Hendry defends Derosa trade

[dew1679666265]

How can you be more productive with 250 or so less AB a year?

 

He's actually averaged around 340 plate appearances a year in his career. His injuries and time missed is the biggest argument against him being more productive than Dunn, but Dunn's defense hurts him very badly.

 

Injuries, time off and the fact that he was most productive as a DH, not a regular RF. Because he's clearly not a good fielder anyway and there's no way it provides any significant advantage over Dunn in the debate.

 

I agree that Dunn is better and should have been the choice, but the argument was made pretty well in the offseason that Bradley could be better. Again, I didn't agree with it but that doesn't make it a poor argument.

[jersey cubs fan]

I agree that Dunn is better and should have been the choice, but the argument was made pretty well in the offseason that Bradley could be better. Again, I didn't agree with it but that doesn't make it a poor argument.

 

Yes, an argument was made that he could be. But Bradley was always going to be a boom or bust situation as well. But Hendry has to be held responsible when his decisions fail. He gets extensions for back to back winning seasons. If this year's team doesn't make the playoffs, or possibly even finish below .500, the new owner is going to have great incentive to can him.

 

 

 

CNBC reporting possible snag in Ricketts deal.

[dew1679666265]

I agree that Dunn is better and should have been the choice, but the argument was made pretty well in the offseason that Bradley could be better. Again, I didn't agree with it but that doesn't make it a poor argument.

 

Yes, an argument was made that he could be. But Bradley was always going to be a boom or bust situation as well. But Hendry has to be held responsible when his decisions fail. He gets extensions for back to back winning seasons. If this year's team doesn't make the playoffs, or possibly even finish below .500, the new owner is going to have great incentive to can him.

 

I pretty much agree with this.

 

CNBC reporting possible snag in Ricketts deal.

 

Oh great, what reason are they giving?

[jersey cubs fan]

CNBC reporting possible snag in Ricketts deal.

 

Oh great' date=' what reason are they giving?[/quote']

 

Tax issues, final purchase price (Ricketts trying to negotiate down). I didn't see if they mentioned anything about broadcasting rights.

[dew1679666265]

CNBC reporting possible snag in Ricketts deal.

 

Oh great' date=' what reason are they giving?[/quote']

 

Tax issues, final purchase price (Ricketts trying to negotiate down). I didn't see if they mentioned anything about broadcasting rights.

 

Wow, this sale truly may never end....

[Arnold Layne]

How do you create the worst outfield in 2009 MLB with $40 million?

[SouthSideRyan]

How do you create the worst outfield in 2009 MLB with $40 million?

 

I dunno, by giving Jeff Francouer a 33M bonus at the end of the year?

[Arnold Layne]

So the Braves have their entire starting outfield locked in for an average of the next 3 years?

[Irrelevant Dude]

How do you create the worst outfield in 2009 MLB with $40 million?

I'm not sure whether they are the worst outfield statistically, but they have to be close. Hendry has been taking us down this road for a few years now with bad, backloaded contracts. I thought he would at least get another couple years of good teams before those contracts started to backfire, but it appears to be happening much sooner. The worst part is the team will still be paying for Hendry's mistakes long after he is gone. At this point, I almost don't want him to be given any more money to work with, because there is a good chance it will only put the team in a deeper hole.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

How do you create the worst outfield in 2009 MLB with $40 million?

 

Give lots of large, backloaded contracts to 28+ outfielders, then wait a couple of years.

[TruffleShuffle]

So the Braves have their entire starting outfield locked in for an average of the next 3 years?

 

oh i thought you were talking about the worst outfield in baseball, not the worst outfield in baseball per dollar. mostly because that's what you were talking about.

[Arnold Layne]

So the Braves have their entire starting outfield locked in for an average of the next 3 years?

 

oh i thought you were talking about the worst outfield in baseball, not the worst outfield in baseball per dollar.

 

What's the difference? A cheap outfield is not the worst because you aren't locked into bad contracts with bad performance. Those players can be jettisoned.

[TruffleShuffle]

So the Braves have their entire starting outfield locked in for an average of the next 3 years?

 

oh i thought you were talking about the worst outfield in baseball, not the worst outfield in baseball per dollar.

 

What's the difference? A cheap outfield is not the worst because you aren't locked into bad contracts with bad performance. Those players can be jettisoned.

 

well then it's not surprising that you create the worst outfield in baseball for $40 million, because all you need is a couple of guys to underperform. in fact, low-payroll teams are basically assured of not having the worst outfield in baseball by your standard, so you're probably confining the number of teams that could possibly have the worst outfield in baseball to about 10 with high payrolls. at least a coupe of them is bound to make some bad commitments and be named arnold layne's Worst Outfield in Baseball.

[Cubbie Swagger]

I think the only reason we didn't sign Adam Dunn was defense. If our starting outfield consisted of Soriano (who is laughable on defense), Dunn (who is below average in left, and would have been playing out of position in right), and Fukudome (who is decent, but still out of position in center)... that would be easily the worst defensive outfield in baseball... regardless of money.

[dew1679666265]

I think the only reason we didn't sign Adam Dunn was defense. If our starting outfield consisted of Soriano (who is laughable on defense), Dunn (who is below average in left, and would have been playing out of position in right), and Fukudome (who is decent, but still out of position in center)... that would be easily the worst defensive outfield in baseball... regardless of money.

 

Soriano's really not bad at all in the outfield. He's probably average to above average.

 

I tend to agree that defense is a large reason why Hendry didn't pursue Dunn, though.

