College Basketball 2009-10

[nick23]

I just wish one of these times, Cal actually got punished. Not just the school he cuts and runs from.

 

How long before Kentucky is sanctioned?

Right after he bolts for UCLA/UNC.

[SouthSideRyan]

The Memphis situation looks more like a UMass than a Gonzaga to me, though.

The only thing similar about UMass and Memphis is the coach who left. Memphis had success well before Cal arrived. I never said we wouldn't miss a beat without Cal, sure this next season is going to be challenging but there's a lot of talent still on the team. And like I mentioned, the major recruits still have Memphis on their list. There's still a very good chance the program can stay on an elite level.

Umass has success before Cal as well. Maybe you have heard of Julius Erving?

They had one NCAA appearance from 1950 to the Cal era. I meant actual success.

 

One? That's almost as many appearances as Memphis has vacated Final 4s.

[SouthSideRyan]

I just wish one of these times, Cal actually got punished. Not just the school he cuts and runs from.

 

How long before Kentucky is sanctioned?

Right after he bolts for UCLA/UNC.

 

You told me Kentucky was his dream job. it wasn't about money.

[nick23]

I just wish one of these times, Cal actually got punished. Not just the school he cuts and runs from.

 

How long before Kentucky is sanctioned?

Right after he bolts for UCLA/UNC.

 

You told me Kentucky was his dream job. it wasn't about money.

That was before the allegations came out. But he did take less money to go to Kentucky.

[hawkeyecub]

The Memphis situation looks more like a UMass than a Gonzaga to me, though.

 

I would have agreed if it weren't for their Fed Ex connection which has helped deliver a ton of money and great facilities.

 

I think Pastner will keep them about as relevant as Gonzaga. They'll fly around to play tough teams in the non-conference, clean up in conference and have a handful of Sweet 16's.

[SouthSideRyan]

The Memphis situation looks more like a UMass than a Gonzaga to me, though.

 

I would have agreed if it weren't for their Fed Ex connection which has helped deliver a ton of money and great facilities.

 

I think Pastner will keep them about as relevant as Gonzaga. They'll fly around to play tough teams in the non-conference, clean up in conference and have a handful of Sweet 16's.

 

The question is how much of Memphis's success was their facilities and how much was their skirting of the rules. There's no big name coach to save them anymore, Memphis continues what they've been doing they're fucked.

[SpongeWorthy]

You're right, UMass and UNLV are high profile too.

What do they have to do with Memphis? There's just as many examples of schools losing high profile coaches and still maintaining elite levels.

 

There a lot of examples of [expletive] conference schools losing high profile coaches and not missing a beat?

 

The Self to Weber transition was pretty seamless--and then Weber started getting talent commensurate with the rest of the conference.

[hawkeyecub]

The Memphis situation looks more like a UMass than a Gonzaga to me, though.

 

I would have agreed if it weren't for their Fed Ex connection which has helped deliver a ton of money and great facilities.

 

I think Pastner will keep them about as relevant as Gonzaga. They'll fly around to play tough teams in the non-conference, clean up in conference and have a handful of Sweet 16's.

 

The question is how much of Memphis's success was their facilities and how much was their skirting of the rules. There's no big name coach to save them anymore, Memphis continues what they've been doing they're [expletive].

 

This is true.

[illiniguy]

You're right, UMass and UNLV are high profile too.

What do they have to do with Memphis? There's just as many examples of schools losing high profile coaches and still maintaining elite levels.

 

There a lot of examples of [expletive] conference schools losing high profile coaches and not missing a beat?

 

The Self to Weber transition was pretty seamless--and then Weber started getting talent commensurate with the rest of the conference.

I don't think Cal left any Deron Williams' around for this guy though.

[SouthSideRyan]

You're right, UMass and UNLV are high profile too.

What do they have to do with Memphis? There's just as many examples of schools losing high profile coaches and still maintaining elite levels.

