Zambrano's Return- Marshall to Pen & Bye-bye Cotts?

[Guest]

I'll believe this when I actually see it. When is Randy Wells' next start anyway?

 

Cubs.com says Friday against Houston. Brian Moehler will be opposing him.

 

That should make Berkman happy. Tejada and Pence will somehow go 10 for 10. And Carlos Lee has been pretty quiet this year hasn't he? There goes Lou's delusional view on Wells.

 

The game will be at Wrigley, so Wells will have more room for error than at MMP. But, the top of that lineup does have the potential to rough him up.

 

Not if there's a 20 mph wind out to left again.

[dew1679666265]

Not if there's a 20 mph wind out to left again.

 

This is a good point.

[TruffleShuffle]

Not if there's a 20 mph wind out to left again.

 

This is a good point.

 

wind should be about 10-15 mph from the southeast, which i guess is out to left. there might be rain/thunderstorm issues though, not sure if they'll be able to go.

[Garage Party]

''I like the way Wells throws the ball, so he'll be staying. So it's just a matter of where.''

I like the way he gives up lots of hits and walks in his one major league start, yeah. Not that Marshall's that great either.

[TruffleShuffle]

''I like the way Wells throws the ball, so he'll be staying. So it's just a matter of where.''

 

lou is about as impulsive as a five year old. hoffpauir makes an error in the outfield? i don't think we'll play him out there. wells has a decent start (1.4 WHIP but 0 ERA in 5 innings) and now he's a guy you just can't let go? give me a break.

[DiamondMind]

''I like the way Wells throws the ball, so he'll be staying. So it's just a matter of where.''

 

lou is about as impulsive as a five year old. hoffpauir makes an error in the outfield? i don't think we'll play him out there. wells has a decent start (1.4 WHIP but 0 ERA in 5 innings) and now he's a guy you just can't let go? give me a break.

 

How much of this is direct from Lou and how much is media speculation?

[Sammy Sofa]

''I like the way Wells throws the ball, so he'll be staying. So it's just a matter of where.''

 

lou is about as impulsive as a five year old. hoffpauir makes an error in the outfield? i don't think we'll play him out there. wells has a decent start (1.4 WHIP but 0 ERA in 5 innings) and now he's a guy you just can't let go? give me a break.

 

How much of this is direct from Lou and how much is media speculation?

 

Seeing as that was a quote from Lou himself (as was the response to Hoff's defense), it's pretty safe to say it's all Lou.

 

Maybe.

 

Just maybe.

[Little Slide Rooter]

Lou also said he likes Scales, so maybe he'll stick around as long as he keeps doing what he has been.

[Little Slide Rooter]

OF-Cubs May. 15 - 2:46 pm et

 

The Friday Cubs-Astros tilt has been postponed by rain, and will be made up July 30.

 

The Cubs will juggle their rotation as a result. Friday's scheduled starter, Randy Wells, will start Saturday. Rich Harden gets pushed back to Sunday, and Sean Marshall will be skipped this turn in the rotation, pitching next Thursday. Roy Oswalt will pitch Saturday for the Astros.

 

Sounds liek they may really be entertaining this idea, depending on how Wells does in his next 2 starts. Its too bad that Marshall has to get demoted to the pen because our current loogy sucks, but thats just they way it goes I guess.

[biittner77]

With the injury history of the Cubs starting staff, Marshall will get more starts this season even if they do replace him with Wells. I just can't see Wells continuing to be effective.

[Guest]

From the point of view of Marshall's development, I really don't mind him spending some time in the pen this year. He's never made it through a full season without some sort of arm fatigue. His max ip is all the way back in 2006 with 146. If he suddenly pitched 200 ip this season, you could place a sizeable be on him being unproductive / injured in 2010. I'd like to see him get periodic rests throughout the season to put him on a pace of around 150 innings.

[Keener98]

From the point of view of Marshall's development, I really don't mind him spending some time in the pen this year. He's never made it through a full season without some sort of arm fatigue. His max ip is all the way back in 2006 with 146. If he suddenly pitched 200 ip this season, you could place a sizeable be on him being unproductive / injured in 2010. I'd like to see him get periodic rests throughout the season to put him on a pace of around 150 innings.

 

 

So then the question is how does he ever get past the 146 innings or so? Sooner or later you have to let him just pitch, especially considering how effective hes been as a starter. I think they definately need to keep an eye on his pitch counts and such, but we arent talking about some 21 year old top prospect just coming up. Marshall will be 27 this season, and eventually he needs to be left alone and just left to pitch.

[jersey cubs fan]

From the point of view of Marshall's development, I really don't mind him spending some time in the pen this year. He's never made it through a full season without some sort of arm fatigue. His max ip is all the way back in 2006 with 146. If he suddenly pitched 200 ip this season, you could place a sizeable be on him being unproductive / injured in 2010. I'd like to see him get periodic rests throughout the season to put him on a pace of around 150 innings.

