College Basketball 2009-10

[hawkeyecub]

are we talking about the andre woolridge that plays ball in a 3rd-world country because nobody wanted him?

 

yeah, the only point guard on your list that has an argument is kalin lucas, and mccamey is stronger and a better passer. he even averages like .2 steals less a game than chris kramer.

 

oh, make no mistake, mccamey is one of the top 2 point guards in the league and a top 5 player.

 

I'm talking about as a college player. Woolridge was better by just about any measure. Per game stats? Check. Tempo free stats? Check. Considered better among his peers by coaches/media? Check. He played with worse talent around him and carried them to a 2nd place finish in the Big Ten. And the champions of that year were vacated because they cheated. If McCamey can do something similar in his career at Illinois we'll talk.

[hawkeyecub]

By the way Draft Express doesn't have McCamey being drafted in '10 or '11.

 

Can we please bet on whether Demetri gets drafted?

 

Please?

 

i think the only question is which year.

 

good passer, good shooter, fast/quick, high dribbler, strong, athletic, and big. that's pretty much the total package in terms of the nba.

 

I think he comes back next year, cause he's got potential for 'BTPOY/Lottery pick in '11. Right now, I think he's fringe 1st round/early 2nd. Also, I can't handle to watch that much Jeff Jordan next year, so please DMac, for me.

 

He doesn't appear on Chad Ford's top 100 or top 30 at PG.

He does not appear on NBA Draft Net's top 100 for the 2010 draft. Nor is he among their top 30 PG prospects.

Is not projected in the '10 or '11 draft by Draft Express.

Yeah that all sounds like a 1st round pick to me or lottery man next year. Search for "Demetri McCamey, mock draft" and see what you find. I'm not saying those are all definitive but when NO ONE is talking about him now, I have no idea why you think he could be a first round pick in 4 months.

 

He's big, strong and a good passer. Fast/quick? Not by NBA standards. Good shooter? Nope. Good defender? Not really. I can't recall seeing such a homerific group of people in one place on one issue.

[SouthSideRyan]

Come on hawkeye, take the bet.

[Smack]

By the way Draft Express doesn't have McCamey being drafted in '10 or '11.

 

Can we please bet on whether Demetri gets drafted?

 

Please?

 

i think the only question is which year.

 

good passer, good shooter, fast/quick, high dribbler, strong, athletic, and big. that's pretty much the total package in terms of the nba.

 

I think he comes back next year, cause he's got potential for 'BTPOY/Lottery pick in '11. Right now, I think he's fringe 1st round/early 2nd. Also, I can't handle to watch that much Jeff Jordan next year, so please DMac, for me.

 

He doesn't appear on Chad Ford's top 100 or top 30 at PG.

He does not appear on NBA Draft Net's top 100 for the 2010 draft. Nor is he among their top 30 PG prospects.

Is not projected in the '10 or '11 draft by Draft Express.

Yeah that all sounds like a 1st round pick to me or lottery man next year. Search for "Demetri McCamey, mock draft" and see what you find. I'm not saying those are all definitive but when NO ONE is talking about him now, I have no idea why you think he could be a first round pick in 4 months.

 

He's big, strong and a good passer. Fast/quick? Not by NBA standards. Good shooter? Nope. Good defender? Not really. I can't recall seeing such a homerific group of people in one place on one issue.

 

Just wait until they beat Michigan St. without Kalin Lucas this weekend.

[hawkeyecub]

Come on hawkeye, take the bet.

 

I never said he won't be drafted, he'll probably be a 2nd rounder. I'm quoting the top 3 sources for NBA Draft coverage and none of them have him in the top 100 currently.

 

I would gladly bet that he'll never be a lottery pick. Or a top 20 pick. We could do some kind of cheesy internet wager or $100 to the charity of the winner's choice.

[SouthSideRyan]

I never said he won't be drafted, he'll probably be a 2nd rounder.

 

I'm quoting the top 3 sources for NBA Draft coverage and none of them have him in the top 100 currently.

 

So you're disagreeing with the top 3 sources for NBA draft coverage.

[snoodmonger]

we're about to lose to CU.

 

Jerk, now I have to sit here and watch you win.

 

Going to OT vs a pretty bad CU team playing w/o one of its top players is very odd. I don't get this KU team.

