Blackhawks Offseason Thread

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Dear Cynosure,

 

Your avatar makes me sad.

[Prizefight]

http://www.secondcityhockey.com/

 

The title story when you first open the page mentions that the Hawks resigned Eager/Brouwer/Fraser..no word yet on Versteeg;( or Cam Barker.

 

So looks like the NHL is not going to take any actions.

[Cynosure]

Dear Cynosure,

 

Your avatar makes me sad.

 

It makes me extremely happy... Madden is an awesome addition.

[RedFlash]

Personally, I think this is much ado about nothing. Tallon wasn't trying to screw players, and it is clearly wasn't malicious. This was a honest to god mistake by the organization, and I believe NHL isn't going to severely punish the Hawks for a clerical mistake.

 

They've busted others for clerical mistakes. The NFL busted the Bears on a clerical mistake. It's a simple procedure that everybody gets right most of the time. Why did these idiots send this in normal mail? Is that where they are cutting costs?

 

Consider the fact that the NHL finished their investigation without punishment bodes well for the Hawks. I think the NHLPA will drop the issue if Versteeg and/or Barker are signed to nice deals (not market setting deal, but a deal with a significant bump in pay) or dealt to team(s) who can give the two players nice contracts.

[Cynosure]

Hawks sign Johnson/Fraser/Eager/Brouwer/Crawford.

 

Versteeg and Barker going to an arbitrator.

[manbearcub]

cam barker 3/9.25

[Cynosure]

This better be a sign and trade...

[Cynosure]

Oh yea... Barker now makes only 400K less than Seabrook...

[kujay]

I could part with Versteeg, but Barker would hurt. We'll see. Guess the Hawks aren't 100% confident in their position on this.

 

P.S. I can't wait for hockey season to start.

[Cynosure]

I could part with Versteeg, but Barker would hurt. We'll see. Guess the Hawks aren't 100% confident in their position on this.

 

P.S. I can't wait for hockey season to start.

 

But Barker for over 3m? Shouldn't have gotten a nickel over 2.5.

[RedFlash]

I could part with Versteeg, but Barker would hurt. We'll see. Guess the Hawks aren't 100% confident in their position on this.

 

P.S. I can't wait for hockey season to start.

 

But Barker for over 3m? Shouldn't have gotten a nickel over 2.5.

 

I wonder if the Hawks did this to appease the NHLPA?

[Cynosure]

Versteeg likely a goner?

 

You're probably looking at at least $4M if you want to take him away with an offersheet. Hawks would likely match anything less. In terms of a regular trade, the Hawks would probably have their eye on young talent that is about one year away from having an impact in the NHL (then again, who isn't)

[RedFlash]

Versteeg likely a goner?

 

You're probably looking at at least $4M if you want to take him away with an offersheet. Hawks would likely match anything less. In terms of a regular trade, the Hawks would probably have their eye on young talent that is about one year away from having an impact in the NHL (then again, who isn't)

 

I like Versteeg, but he is not a $4 million dollar player right now. He's more of a $1.5-$2 mill player. If some team wants to offer $4 mill for him, then....bye-bye Kris.

[Soul]

Versteeg likely a goner?

 

You're probably looking at at least $4M if you want to take him away with an offersheet. Hawks would likely match anything less. In terms of a regular trade, the Hawks would probably have their eye on young talent that is about one year away from having an impact in the NHL (then again, who isn't)

 

I like Versteeg, but he is not a $4 million dollar player right now. He's more of a $1.5-$2 mill player. If some team wants to offer $4 mill for him, then....bye-bye Kris.

 

It would suck, but I don't think it's the end of the world if we lose Versteeg. Good young player, but if that's the worst we suffer, we should still be a very good hockey team.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Very, very glad we resigned Barker.

[jersey cubs fan]

Very, very glad we resigned Barker.

 

Why? To that contract? Way overpriced. This starts to negate the positives of how favorable Hossa's deal is. Freaking morons. Knowing how tight the cap situation was going to become, how the heck do you put yourself in this position?

[jersey cubs fan]

Versteeg likely a goner?

 

You're probably looking at at least $4M if you want to take him away with an offersheet. Hawks would likely match anything less. In terms of a regular trade, the Hawks would probably have their eye on young talent that is about one year away from having an impact in the NHL (then again, who isn't)

 

I like Versteeg, but he is not a $4 million dollar player right now. He's more of a $1.5-$2 mill player. If some team wants to offer $4 mill for him, then....bye-bye Kris.

