Sammy to formally retire soon

[A-Cal]

Dude... it's obvious.

 

I like Sammy as much as the next guy and hate him for bailing on us... but the fact is... just look at it...

 

Don't act surprised when his name comes up in the next few years.

 

I don't care if his name does come up.

 

Bonds should be in the HOF. So should Clemens and McGwire and Sosa. We need to stop acting like sniveling children in denial and treating this game like it's some kind of pure institution that was tainted by steroids in the 90's and early 00's.

 

sniveling children in denial?

 

no, i prefer to look at it as men that have let many hearts down

 

men that have spit in the face of fair competition

 

men that were already endowed with gifts that were beyond greedy

 

or better yet...put them in the hall...a special corner spot called "PEDS"...i could live with that

 

Why don't all the other "cheaters" get set aside? All the ridiculous little reasons you just listed apply to anyone who has ever bent or broken the rules over the game's history. Why only set steroids apart?

 

you're joking right?

 

no, i know you aren't...we have a different take on the situation, that is all

[Bobson Dugnutt]

Sammy was never a team player and never will be. i say good riddance to this worhtless CHEAT (and thats what he is, a dirty cheat) and hope that he goes away and never comes back. HALL OF FAME? you have to be kiddin me. Sammy will reside in the hall of SHAME for the sins he committed against the great game of baseball.

 

Sammy never one anything, and theres a good reason for that. whayt other "GREAT" hall of fame player was so worthless in crunchtime (when true stars shine) that his team could never even make it to the world series.

 

 

CRUNCHTIME!

[snoodmonger]

Dude... it's obvious.

 

I like Sammy as much as the next guy and hate him for bailing on us... but the fact is... just look at it...

 

Don't act surprised when his name comes up in the next few years.

 

I don't care if his name does come up.

 

Bonds should be in the HOF. So should Clemens and McGwire and Sosa. We need to stop acting like sniveling children in denial and treating this game like it's some kind of pure institution that was tainted by steroids in the 90's and early 00's.

 

sniveling children in denial?

 

no, i prefer to look at it as men that have let many hearts down

 

men that have spit in the face of fair competition

 

men that were already endowed with gifts that were beyond greedy

 

or better yet...put them in the hall...a special corner spot called "PEDS"...i could live with that

 

The HoF is already littered with racists, drug addicts, and cheaters. Get over it.

[A-Cal]

Dude... it's obvious.

 

I like Sammy as much as the next guy and hate him for bailing on us... but the fact is... just look at it...

 

Don't act surprised when his name comes up in the next few years.

 

I don't care if his name does come up.

 

Bonds should be in the HOF. So should Clemens and McGwire and Sosa. We need to stop acting like sniveling children in denial and treating this game like it's some kind of pure institution that was tainted by steroids in the 90's and early 00's.

 

sniveling children in denial?

 

no, i prefer to look at it as men that have let many hearts down

 

men that have spit in the face of fair competition

 

men that were already endowed with gifts that were beyond greedy

 

or better yet...put them in the hall...a special corner spot called "PEDS"...i could live with that

 

The HoF is already littered with racists, drug addicts, and cheaters. Get over it.

 

who are the drug addicts?

[dew1679666265]

you're joking right?

 

no, i know you aren't...we have a different take on the situation, that is all

 

So what is the difference between each type of cheating?

[Sammys Boombox]

If the entire list of 103 does come out and Sosa is not on it, I would have to say that no HOF voter would have a reason to leave him off the ballot. As it is now he should get in.

 

We all know these sluggers have been using their designer steroids for years. Just because a guy didn't test positive means he didn't do steroids?? Burn the witch.

 

I didn't say he didn't use them. I was just pointing out that if he did pass the test in 2003 that there is just one more reason to think he didn't use them. I never said it proved he didn't use them. I was just pointing out that a voter leaving Sosa off because he "used steroids" would have to do so on pure speculation and NO evidence.

[Sammys Boombox]

I would think that if Sosa's name was included in the list of 103 (or Bonds or any other major star), that we would have heard that by now.

 

Why? There are 102 more players on that list that haven't had their names come out. I'm sure there will be other 'stars' on that list.

 

Sosa, Bonds, and McGwire were the main focus that started it all, so surely their names would be released.

 

Exactly. Especially considering Bonds being on that list could be used as evidence in his legal troubles.

[snoodmonger]

Dude... it's obvious.

 

I like Sammy as much as the next guy and hate him for bailing on us... but the fact is... just look at it...

