Anyone disappointed Hendry didn't do more?

[Old Style]

I would have liked to upgrade the middle IF (either at 2B or SS and move Riot to 2B), but I wasn't expecting that to happen so I can't say I was disappointed. If this team plays to its potential, we could all be very happy in October. But that's a big IF.

[SweetZombieJesus]

Absolutely not. Hendry recently said he expects players to be able to get through the waiver due to finanical reasons. So I don't think Hendry was worried about getting something done today. I hate the fact that there is such an early "deadline" time, but that is nitpicking. It wouldn't be shocking if the Cubs do pick up a guy like Teahen shortly in August.

 

GMs say that every year, and then every year almost nothing happens in August.

 

Really the ONLY position the Cubs need to get anything from is 2B.....

 

And SS, 1B, C, and the entire outfield.

[Sammy Sofa]

He should be fired for Aaron Miles at the very least. If not that, trading away DeRosa to the Indians for scraps, which ultimately put DeRosa on the arch division rival in one of the most embarrassing Cubs GM moves in decades. That move continues to haunt this team.

 

Those would be pretty stupid reasons to be THE reasons anyone should be fired, especially someone with a track record as varied as Hendry's. Where a player ends up after they are (initially) traded or released or not resigned is completely out of the GM's hands that decided those things. And DeRosa going to the Cardinals isn't "one of the most embarassing Cubs GM moves in decades." You'd basically have to ignore the last 60 years of Cubs history to think that and think that DeRosa is a much better player than he actually is and completely make up that he was traded for "scraps."

 

The bottom line is that you refuse to look at Hendry through anything except his bad moves. He's got plenty of those, but he's also got plenty of acceptable and good moves as well. He's not my ideal choice as a GM and I wouldn't mind if he was let go before his contract was up but he's a decidedly mixed bag at the end of the day when evaluated as a whole. You refuse to see him as that and have propped him up effectively as a cartoonish villain where anyone else in the GM role would be better than him.

[SweetZombieJesus]

He should be fired for Aaron Miles at the very least. If not that, trading away DeRosa to the Indians for scraps, which ultimately put DeRosa on the arch division rival in one of the most embarrassing Cubs GM moves in decades. That move continues to haunt this team.

 

Agreed it is the worst move in since brock. Letting Greg Maddux walk in his prime was peanuts compared to the awesome power of a 35 year old middle infielder in the final year of his deal who was coming off a career year.

[SweetZombieJesus]

You refuse to see him as that and have propped him up effectively as a cartoonish villain where anyone else in the GM role would be better than him.

 

The cubs would have a million world series titles if it wasn't for that meddlin' Jim Hendry

[Arnold Layne]

The bottom line is that you refuse to look at Hendry through anything except his bad moves. He's got plenty of those, but he's also got plenty of acceptable and good moves as well. He's not my ideal choice as a GM and I wouldn't mind if he was let go before his contract was up but he's a decidedly mixed bag at the end of the day when evaluated as a whole. You refuse to see him as that and have propped him up effectively as a cartoonish villain where anyone else in the GM role would be better than him.

 

He's a "mixed bag" with a top five NL payroll every year of his tenure. That's not acceptable. The Cubs system is openly mocked by various outlets, and he is known for one of the worst contracts in MLB.

[SweetZombieJesus]

 

He's a "mixed bag" with a top five NL payroll every year of his tenure. That's not acceptable. The Cubs system is openly mocked by various outlets, and he is known for one of the worst contracts in MLB.

 

Again Omar Minaya laughs at this along with Ned Coletti and Brian Sabean.

[Arnold Layne]

He should be fired for Aaron Miles at the very least. If not that, trading away DeRosa to the Indians for scraps, which ultimately put DeRosa on the arch division rival in one of the most embarrassing Cubs GM moves in decades. That move continues to haunt this team.