 

It would suck, but I don't think it's the end of the world if we lose Versteeg. Good young player, but if that's the worst we suffer, we should still be a very good hockey team.

 

The fact that it's not the end of the world is meaningless. If they are going to lose him it's going to be strictly based on managerial incompotence, not because "thems the breaks and another team wanted to pay more." This would be a huge blow. Losing good young talent for absolutely nothing isn't something you just shrug off.

[Drew Doughty]

if a team offered 4m for versteeg the blackhawks would get a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick in return. that's a great return for someone who i'm guessing would struggle to net a first rounder in a trade straight up.

[jersey cubs fan]

if a team offered 4m for versteeg the blackhawks would get a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick in return. that's a great return for someone who i'm guessing would struggle to net a first rounder in a trade straight up.

 

So unrestricted free agents net compensation when signed?

[Cynosure]

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=34760

 

GROUP 2 - SUBJECT TO COMPENSATION AND RIGHT TO MATCH

These players have been tendered a qualifying offer by their respective Clubs and are subject to draft-choice compensation and right to match. The draft choice compensation scale is based on compensation offered by the new Club:

OFFER                                    COMPENSATION

Over $1,506,716 to $3,013,434 	Second-round choice
Over $3,013,434 to $4,520,150 	First-round and third-round choice
*****Over $4,520,150 to $6,026,867 	First-round, second-round and third-round choice*****
Over $6,026,867 to $7,533,584 	Two first-round choices, one second- and one third-round choice
Over $7,533,584 	Four first-round choices

 

Versteeg qualifies as a group 2 free agent.

Edited July 7, 2009 by Cynosure

[Soul]

Versteeg likely a goner?

 

You're probably looking at at least $4M if you want to take him away with an offersheet. Hawks would likely match anything less. In terms of a regular trade, the Hawks would probably have their eye on young talent that is about one year away from having an impact in the NHL (then again, who isn't)

 

I like Versteeg, but he is not a $4 million dollar player right now. He's more of a $1.5-$2 mill player. If some team wants to offer $4 mill for him, then....bye-bye Kris.

 

It would suck, but I don't think it's the end of the world if we lose Versteeg. Good young player, but if that's the worst we suffer, we should still be a very good hockey team.

 

The fact that it's not the end of the world is meaningless. If they are going to lose him it's going to be strictly based on managerial incompotence, not because "thems the breaks and another team wanted to pay more." This would be a huge blow. Losing good young talent for absolutely nothing isn't something you just shrug off.

 

Just trying to see anything positive in what is obviously not a good situation.

[Soul]

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=34760

 

GROUP 2 - SUBJECT TO COMPENSATION AND RIGHT TO MATCH

These players have been tendered a qualifying offer by their respective Clubs and are subject to draft-choice compensation and right to match. The draft choice compensation scale is based on compensation offered by the new Club:

OFFER
COMPENSATION
$994,433 or below 	None
Over $994,433 to $1,506,716
Third-round choice
Over $1,506,716 to $3,013,434 	Second-round choice
Over $3,013,434 to $4,520,150 	First-round and third-round choice
[b]Over $4,520,150 to $6,026,867 	First-round, second-round and third-round choice[/b]
Over $6,026,867 to $7,533,584 	Two first-round choices, one second- and one third-round choice
Over $7,533,584 	Four first-round choices

 

Versteeg qualifies as a group 2 free agent.

 

That sounds like restricted though, not unrestricted.

[Cynosure]

Depends how the NHLPA handles things...

[jersey cubs fan]

Depends how the NHLPA handles things...

 

We know how they handled it, the NHLPA filed a grievance. An arbitrator will decide. The fact that they paid Barker more than he should have gotten if he was still really just a RFA leads me to believe the Blackhawks think Versteeg has a great case and will likely become an UFA. As an UFA, I don't think the Blackhawks would be due any compensation if Versteeg signed elsewhere. That would be a huge loss.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

Depends how the NHLPA handles things...

 

We know how they handled it, the NHLPA filed a grievance. An arbitrator will decide. The fact that they paid Barker more than he should have gotten if he was still really just a RFA leads me to believe the Blackhawks think Versteeg has a great case and will likely become an UFA. As an UFA, I don't think the Blackhawks would be due any compensation if Versteeg signed elsewhere. That would be a huge loss.

 

I'm pretty sure Barker would have gotten that much, at minimum, as an RFA.