 

Don't act surprised when his name comes up in the next few years.

 

I don't care if his name does come up.

 

Bonds should be in the HOF. So should Clemens and McGwire and Sosa. We need to stop acting like sniveling children in denial and treating this game like it's some kind of pure institution that was tainted by steroids in the 90's and early 00's.

 

sniveling children in denial?

 

no, i prefer to look at it as men that have let many hearts down

 

men that have spit in the face of fair competition

 

men that were already endowed with gifts that were beyond greedy

 

or better yet...put them in the hall...a special corner spot called "PEDS"...i could live with that

 

The HoF is already littered with racists, drug addicts, and cheaters. Get over it.

 

who are the drug addicts?

 

While I'm sure there are a few addicts in the HoF (didn't fergie do coke?), I should have said users. Mike Schmidt, Willie Mays, Willie Stargell, and Ralph Kiner all took greenies with the assumption it would improve their performance. I'm sure plenty more HOFers did, too.

[SouthSideRyan]

who are the drug addicts?

 

While I'm sure there are a few addicts in the HoF (didn't fergie do coke?), I should have said users. Mike Schmidt, Willie Mays, Willie Stargell, and Ralph Kiner all took greenies with the assumption it would improve their performance. I'm sure plenty more HOFers did, too.

 

Hank Aaron.

[A-Cal]

who are the drug addicts?

 

While I'm sure there are a few addicts in the HoF (didn't fergie do coke?), I should have said users. Mike Schmidt, Willie Mays, Willie Stargell, and Ralph Kiner all took greenies with the assumption it would improve their performance. I'm sure plenty more HOFers did, too.

 

Hank Aaron.

 

steroids and growth hormone are more of an athletic aid than greenies

[A-Cal]

you're joking right?

 

no, i know you aren't...we have a different take on the situation, that is all

 

So what is the difference between each type of cheating?

 

when you are apart of an era of players who are demolishing records and pretty much make up almost all of the core of "superstar" talent, i think that makes a huge difference over the cheating in the past...

[SouthSideRyan]

who are the drug addicts?

 

While I'm sure there are a few addicts in the HoF (didn't fergie do coke?), I should have said users. Mike Schmidt, Willie Mays, Willie Stargell, and Ralph Kiner all took greenies with the assumption it would improve their performance. I'm sure plenty more HOFers did, too.

 

Hank Aaron.

 

steroids and growth hormone are more of an athletic aid than greenies

 

Thanks doc.

[A-Cal]

who are the drug addicts?

 

While I'm sure there are a few addicts in the HoF (didn't fergie do coke?), I should have said users. Mike Schmidt, Willie Mays, Willie Stargell, and Ralph Kiner all took greenies with the assumption it would improve their performance. I'm sure plenty more HOFers did, too.

 

Hank Aaron.

 

steroids and growth hormone are more of an athletic aid than greenies

 

Thanks doc.

 

no, thank you for adding to the discussion

[Sammy Sofa]

you're joking right?

 

no, i know you aren't...we have a different take on the situation, that is all

 

So what is the difference between each type of cheating?

 

when you are apart of an era of players who are demolishing records and pretty much make up almost all of the core of "superstar" talent, i think that makes a huge difference over the cheating in the past...

 

So you're fine with cheating to a point.

 

What's the exact cutoff point?

[Sammy Sofa]

Sammy was never a team player and never will be. i say good riddance to this worhtless CHEAT (and thats what he is, a dirty cheat) and hope that he goes away and never comes back. HALL OF FAME? you have to be kiddin me. Sammy will reside in the hall of SHAME for the sins he committed against the great game of baseball.

 

Sammy never one anything, and theres a good reason for that. whayt other "GREAT" hall of fame player was so worthless in crunchtime (when true stars shine) that his team could never even make it to the world series.

 

 

CRUNCHTIME!

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=sosasa01&year=Career&t=b#clutc

[SouthSideRyan]

you're joking right?

 

no, i know you aren't...we have a different take on the situation, that is all

 

So what is the difference between each type of cheating?

 

when you are apart of an era of players who are demolishing records and pretty much make up almost all of the core of "superstar" talent, i think that makes a huge difference over the cheating in the past...

 

So you're fine with cheating to a point.

 

What's the exact cutoff point?

 

Apparently 1989.

[hossdriver]

So far, there really isn't any PROOF regarding Mark McGwire either...

 

Tom House has said that the entire Atlanta Braves clubhouse used 'anything they could get their hands on' back in the early 70's. Ballplayers have been one step ahead of the rules since the creation of the game. If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin...