 

There a lot of examples of [expletive] conference schools losing high profile coaches and not missing a beat?

 

The Self to Weber transition was pretty seamless--and then Weber started getting talent commensurate with the rest of the conference.

 

Memphis isn't Illinois and C-USA isn't the Big Ten.

[Exile on Waveland]

You're right, UMass and UNLV are high profile too.

What do they have to do with Memphis? There's just as many examples of schools losing high profile coaches and still maintaining elite levels.

 

There a lot of examples of [expletive] conference schools losing high profile coaches and not missing a beat?

 

The Self to Weber transition was pretty seamless--and then Weber started getting talent commensurate with the rest of the conference.

 

Memphis isn't Illinois and C-USA isn't the Big Ten.

 

I also think it's fair to say Pastner won't be Weber either.

[Guest]

I'm not much of basketball fan but Memphis and Calipari are getting a raw deal here.

 

The NCAA cleared Rose, twice. When Memphis found out that a grade was changed on his transcripts they reported it to the NCAA.

 

Calipari was kind of a dick, but that doesn't mean he did anything wrong, at least at Memphis

[Guest]

 

no, because that actually would have been a real punishment, and the ncaa doesn't do that to high-profile programs.

 

Memphis is high profile?

 

If Calipari stayed and he had his army of paid 18 year olds there instead of Lexington, the NCAA would've found no wrong-doing. With Calipari gone and Memphis's program an afterthought they were able to actually do something(however pointless it may be)

You don't know what you are talking about.

[NCCubFan]

Also if I'm not mistaken vacated wins doesn't mean that they now count as losses.

Correct. Forfeited wins turn into losses; vacated wins don't. Basically, it's as if the games were never played.

[SouthSideRyan]

 

no, because that actually would have been a real punishment, and the ncaa doesn't do that to high-profile programs.

 

Memphis is high profile?

 

If Calipari stayed and he had his army of paid 18 year olds there instead of Lexington, the NCAA would've found no wrong-doing. With Calipari gone and Memphis's program an afterthought they were able to actually do something(however pointless it may be)

You don't know what you are talking about.

 

Well you're certainly an unbiased source.

[Magnetic Curses]

wasn't kentuvky close to getting major major major sanctions after sutton?

[illiniguy]

I'm not much of basketball fan but Memphis and Calipari are getting a raw deal here.

 

The NCAA cleared Rose, twice. When Memphis found out that a grade was changed on his transcripts they reported it to the NCAA.

 

Calipari was kind of a dick, but that doesn't mean he did anything wrong, at least at Memphis

I kinda agree with this. I really don't get the difference between this and the Darrell Arthur spot. Did the NCAA prove Memphis knew about the SAT? Cause in both cases it seems like the NCAA Clearinghouse approved the kids?

[NCCubFan]

wasn't kentuvky close to getting major major major sanctions after sutton?

I was a graduate student at UK then. They did get major sanctions (including a 2-year postseason and television ban). Reportedly the NCAA discussed the death penalty but didn't seriously consider it because UK cooperated and took what the NCAA considered to be appropriate action (firing both the AD and head coach). That's when C.M. Newton was hired as AD and Rick Pitino as coach.

[nick23]

I'm not much of basketball fan but Memphis and Calipari are getting a raw deal here.

 

The NCAA cleared Rose, twice. When Memphis found out that a grade was changed on his transcripts they reported it to the NCAA.

 

Calipari was kind of a dick, but that doesn't mean he did anything wrong, at least at Memphis

I kinda agree with this. I really don't get the difference between this and the Darrell Arthur spot. Did the NCAA prove Memphis knew about the SAT? Cause in both cases it seems like the NCAA Clearinghouse approved the kids?

I'm not going to act like Cal was running a completely clean program because that's likely not the case. But this whole Rose thing is pretty ridiculous. I don't know what else Memphis or any program is supposed to do. The guy was cleared by the NCAA clearinghouse. Are programs now supposed to dig deeper to clear players on their own?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'm not going to act like Cal was running a completely clean program because that's likely not the case. But this whole Rose thing is pretty ridiculous. I don't know what else Memphis or any program is supposed to do. The guy was cleared by the NCAA clearinghouse. Are programs now supposed to dig deeper to clear players on their own?