Watched your game at a bar with a ton of KU fans last night. I learned from them that Sherron Collins is overrated and is only good for about one three a game. They are very ready for him to be gone. I agreed with them, I mean I know I hate having an All American point guard.

 

I'll fight every one of those people. And I'm guessing they're in the minority. Collins' is quite well-loved by most KU fans.

[SouthSideRyan]

we're about to lose to CU.

 

Jerk, now I have to sit here and watch you win.

 

Going to OT vs a pretty bad CU team playing w/o one of its top players is very odd. I don't get this KU team.

Watched your game at a bar with a ton of KU fans last night. I learned from them that Sherron Collins is overrated and is only good for about one three a game. They are very ready for him to be gone. I agreed with them, I mean I know I hate having an All American point guard.

 

I'll fight every one of those people. And I'm guessing they're in the minority. Collins' is quite well-loved by most KU fans.

 

I've been using the elevator thing too much lately right?

[SouthSideRyan]

Come on hawkeye, take the bet.

 

I never said he won't be drafted, he'll probably be a 2nd rounder. I'm quoting the top 3 sources for NBA Draft coverage and none of them have him in the top 100 currently.

 

I would gladly bet that he'll never be a lottery pick. Or a top 20 pick. We could do some kind of cheesy internet wager or $100 to the charity of the winner's choice.

 

I'll take a top 20 vs. not-drafted bet, in the middle nobody wins.

[illiniguy]

we're about to lose to CU.

 

Jerk, now I have to sit here and watch you win.

 

Going to OT vs a pretty bad CU team playing w/o one of its top players is very odd. I don't get this KU team.

Watched your game at a bar with a ton of KU fans last night. I learned from them that Sherron Collins is overrated and is only good for about one three a game. They are very ready for him to be gone. I agreed with them, I mean I know I hate having an All American point guard.

 

I'll fight every one of those people. And I'm guessing they're in the minority. Collins' is quite well-loved by most KU fans.

Agreed, just thought it was pretty funny. Some Illinois fans were the same way with Dee Brown. It seems if a guy stays 4 years at some point some idiots in the fanbase find a reason to rip them.

[illiniguy]

By the way Draft Express doesn't have McCamey being drafted in '10 or '11.

 

Can we please bet on whether Demetri gets drafted?

 

Please?

 

i think the only question is which year.

 

good passer, good shooter, fast/quick, high dribbler, strong, athletic, and big. that's pretty much the total package in terms of the nba.

 

I think he comes back next year, cause he's got potential for 'BTPOY/Lottery pick in '11. Right now, I think he's fringe 1st round/early 2nd. Also, I can't handle to watch that much Jeff Jordan next year, so please DMac, for me.

 

He doesn't appear on Chad Ford's top 100 or top 30 at PG.

He does not appear on NBA Draft Net's top 100 for the 2010 draft. Nor is he among their top 30 PG prospects.

Is not projected in the '10 or '11 draft by Draft Express.

Yeah that all sounds like a 1st round pick to me or lottery man next year. Search for "Demetri McCamey, mock draft" and see what you find. I'm not saying those are all definitive but when NO ONE is talking about him now, I have no idea why you think he could be a first round pick in 4 months.

 

He's big, strong and a good passer. Fast/quick? Not by NBA standards. Good shooter? Nope. Good defender? Not really. I can't recall seeing such a homerific group of people in one place on one issue.

He's not a good shooter now? Through 23 games. He is shooting 48.4% from the field, with 35% from three. Keep in mind he has the ball in his hands a lot at the end of the shot clock and is forced to jack some crazy shots.

Jon Scheyer is shooting 43% from the field and 39% for three.

Sherron Collins is shooting 45% from the field and 39% for three.

 

Looks like he's a pretty good shooter.

Edited February 4, 2010 by illiniguy

[illiniguy]

Demetri's played really dumb basketball today.

 

He's also a huge vagina. Lay down on the floor to get a whistle and immediately when they blow it he gets up and walks around perfectly fine and stays in the game. If you have to draw an injury whistle you should have to come out of the game.

 

Whatever, credit to Illini fans for showing up and taking away any homecourt advantage. Now I know what it feels like to be a Minnesota or Northwestern football fan. But damn that was the most annoying game I've ever attended. At least I can take solace in the fact that Illinois is a basketball school that will have gone 5 years without winning a tournament game. And you have a football coach who can't do anything but recruit and he's not even good at that anymore.