 

Obviously it becomes a MORAL issue when there is no legislation or enforcement involved. Every Major League player makes enough money to buy enhancements. Hell, you could buy the same Andro that McGwire was using in 1998, at the corner GNC, in a 100 count bottle for 49.95.

[Sammy Sofa]

So far, there really isn't any PROOF regarding Mark McGwire either...

 

Tom House has said that the entire Atlanta Braves clubhouse used 'anything they could get their hands on' back in the early 70's. Ballplayers have been one step ahead of the rules since the creation of the game. If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin...

 

Indeed.

 

http://maxwellmusze.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/birm-hank.jpg

 

Hitting the most home runs in a single season over his entire career...at age 37.

 

I'll bet it was all just gumption and bellyfire.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

whayt other "GREAT" hall of fame player was so worthless in crunchtime (when true stars shine) that his team could never even make it to the world series.

 

Uh...Ernie Banks never made it to a World Series. Also when his team needed him most in Sept of '69, he hit 208 /245/333. I guess by that criteria, Banks shouldn't be in the hall either since he was worthless in crunch time and his team never made it to the World Series.

 

I guess we need to remove Sandberg, Billy Williams, and Fergie Jenkins from the HOF too. And all the groundswell for Santo needs to stop as well. They couldn't get their teams to World Series either.

 

When I get the time, I look for other HOFers who never made the World Series so we can purge the Hall of those worhtless guys too. Maybe we can replace them with the Mark Lemkes and David Ecksteins of the world.

[Sammy Sofa]

whayt other "GREAT" hall of fame player was so worthless in crunchtime (when true stars shine) that his team could never even make it to the world series.

 

Uh...Ernie Banks never made it to a World Series. Also when his team needed him most in Sept of '69, he hit 208 /245/333. I guess by that criteria, Banks shouldn't be in the hall either since he was worthless in crunch time and his team never made it to the World Series.

 

I guess we need to remove Sandberg, Billy Williams, and Fergie Jenkins from the HOF too. And all the groundswell for Santo needs to stop as well. They couldn't get their teams to World Series either.

 

When I get the time, I look for other HOFers who never made the World Series so we can purge the Hall of those worhtless guys too. Maybe we can replace them with the Mark Lemkes and David Ecksteins of the world.

 

Besides, Sammy's "clutch" numbers are pretty good.

[Guest]

So far, there really isn't any PROOF regarding Mark McGwire either...

 

Tom House has said that the entire Atlanta Braves clubhouse used 'anything they could get their hands on' back in the early 70's. Ballplayers have been one step ahead of the rules since the creation of the game. If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin...

 

Obviously it becomes a MORAL issue when there is no legislation or enforcement involved. Every Major League player makes enough money to buy enhancements. Hell, you could buy the same Andro that McGwire was using in 1998, at the corner GNC, in a 100 count bottle for 49.95.

Unless you don't include eyewitnesses that include his freaking brother and Jason Giambi, there is no proof.

 

But if one doesn't include those two, he or she is a moran.

[kjfoster 1553]

Maybe we can replace them with the Mark Lemkes and David Ecksteins of the world.

 

I'll start the campaign right now...

 

DAVID ECKSTEIN FOR THE HALL

[A-Cal]

you're joking right?

 

no, i know you aren't...we have a different take on the situation, that is all

 

So what is the difference between each type of cheating?

 

when you are apart of an era of players who are demolishing records and pretty much make up almost all of the core of "superstar" talent, i think that makes a huge difference over the cheating in the past...

 

So you're fine with cheating to a point.

 

What's the exact cutoff point?

 

fine with cheating to a point eh?

 

interestingly enough, i don't remember typing those words

[soapy]

So you're fine with cheating to a point.

 

What's the exact cutoff point?

 

fine with cheating to a point eh?

 

interestingly enough, i don't remember typing those words

 

 

steroids and growth hormone are more of an athletic aid than greenies

[kjfoster 1553]

you're joking right?

 

no, i know you aren't...we have a different take on the situation, that is all

 

So what is the difference between each type of cheating?

 

when you are apart of an era of players who are demolishing records and pretty much make up almost all of the core of "superstar" talent, i think that makes a huge difference over the cheating in the past...

 

So you're fine with cheating to a point.

 

What's the exact cutoff point?

 

fine with cheating to a point eh?

 

interestingly enough, i don't remember typing those words

 

But you did separate cheating in the past from cheating today.