 

 

So then the question is how does he ever get past the 146 innings or so? Sooner or later you have to let him just pitch, especially considering how effective hes been as a starter. I think they definately need to keep an eye on his pitch counts and such, but we arent talking about some 21 year old top prospect just coming up. Marshall will be 27 this season, and eventually he needs to be left alone and just left to pitch.

 

Yeah, they need to stretch him into the 160-180 range soon anyway. It's nice to be able to limit his innings, but I don't think you save his arm by having him go from throwing 6 innings every 5 days to having him rack up outings against one batter at a time.

[Guest]

From the point of view of Marshall's development, I really don't mind him spending some time in the pen this year. He's never made it through a full season without some sort of arm fatigue. His max ip is all the way back in 2006 with 146. If he suddenly pitched 200 ip this season, you could place a sizeable be on him being unproductive / injured in 2010. I'd like to see him get periodic rests throughout the season to put him on a pace of around 150 innings.

 

 

So then the question is how does he ever get past the 146 innings or so? Sooner or later you have to let him just pitch, especially considering how effective hes been as a starter. I think they definately need to keep an eye on his pitch counts and such, but we arent talking about some 21 year old top prospect just coming up. Marshall will be 27 this season, and eventually he needs to be left alone and just left to pitch.

You do it in increments.

 

Marshall has pitched 133 ip and 127 ip the past two seasons. I'd like to see him jump to 150 ip or so this year to show he can do that without experiencing fatigue/pain. Next season he goes to 180+, which is a typical 4th starter workload. After that he's off the leash entirely. It's really just this year that I'd limit his workload.

[Guest]

Yeah, they need to stretch him into the 160-180 range soon anyway. It's nice to be able to limit his innings, but I don't think you save his arm by having him go from throwing 6 innings every 5 days to having him rack up outings against one batter at a time.

I'd definitely prefer they limit him by letting him skip starts as opposed to loogy duty.

[biittner77]

Yeah, they need to stretch him into the 160-180 range soon anyway. It's nice to be able to limit his innings, but I don't think you save his arm by having him go from throwing 6 innings every 5 days to having him rack up outings against one batter at a time.

I'd definitely prefer they limit him by letting him skip starts as opposed to loogy duty.

 

I can't see them using him exclusively as a loogy but more of a full innging with key LH due up.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeah, they need to stretch him into the 160-180 range soon anyway. It's nice to be able to limit his innings, but I don't think you save his arm by having him go from throwing 6 innings every 5 days to having him rack up outings against one batter at a time.

I'd definitely prefer they limit him by letting him skip starts as opposed to loogy duty.

 

I can't see them using him exclusively as a loogy but more of a full innging with key LH due up.

 

That still doesn't help much in terms of stretching him out to eventually throwing 180+ innings in a season.

[Rusch33]

Sounds like Well is going to the pen, and Marshall is staying in the rotation.

 

http://www.bnd.com/cardinals/story/775566.html

[Keener98]

Sounds like Well is going to the pen, and Marshall is staying in the rotation.

 

http://www.bnd.com/cardinals/story/775566.html

 

 

Id feel alot better if there was something in there from Lou saying it. That article to me seems like pretty lazy journalism, as they just see Z returning, so that means the kid they called up would be the one moved from the rotation. I dont think Marshalls name was even mentioned 1 time in that article.

[Little Slide Rooter]

According to Wrigley rat in the minor leagues board, Ascanio is going bak to Iowa. I dont know if he stated it as speculation or he heard it, but it makes 0 sense. Hes been wild at times, but shown flashes of brilliance. Meanwhile Patton has just been bad. I dont understand why they're so aprehensive to let him go back to Colorodo. They let Gaudin and Vizcaino go, and they were paying them. Id rather have Reinhard or Stevens than Patton.

[SouthSideRyan]

I hate David Patton like most mortal men hate Aaron Miles.

[jersey cubs fan]

I hate David Patton like most mortal men hate Aaron Miles.

 

I hate the scout that insisted he was worth it and Hendry for insisting on going with that scouts feeling rather than the cold hard facts.

[soapy]

i really hope wrigley rat got some bad info. that would be a horrible decision. just end the patton experiment and lets move on.

[biittner77]

i really hope wrigley rat got some bad info. that would be a horrible decision. just end the patton experiment and lets move on.

 

In the general scheme of things, does it really matter who the 7th man in the pen is? Piniella rarely lets the 6th man pitch let alone the 7th unless they are up or down by a lot.

[SouthSideRyan]

i really hope wrigley rat got some bad info. that would be a horrible decision. just end the patton experiment and lets move on.

 

In the general scheme of things, does it really matter who the 7th man in the pen is? Piniella rarely lets the 6th man pitch let alone the 7th unless they are up or down by a lot.

 

The problem is there's no designated 5th or 6th guy either. It appears Lou's pen preference goes Marmol, Gooz, Gregg, the other 3, Patton.

 

By having the 7th guy in the pen be somebody you know isn't going to step up you limit your options for guys who can actually become the 4th guy in the pen. What's crazy about it is it seemed Ascanio had become the 4th guy in the pen during his time here.