 

iowa hasn't had a player like mccamey in 20 years. irrelevant programs don't have players like him.

 

He's good but he's also a vagina. Woolridge was better. Dean Oliver was close. Tyler Smith was more talented.

 

The problem you're missing is that Illinois is a basketball school. A basketball school with a basketball team that's been irrelevant for almost 5 years now. You're looking at 5-6 years without winning an NCAA game. And your football program is being led by a guy who is a punchline nationally and can't even recruit anymore.

Dean Oliver Stat Summary:

 

Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG

2000-01 35 36.5 14.9 39.2 36.3 76.9 4.8 2.8 0.1 1.4

1999-00 30 33.9 13.6 36.9 32.0 76.6 4.2 2.9 0.1 2.1

1998-99 30 28.6 11.9 40.1 36.7 71.6 4.5 3.5 0.1 1.7

1997-98 31 25.1 8.8 37.4 31.7 76.2 4.2 2.5 0.0 1.4

 

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Career 126 31.2 12.4 38.4 34.6 75.3 4.5 2.9 0.1 1.6

 

 

Per Game Team G GS MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TOPG PFPG FG% 3P% FT%

2007-08 Ill 35 17 27.3 8.2 2.9 3.3 0.5 0.1 2.5 1.5 .364 .340 .627

2008-09 Ill 34 32 30.6 11.5 2.6 4.6 0.9 0.2 2.4 1.5 .411 .313 .764

2009-10 Ill 23 21 32.3 15.1 3.2 6.2 1.5 0.2 3.2 2.4 .480 .348 .727

Career 92 70 29.8 11.1 2.9 4.5 0.9 0.2 2.7 1.7 .415 .330 .714

McCamey's much better and actually has improved in his career.

[mul21]

Dean Oliver Stat Summary:

 

Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
2000-01 35 36.5 14.9 39.2 36.3 76.9 4.8 2.8 0.1 1.4
1999-00 30 33.9 13.6 36.9 32.0 76.6 4.2 2.9 0.1 2.1
1998-99 30 28.6 11.9 40.1 36.7 71.6 4.5 3.5 0.1 1.7
1997-98 31 25.1 8.8 37.4 31.7 76.2 4.2 2.5 0.0 1.4
Career 126 31.2 12.4 38.4 34.6 75.3 4.5 2.9 0.1 1.6

 

 

Per Game Team G GS MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TOPG PFPG FG% 3P% FT%
2007-08 Ill 35 17 27.3 8.2 2.9 3.3 0.5 0.1 2.5 1.5 .364 .340 .627
2008-09 Ill 34 32 30.6 11.5 2.6 4.6 0.9 0.2 2.4 1.5 .411 .313 .764
2009-10 Ill 23 21 32.3 15.1 3.2 6.2 1.5 0.2 3.2 2.4 .480 .348 .727
Career      92 70 29.8 11.1 2.9 4.5 0.9 0.2 2.7 1.7 .415 .330 .714

 

McCamey's much better and actually has improved in his career.

 

ETA: Sorry, couldn't read it the other way.

Edited February 4, 2010 by mul21

[illiniguy]

Dean Oliver Stat Summary:

 

Season GP MPG PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
2000-01 35 36.5 14.9 39.2 36.3 76.9 4.8 2.8 0.1 1.4
1999-00 30 33.9 13.6 36.9 32.0 76.6 4.2 2.9 0.1 2.1
1998-99 30 28.6 11.9 40.1 36.7 71.6 4.5 3.5 0.1 1.7
1997-98 31 25.1 8.8 37.4 31.7 76.2 4.2 2.5 0.0 1.4
Career 126 31.2 12.4 38.4 34.6 75.3 4.5 2.9 0.1 1.6

 

 

Per Game Team G GS MPG PPG RPG APG SPG BPG TOPG PFPG FG% 3P% FT%
2007-08 Ill 35 17 27.3 8.2 2.9 3.3 0.5 0.1 2.5 1.5 .364 .340 .627
2008-09 Ill 34 32 30.6 11.5 2.6 4.6 0.9 0.2 2.4 1.5 .411 .313 .764
2009-10 Ill 23 21 32.3 15.1 3.2 6.2 1.5 0.2 3.2 2.4 .480 .348 .727
Career      92 70 29.8 11.1 2.9 4.5 0.9 0.2 2.7 1.7 .415 .330 .714

 

McCamey's much better and actually has improved in his career.

