Anyone disappointed Hendry didn't do more?

[E.J.]

Wow, Arnold Layne, badnews and wrigley23 all on the same. Talk about a perfect storm.

 

I think it's a given with the title of this thread having "disappointed" and "Hendry" in the same line.

[Sammy Sofa]

Therein lies the rub that you refuse to accept: any replacement of Hendry is at least just as likely to be comparable in his results or worse than Hendry. Most GM's year after year are just tolerable or worse.

 

Hendry is better than most GM's?

 

How in [expletive]'s sake did you determine that? I'm saying most GM's each year are tolerable at best. Hendry is one of that group of "most GM's" in that he's tolerable/average at best. His replacement is likely to also be in that group, as is whoever replaces that person, and whoever replaces that person and so on and so on. If the Cubs somehow end up with one of the very few and rare truly good GM's, fantastic, but I'm not going to think that's likely to happen.

 

Do you honestly think that any replacement of Hendry is likely to do a better job?

 

No, I think a sound and well researched hire would do a better job with a top five NL payroll every year.

 

Most GM's are "sound and well researched" hires and most of them end up being not very good at their job or only serviceable at it over the long run. I have no idea why you think the Ricketts will be different types of owners in that regard and are likely to hire a GM better than Hendry. If anything, they're likely to hire someone worse than Hendry. Like I said, I have no problem with Hendry being let go before his contract is up, but whoever replaces him is likely just going to be complained about in the same manner, just over different details.

Edited August 1, 2009 by Sammy Sofa

[Arnold Layne]

#26th:

 

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/farm-system-value-rankings-part-one/

 

 

NLC farm system values:

 

 

 

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/5/780647/nl-central-farm-system-val

 

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9266

 

The Cubs' farm system is poor, especially at the upper levels. That's because from 2003-2006 the organization had some of the worst drafts around. Taking them one at at time:

 

 

 

In all honesty, I'd love to see the reports indicating the improvment. I'd love to see the system improving.

[sneakypower]

i don't figure ROY favorite Randy Wells or Jake Fox were prominently featured on that prospect list. hmmm...

 

and whichever sophisticated sage made the dumb ass flippant remark about people writing off 100 year droughts as crapshoots, literally nobody has ever said anything to that effect. just a stupid stupid thing to say.

[Sammy Sofa]

#26th:

 

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/farm-system-value-rankings-part-one/

 

 

NLC farm system values:

 

 

 

http://www.beyondtheboxscore.com/2009/3/5/780647/nl-central-farm-system-val

 

 

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9266

 

The Cubs' farm system is poor, especially at the upper levels. That's because from 2003-2006 the organization had some of the worst drafts around. Taking them one at at time:

 

 

 

In all honesty, I'd love to see the reports indicating the improvment. I'd love to see the system improving.

 

Once again, as numerous people have pointed out, the noticeable and promising improvements to the Cubs' drafting took place in 2007 and 2008 and hopefully 2009 as well. If you insist on only looking at 2003 through 2006 you're just creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. Nobody is going to say that 2003-2006 were as a whole good draft years.

[Arnold Layne]

Once again, as numerous people have pointed out, the noticeable and promising improvements to the Cubs' drafting took place in 2007 and 2008 and hopefully 2009 as well.

 

Ahh...."hopefully", "promising". Right up there with "crapshoot" and "ahh shucks".

[Sammy Sofa]

Once again, as numerous people have pointed out, the noticeable and promising improvements to the Cubs' drafting took place in 2007 and 2008 and hopefully 2009 as well.

 

Ahh...."hopefully", "promising". Right up there with "crapshoot" and "ahh shucks".

 

Are you serious?

 

You do realize that I said that because the 2009 draft just occured, right? Are you honestly thinking teams should be able to know whether or not all or even most of their 2009 draft picks were successful or not by this point?

[Derwood]

Wow, Arnold Layne, badnews and wrigley23 all on the same. Talk about a perfect storm.

 

Self-loathing Cubs fans make for bad threads

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Hendry isn't all that bad.

 

Something to chew on...

 

This is the third straight year the Cubs enter August within a game of first place. It's the first time the team has been either in first or a game within first in three consecutive years since 1935 (second place, 1/2 game back), 1936 (first place) and '37 (first place). That's 70 plus years.

[UK1679666180]

Hendry is an ok GM, he's probably avg. overall and middle of the pack, he's been able to take advantage of a declining division since the middle of this decade (STL has regressed since '04 and Hou. has done likewise since that same time) and a large payroll to help assemble the Cubs into back to back division winners. He has flaws in how he feels the team should be built and hasn't had much success with FAs minus Lilly but he's had more good trades than bad.

 

If the Cubs could get Logan White, I'd be all for him as the new GM as I would be willing to accept the risk that he would likely bring more to the table than what Hendry has while without fully knowing that it's a given.

 

But if it meant trusting upper Cubs management to create a search for the next GM and not knowing who it would be, I would prob. rather them keep Hendry.

[dew1679666265]

In all honesty, I'd love to see the reports indicating the improvment. I'd love to see the system improving.