 

Agreed it is the worst move in since brock. Letting Greg Maddux walk in his prime was peanuts compared to the awesome power of a 35 year old middle infielder in the final year of his deal who was coming off a career year.

 

I'd love to see the look on your face if DeRo ends up with 25+ HR, 90+ RBI and a Division Title with the Cards while having something like $40 million less to work with than Hendry.

 

If you don't think DeRosa was bungled, you're on your third great big jug of apologist Kool-Aid.

[Sammy Sofa]

The bottom line is that you refuse to look at Hendry through anything except his bad moves. He's got plenty of those, but he's also got plenty of acceptable and good moves as well. He's not my ideal choice as a GM and I wouldn't mind if he was let go before his contract was up but he's a decidedly mixed bag at the end of the day when evaluated as a whole. You refuse to see him as that and have propped him up effectively as a cartoonish villain where anyone else in the GM role would be better than him.

 

He's a "mixed bag" with a top five NL payroll every year of his tenure. That's not acceptable. The Cubs system is openly mocked by various outlets, and he is known for one of the worst contracts in MLB.

 

You act like he's singled out left and right as one of the worst GM's. He's not. "Openly mocked?" Really? The Cubs' system has obvious flaws and a ways to go to being where it should be but to make like it's the joke of the league and people are cracking up over it left and right is ridiculous. Can you actually make your case without hyperbole, gigantic generalizations, completely glossing over huge things that don't back up your tirades or being absurdly melodramatic?

 

Plenty of GM's are known for having given out bad contracts. Therein lies the rub that you refuse to accept: any replacement of Hendry is at least just as likely to be comparable in his results or worse than Hendry. Most GM's year after year are just tolerable or worse.

 

Do you honestly think that any replacement of Hendry is likely to do a better job? Like I said, I have no problem with someone else taking over, but I'm not going to delude myself into thinking they're likely to be better.

[SweetZombieJesus]

If

He should be fired for Aaron Miles at the very least. If not that, trading away DeRosa to the Indians for scraps, which ultimately put DeRosa on the arch division rival in one of the most embarrassing Cubs GM moves in decades. That move continues to haunt this team.

 

Agreed it is the worst move in since brock. Letting Greg Maddux walk in his prime was peanuts compared to the awesome power of a 35 year old middle infielder in the final year of his deal who was coming off a career year.

 

I'd love to see the look on your face if DeRo ends up with 25+ HR, 90+ RBI and a Division Title with the Cards while having something like $40 million less to work with than Hendry.

 

If you don't think DeRosa was bungled, you're on your third great big jug of apologist Kool-Aid.

 

If you think letting Derosa go is one of the worst moves the cubs have made in decades you haven't been a cub fan for long or if you have you haven't paid much attention. It's not even one of the five worst moves of the past 10 years if you include the draft.

[dew1679666265]

If not that, trading away DeRosa to the Indians for scraps

 

I'm not sure how he got scraps for DeRosa. I didn't like the trade at the time either, but it appears he got some good young pitchers for DeRo.

 

Chris Archer, A ball: 3.04 ERA; 77 IP; 57 hits; 89:51 K:BB; 1.403 WHIP

 

John Gaub, AA ball: 2.83 ERA; 28 IP; 19 hits; 40:17 K:BB; 1.256 WHIP

AAA: 0.79 ERA; 11.1 IP; 5 hits; 8:4 K:BB; 0.794 WHIP

 

Jeff Stevens, AAA: 2.18 ERA; 41.1 IP; 25 hits; 20:10 K:BB; 1.089 WHIP

MLB: 2.84 ERA; 6 IP; 2 hits; 4:4 K:BB; 0.947 WHIP

Edited August 1, 2009 by dew

[Sammy Sofa]

He should be fired for Aaron Miles at the very least. If not that, trading away DeRosa to the Indians for scraps, which ultimately put DeRosa on the arch division rival in one of the most embarrassing Cubs GM moves in decades. That move continues to haunt this team.