Thank man I couldn't get it to do that. :mrgreen:

[mul21]

Thank man I couldn't get it to do that. :mrgreen:

 

Jut select the stuff you pasted in and click the code button. It's really pretty easy.

[illiniguy]

Thank man I couldn't get it to do that. :mrgreen:

 

Jut select the stuff you pasted in and click the code button. It's really pretty easy.

Whoa that's fancy talk. I'm pretty awful with the puter. But, thanks I'll give it a whirl next time.

[hawkeyecub]

Come on hawkeye, take the bet.

 

I never said he won't be drafted, he'll probably be a 2nd rounder. I'm quoting the top 3 sources for NBA Draft coverage and none of them have him in the top 100 currently.

 

I would gladly bet that he'll never be a lottery pick. Or a top 20 pick. We could do some kind of cheesy internet wager or $100 to the charity of the winner's choice.

 

I'll take a top 20 vs. not-drafted bet, in the middle nobody wins.

 

I'm down with that.

 

Okay clearly Oliver wasn't that close. Apparently I had selective memory when it came to his shooting. He did have a great senior year outside of 2FG though. His tempo free stats were solid.

[Magnetic Curses]

hawkeye, i like you, but you're trolling in pretty much every way. you come on here and call mccamey names and refer to the illini program in a discourteous manner just to stir things up. when illini fans get defensive, you call them homers when nothing really could be farther from the truth. i don't think anyone has been harder on our coach and team this year than illini fans. i routinely rip on mike tisdale and davis, cole, and keller, illiniguy is obsessed with how bad of a coach weber is, SSR is harder on the team than anyone.

 

i know you have this grudge deep down from when you were growing up and andy kaufman drained a 3 at the buzzer to win and everyone stormed the court and the crowd went nuts and the angels were signing and the sun was shining everywhere but in your heart, but let it go. that was like 17 years ago, or, in hawkeye years, 30 years ago. the hawkeyes aren't even a rival anymore, they would have to be a threat to be a rival.

[Sammys Boombox]

hahaha we need a three and the worst shooter on the team takes it. what a pathetic loss. that hurts in re: to making the tournament

 

Yes, I was very mad last night. I would rather that Bowers took the shot. At the time English, Dixon and Denmon were all on the court. In no way should the shot have been taken by Tiller, much less a contested shot.

[Smack]

Is Purdue really going to let IU score 90 points on them tonight?

[Smack]

I thought IU fans were going to storm the court at the half there.

[illiniguy]

hawkeye, i like you, but you're trolling in pretty much every way. you come on here and call mccamey names and refer to the illini program in a discourteous manner just to stir things up. when illini fans get defensive, you call them homers when nothing really could be farther from the truth. i don't think anyone has been harder on our coach and team this year than illini fans. i routinely rip on mike tisdale and davis, cole, and keller, illiniguy is obsessed with how bad of a coach weber is, SSR is harder on the team than anyone.

 

i know you have this grudge deep down from when you were growing up and andy kaufman drained a 3 at the buzzer to win and everyone stormed the court and the crowd went nuts and the angels were signing and the sun was shining everywhere but in your heart, but let it go. that was like 17 years ago, or, in hawkeye years, 30 years ago. the hawkeyes aren't even a rival anymore, they would have to be a threat to be a rival.

It is bordering on obsession for me. I'm gonna let the year play out. But, if we miss the tourny I want him gone.

[SouthSideRyan]

Why were they just chanting Muniru(whatever)'s name? Has this guy ever done anything?

[illiniguy]

hahaha we need a three and the worst shooter on the team takes it. what a pathetic loss. that hurts in re: to making the tournament

 

Yes, I was very mad last night. I would rather that Bowers took the shot. At the time English, Dixon and Denmon were all on the court. In no way should the shot have been taken by Tiller, much less a contested shot.

Hey Mizzou fans is your 5 Star recruit gonna qualify? I know that it was kind of an issue earlier.

[Sosa21MVP]

Why were they just chanting Muniru(whatever)'s name? Has this guy ever done anything?

 

No but he plays so rarely I guess the shock prompted them to chant. :-))