[apete6]

I think the only reason we didn't sign Adam Dunn was defense. If our starting outfield consisted of Soriano (who is laughable on defense), Dunn (who is below average in left, and would have been playing out of position in right), and Fukudome (who is decent, but still out of position in center)... that would be easily the worst defensive outfield in baseball... regardless of money.

 

Soriano's really not bad at all in the outfield. He's probably average to above average.

 

I tend to agree that defense is a large reason why Hendry didn't pursue Dunn, though.

 

Because Milton has been SO awesome this year. Hendry screwed the pooch this offseason, plain and simple. Mark DeRosa and Adam Dunn are better at baseball than Aaron Miles and Milton Bradley. He could have fit both of them in the budget, but decided to spend money on the two replacements and Kevin Gregg instead. Thanks for nothing, Jim.

[Monco]

 

Soriano's really not bad at all in the outfield. He's probably average to above average.

 

I'd say below average. He doesn't seem to read the ball of the bat well and his effort is questionable.He has played way too many singles into doubles and triples.

[Irrelevant Dude]

 

Soriano's really not bad at all in the outfield. He's probably average to above average.

 

I'd say below average. He doesn't seem to read the ball of the bat well and his effort is questionable.He has played way too many singles into doubles and triples.

Soriano looks like an above average outfielder on paper, but if you actually watch the games and see the balls that he misplays, I would say he is below average at best. Most of the time his misplays don't result in errors, because he misjudges the ball too badly to get into position to catch it.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

Soriano's really not bad at all in the outfield. He's probably average to above average.

 

I'd say below average. He doesn't seem to read the ball of the bat well and his effort is questionable.He has played way too many singles into doubles and triples.

Soriano looks like an above average outfielder on paper, but if you actually watch the games and see the balls that he misplays, I would say he is below average at best. Most of the time his misplays don't result in errors, because he misjudges the ball too badly to get into position to catch it.

 

Soriano looks like a below average defender on the surface because he makes a lot of really stupid errors. In fact he's pretty decent out there cause he's got good range and a great arm.

[Arnold Layne]

So the Braves have their entire starting outfield locked in for an average of the next 3 years?

 

oh i thought you were talking about the worst outfield in baseball, not the worst outfield in baseball per dollar.

 

What's the difference? A cheap outfield is not the worst because you aren't locked into bad contracts with bad performance. Those players can be jettisoned.

 

well then it's not surprising that you create the worst outfield in baseball for $40 million, because all you need is a couple of guys to underperform. in fact, low-payroll teams are basically assured of not having the worst outfield in baseball by your standard, so you're probably confining the number of teams that could possibly have the worst outfield in baseball to about 10 with high payrolls. at least a coupe of them is bound to make some bad commitments and be named arnold layne's Worst Outfield in Baseball.

 

 

Ok, so you would prefer a bad outfield that you can't escape from versus a bad outfield that you could change within a year?

[TruffleShuffle]

no, but since you're considering production per dollar, you're pretty much guaranteeing that a team like the cubs or yankees or red sox (whoever f***s up the worst) is going to have the worst outfield in baseball. the cubs are part of a small group of teams that could qualify for your definition of worst outfield.

[Monco]

 

Soriano's really not bad at all in the outfield. He's probably average to above average.

 

I'd say below average. He doesn't seem to read the ball of the bat well and his effort is questionable.He has played way too many singles into doubles and triples.

Soriano looks like an above average outfielder on paper, but if you actually watch the games and see the balls that he misplays, I would say he is below average at best. Most of the time his misplays don't result in errors, because he misjudges the ball too badly to get into position to catch it.

 

Soriano looks like a below average defender on the surface because he makes a lot of really stupid errors. In fact he's pretty decent out there cause he's got good range and a great arm.

 

I think his range is poor because he doesn't get a good jump on the ball.

[Arnold Layne]

no, but since you're considering production per dollar, you're pretty much guaranteeing that a team like the cubs or yankees or red sox (whoever f***s up the worst) is going to have the worst outfield in baseball. the cubs are part of a small group of teams that could qualify for your definition of worst outfield.

 

So the largest payrolls in MLB get a pass when it comes to a bad outfield because they can afford to pay more?

 

Clearly the Cubs have a very bad outfield regardless of the contracts. Those are just the anti-freeze icing on a very pungent slice of crap cake.

[Guest]

no, but since you're considering production per dollar, you're pretty much guaranteeing that a team like the cubs or yankees or red sox (whoever f***s up the worst) is going to have the worst outfield in baseball. the cubs are part of a small group of teams that could qualify for your definition of worst outfield.

 

So the largest payrolls in MLB get a pass when it comes to a bad outfield because they can afford to pay more?

 

Clearly the Cubs have a very bad outfield regardless of the contracts. Those are just the anti-freeze icing on a very pungent slice of crap cake.

 

Your criteria is cloudy as far as which team has the worst outfield.

 

I you ignore contracts, then it's simply which team has the worst overall production, so you go by OPS, VORP, EqA, etc - whatever stat you want.

 

If you count contracts, then you're measuring production against cost, in which case the teams that pay their outfield the most money are going to have the worst outfields. This excludes teams like the A's, Nationals, Pirates, Padres and Marlins (bottom 5 in payroll according to Cot's) because they don't pay their players much - i.e., if you don't pay your outfield much, then your production relative to the cost isn't bad because you're not spending money. Teams like the Yankees, Mets, Tigers, Cubs and Phillies (top 5 in payroll) are going to be most likely to have the worst outfield relative to money because they're likely to be paying their outfield the most money.

 

It's not that the largest payrolls necessarily get a pass, you just need to explain what things you consider when evaluating which team has the worst outfield.

[ScrubMD]

Man, I can't imagine a GM having a much worse offseason than Hendry had. Everything he did was just terrible.