 

Agreed it is the worst move in since brock. Letting Greg Maddux walk in his prime was peanuts compared to the awesome power of a 35 year old middle infielder in the final year of his deal who was coming off a career year.

 

I'd love to see the look on your face if DeRo ends up with 25+ HR, 90+ RBI and a Division Title with the Cards while having something like $40 million less to work with than Hendry.

 

If you don't think DeRosa was bungled, you're on your third great big jug of apologist Kool-Aid.

 

Nothing was "bungled" in the actual trade of DeRosa. The "bungling" was in who Hendry signed to help replace him. There were several options that likely would have offset DeRosa not being on the team, plus there's zero guarentee he would have produced as he has so far if he stayed on the Cubs. Why would he have been immune to the general offensive malaise that plagued the majority of the team for most of May and June? You keep talking about him like he's some kind of gamechanging impact player and he's not.

 

Trading a player like DeRosa with one year left and his age for what the Cubs got was a good move. Who was signed to help replace him was not. The latter does not negate the former.

[minnesotacubsfan]

He should be fired for Aaron Miles at the very least. If not that, trading away DeRosa to the Indians for scraps, which ultimately put DeRosa on the arch division rival in one of the most embarrassing Cubs GM moves in decades. That move continues to haunt this team.

 

Agreed it is the worst move in since brock. Letting Greg Maddux walk in his prime was peanuts compared to the awesome power of a 35 year old middle infielder in the final year of his deal who was coming off a career year.

 

 

seriously? this has to be a joke

[NCCubFan]

He should be fired for Aaron Miles at the very least. If not that, trading away DeRosa to the Indians for scraps, which ultimately put DeRosa on the arch division rival in one of the most embarrassing Cubs GM moves in decades. That move continues to haunt this team.

 

Agreed it is the worst move in since brock. Letting Greg Maddux walk in his prime was peanuts compared to the awesome power of a 35 year old middle infielder in the final year of his deal who was coming off a career year.

 

 

seriously? this has to be a joke

Yes, it is an obvious joke.

[Sammy Sofa]

Werd.

[shnsajax]

This whole thread is a joke, just not on the same level as P.I.E.R.R.E.

[Arnold Layne]

If you think letting Derosa go is one of the worst moves the cubs have made in decades you haven't been a cub fan for long or if you have you haven't paid much attention. It's not even one of the five worst moves of the past 10 years if you include the draft.

 

Did any of those players come back in the same season and help the arch rival win the division? Because that's what we may be looking at here.

[Arnold Layne]

You act like he's singled out left and right as one of the worst GM's. He's not. "Openly mocked?" Really?

 

Absolutely. See the sports columns talking about the Cubs system.

 

 

Plenty of GM's are known for having given out bad contracts.

 

Yes, and they get fired eventually. Hendry seems to have some church buddies in charge of his job.

 

 

Therein lies the rub that you refuse to accept: any replacement of Hendry is at least just as likely to be comparable in his results or worse than Hendry. Most GM's year after year are just tolerable or worse.

 

Hendry is better than most GM's?

 

Do you honestly think that any replacement of Hendry is likely to do a better job?

 

No, I think a sound and well researched hire would do a better job with a top five NL payroll every year.

[SweetZombieJesus]

If you think letting Derosa go is one of the worst moves the cubs have made in decades you haven't been a cub fan for long or if you have you haven't paid much attention. It's not even one of the five worst moves of the past 10 years if you include the draft.

 

Did any of those players come back in the same season and help the arch rival win the division? Because that's what we may be looking at here.

 

So it's Hendry's fault that the Indians underachieved and gave Derosa to the highest bidder? :-))

[Arnold Layne]

Ahhh..more of the Great Jim Hendry:

 

MSNBC 7/30/2009 Chicago Cubs: General manager Jim Hendry tinkered too much with a good thing last winter — foolishly giving Milton Bradley a three-year deal, and sacrificing Mark DeRosa and Jason Marquis in the process. And now he's given up two high-velocity right-handed arms in Kevin Hart and Jose Ascanio to fill a left-handed need he failed to address previously, and received only marginal talent in return — Tom Gorzelanny and John Grabow.

