flaws in this analysis, but it was a really fun read. thanks for the link

[Guest]

I'm pretty suspicious of this data. It's fun to look at, but the whole "best slider in baseball" thing is a little overstating what we know.

 

Sequence and other pitches matter to this. For all we know, a pitcher could have a mediocre curveball that shows up as amazing on these stats, because his fastball is so awful that batters are looking to tee off on it and don't mind whiffing on the occasional curve trying to get it.

 

You mean like Jarrod Washburn and Ryan Dempster?

[Hairyducked Idiot]

You mean like Jarrod Washburn and Ryan Dempster?

 

Nah, I'm pretty sure those guys are legit.

[17 Seconds]

There's a difference between "most effective slider" and "best slider". It's possible Dempster has the most effective, but he doesn't have the best.

[Prizefight]

There's a difference between "most effective slider" and "best slider". It's possible Dempster has the most effective, but he doesn't have the best.

 

Agreed. The article is a very intersting read. But I think it speaks more to a pitchers use of a particular pitch in the situation that they throw it in. The fact that Demp has the best slider doesn't mean his breaks harder or catches more corners etc but it does speak to the fact that he sets the slider up very well with how he uses his other pitches.

[JeffH]

This doesn't have anything to do with this article, but I've never seen batters look as foolish against a slider as many have against Michael Wuertz's.

[third eye]

This doesn't have anything to do with this article, but I've never seen batters look as foolish against a slider as many have against Michael Wuertz's.

 

Kerry Wood 1998?

[Clem Fandango]

Mini sized cheeseburger specialist Michael Weurtz

[Guest]

This doesn't have anything to do with this article, but I've never seen batters look as foolish against a slider as many have against Michael Wuertz's.

Randy Johnson.

[A-Cal]

i didn't know Daniel Bard has a 100mph slider until a couple of days ago

 

that's crazy!