 

This was posted a a couple weeks ago (or so) in the minor leagues forum. Kevin Goldstein is with Baseball Prospectus. J.J. Cooper is with Baseball America.

 

Raisin (LA): Has the Cubs system improved quite a bit this season with the emeregence of guys like Cashner, Castro, Jackson and Carpenter (amongst others)?

 

Kevin Goldstein: I think so. It's interesting, in that nearly every couple of weeks I'm talking to someone who sees some Cubs guy he really likes. Add shortstop Darwin Barney to your list.

 

Corey (IL): Complete this: Vitters is currently a top ___ prospect.

 

Kevin Goldstein: 20

 

Ray (Ohio): The Cubs just advanced former Kent State RHP Chris Carpenter to AA, his 3rd stop up the ladder in 2009. If Carpenter keeps getting guys out, any chance of a September call to Chicago?

 

J.J. Cooper: I'd say that's still a longshot, but Carpenter has done as much as anyone in the Cubs organization to raise his stock (although Jake Fox may make an argument). Carpenter's a very interesting prospect. But he's also a second-year pro who threw 33 pro innings last year with a history of injuries in the past. Asking him to throw high leverage innings in September after he's already thrown 130+ minor league innings may be asking a little much.

Edited August 1, 2009 by dew

[Guest]

Sadly, Arnold Layne won't be joining this (or any other) argument any longer.

[dew1679666265]

Sadly, Arnold Layne won't be joining this (or any other) argument any longer.

 

I dug out quotes for nothing then? Bah. :D

[Guest]

Sadly, Arnold Layne won't be joining this (or any other) argument any longer.

 

I dug out quotes for nothing then? Bah. :D

 

No no, my leading question to Kevin Goldstein that you quoted makes up for the fact that I never responded to Arnie.

[dew1679666265]

Sadly, Arnold Layne won't be joining this (or any other) argument any longer.

 

I dug out quotes for nothing then? Bah. :D

 

No no, my leading question to Kevin Goldstein that you quoted makes up for the fact that I never responded to Arnie.

 

Hope you don't mind me giving the proper credit to you there. :wink:

[Sammy Sofa]

Sadly, Arnold Layne won't be joining this (or any other) argument any longer.

 

Beautiful.

[wrigley23]

TheMojoPin wrote:

Wow, Arnold Layne, badnews and wrigley23 all on the same. Talk about a perfect storm.

 

I sure hope you feel better after flexing your message board muscles. It must be nice sitting back on a keyboard singling people out like you are "all that". Being "all that" on a message board in the grand scheme of things is the equivalent of playing solitaire at the kitchen table. You are the man. If you are going to be allowed to flap your mouth on here about others than I'll flap mine back. I could say the same about the triumvirate of you, Dextermorgan & derwood. A trio of message board hero's.

[bcl412]

TheMojoPin wrote:

Wow, Arnold Layne, badnews and wrigley23 all on the same. Talk about a perfect storm.

 

I sure hope you feel better after flexing your message board muscles. It must be nice sitting back on a keyboard singling people out like you are "all that". Being "all that" on a message board in the grand scheme of things is the equivalent of playing solitaire at the kitchen table. You are the man. If you are going to be allowed to flap your mouth on here about others than I'll flap mine back. I could say the same about the triumvirate of you, Dextermorgan & derwood. A trio of message board hero's.

 

They're like a trio of NSBB Soriano's.

[Illini Iceman]

TheMojoPin wrote:

Wow, Arnold Layne, badnews and wrigley23 all on the same. Talk about a perfect storm.

 

I sure hope you feel better after flexing your message board muscles. It must be nice sitting back on a keyboard singling people out like you are "all that". Being "all that" on a message board in the grand scheme of things is the equivalent of playing solitaire at the kitchen table. You are the man. If you are going to be allowed to flap your mouth on here about others than I'll flap mine back. I could say the same about the triumvirate of you, Dextermorgan & derwood. A trio of message board hero's.

 

Wrigley23 - honestly I can't really say I see the similarity in the behavior and/or posting tendencies of those 3 people you mention.

[Sammy Sofa]

Whoa, I somehow shocked him into actually using proper grammar and coherrent sentences. Weird. Edited August 2, 2009 by Sammy Sofa

[Little Slide Rooter]

TheMojoPin wrote:

Wow, Arnold Layne, badnews and wrigley23 all on the same. Talk about a perfect storm.

 

I sure hope you feel better after flexing your message board muscles. It must be nice sitting back on a keyboard singling people out like you are "all that". Being "all that" on a message board in the grand scheme of things is the equivalent of playing solitaire at the kitchen table. You are the man. If you are going to be allowed to flap your mouth on here about others than I'll flap mine back. I could say the same about the triumvirate of you, Dextermorgan & derwood. A trio of message board hero's.

 

Wrigley23 - honestly I can't really say I see the similarity in the behavior and/or posting tendencies of those 3 people you mention.

 

I would have to agree with the iceman. these 3 are not at all alike.

[Outshined_One]

I want Tim to start a Hall of Fame Thread Forum. This one needs to be preserved in the annals of history for others to experience and enjoy.

[inari]

This thread is indeed a true winner (unlike Jim Hendry who is fat).