 

//nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/32245552/ns/sports-baseball/page/2/

[SweetZombieJesus]

Ahhh..more of the Great Jim Hendry:

 

MSNBC 7/30/2009 Chicago Cubs: General manager Jim Hendry tinkered too much with a good thing last winter — foolishly giving Milton Bradley a three-year deal, and sacrificing Mark DeRosa and Jason Marquis in the process. And now he's given up two high-velocity right-handed arms in Kevin Hart and Jose Ascanio to fill a left-handed need he failed to address previously, and received only marginal talent in return — Tom Gorzelanny and John Grabow.

 

//nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/32245552/ns/sports-baseball/page/2/

 

Was that written by Steve Stone? Gorzellanny is a marginal talent compared to Kevin Hart and Jose Ascanio? :lol:

 

Ignore the fact Grabow was probably more than anything a need more than a want.

 

sidenote, LOL at that article. The White Sox were losers? Getting Peavy without giving up Beckham, Ramirez, Flowers or Viciedo that's a bad move? :lol:

[Outshined_One]

Ahhh..more of the Great Jim Hendry:

 

MSNBC 7/30/2009 Chicago Cubs: General manager Jim Hendry tinkered too much with a good thing last winter — foolishly giving Milton Bradley a three-year deal, and sacrificing Mark DeRosa and Jason Marquis in the process. And now he's given up two high-velocity right-handed arms in Kevin Hart and Jose Ascanio to fill a left-handed need he failed to address previously, and received only marginal talent in return — Tom Gorzelanny and John Grabow.

 

//nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/32245552/ns/sports-baseball/page/2/

 

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His mustache tells me he's trustworthy.

 

Also, LOL:

 

Philadelphia Phillies: You can argue that Cliff Lee isn't Roy Halladay. But the deal is win-win in this regard: They got the reigning AL Cy Young Award winner, who despite a losing record is pitching well of late, and will get the benefit of changing leagues. And the Phils didn't give up any of the top young players the Blue Jays were seeking in a Halladay package — J.A. Happ, Kyle Drabek and Dominick Brown. So Happ stays in the rotation, which with the addition of Lee, becomes four left-handers (Cole Hamels and Jamie Moyer being the others) and Joe Blanton. Throw in the left-handed-laden lineup, and there is no more left-handed team in the majors. That will create tough playoff-series matchups for the other two top NL pennant contenders — the Dodgers and Cardinals — whose rotations are predominantly right-handed.

[dew1679666265]

Ahhh..more of the Great Jim Hendry:

 

MSNBC 7/30/2009 Chicago Cubs: General manager Jim Hendry tinkered too much with a good thing last winter — foolishly giving Milton Bradley a three-year deal, and sacrificing Mark DeRosa and Jason Marquis in the process. And now he's given up two high-velocity right-handed arms in Kevin Hart and Jose Ascanio to fill a left-handed need he failed to address previously, and received only marginal talent in return — Tom Gorzelanny and John Grabow.

 

//nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/32245552/ns/sports-baseball/page/2/

 

Gorzelanny has a significantly higher upside than Hart. Ascanio will likely be better than Grabow in the long term, but Grabow will probably help us more this year.

 

As for giving up Marquis - his replacement in the rotation, Randy Wells, has better numbers than Marquis this season.

 

Marquis: 3.47 ERA; 64:41 K:BB; 1.267 WHIP

Wells: 2.84 ERA; 60:21 K:BB; 1.147 WHIP

[Outshined_One]

In retrospect, moving Marquis was not a good move. However, considering he was mediocre at best while with this team and horribly overpaid, it was a great deal at the time.

[Vanilla Ice]

I remember not being ecstatic about the Marquis trade, but that is just me.