 

This assumes that Rose acted completely on his own in getting someone to take the SAT for him. More likely, Calipari at best knew about it and at the worst orchestrated it.

[nick23]

The Memphis situation looks more like a UMass than a Gonzaga to me, though.

 

I would have agreed if it weren't for their Fed Ex connection which has helped deliver a ton of money and great facilities.

 

I think Pastner will keep them about as relevant as Gonzaga. They'll fly around to play tough teams in the non-conference, clean up in conference and have a handful of Sweet 16's.

 

The question is how much of Memphis's success was their facilities and how much was their skirting of the rules. There's no big name coach to save them anymore, Memphis continues what they've been doing they're [expletive].

The facilities are top notch and money coming into the program will never be a problem. If Memphis can survive this next season and then sign a couple of the big time recruits who have Memphis listed as their top choices, I don't think you'll see much of a dropoff.

[nick23]

I'm not going to act like Cal was running a completely clean program because that's likely not the case. But this whole Rose thing is pretty ridiculous. I don't know what else Memphis or any program is supposed to do. The guy was cleared by the NCAA clearinghouse. Are programs now supposed to dig deeper to clear players on their own?

 

This assumes that Rose acted completely on his own in getting someone to take the SAT for him. More likely, Calipari at best knew about it and at the worst orchestrated it.

The point still remains that the NCAA cleared him to play for Memphis. What is Memphis supposed to do? Hold it's own investigation into whether he actually took the SAT on his own?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'm not going to act like Cal was running a completely clean program because that's likely not the case. But this whole Rose thing is pretty ridiculous. I don't know what else Memphis or any program is supposed to do. The guy was cleared by the NCAA clearinghouse. Are programs now supposed to dig deeper to clear players on their own?

 

This assumes that Rose acted completely on his own in getting someone to take the SAT for him. More likely, Calipari at best knew about it and at the worst orchestrated it.

The point still remains that the NCAA cleared him to play for Memphis. What is Memphis supposed to do? Hold it's own investigation into whether he actually took the SAT on his own?

 

No, they should either stop Rose from cheating when they know about it, or they should stop cheating for Rose themselves.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm not much of basketball fan but Memphis and Calipari are getting a raw deal here.

 

The NCAA cleared Rose, twice. When Memphis found out that a grade was changed on his transcripts they reported it to the NCAA.

 

Calipari was kind of a dick, but that doesn't mean he did anything wrong, at least at Memphis

I kinda agree with this. I really don't get the difference between this and the Darrell Arthur spot. Did the NCAA prove Memphis knew about the SAT? Cause in both cases it seems like the NCAA Clearinghouse approved the kids?

I'm not going to act like Cal was running a completely clean program because that's likely not the case. But this whole Rose thing is pretty ridiculous. I don't know what else Memphis or any program is supposed to do. The guy was cleared by the NCAA clearinghouse. Are programs now supposed to dig deeper to clear players on their own?

 

What's UMass supposed to do? The NCAA cleared Marcus Camby to play even though he was getting paid! What are they supposed to do, stop their players from getting paid on their own?

 

What's Michigan supposed to do? The NCAA cleared Chris Webber to play even though he was getting paid!! What are they supposed to do stop their players from getting paid on their own?

 

What's Georgia supposed to do? The NCAA allowed the kids to take those fake classes and be eligible! What are they supposed to do make their players take real classes on their own?

 

What's Washington football supposed to do? The NCAA allowed Jeramy Stevens to play even though he raped that girl! What are they supposed to do stop their players from raping girls on their own??

[fromthestretch]

What's Washington football supposed to do? The NCAA allowed Jeramy Stevens to play even though he raped that girl! What are they supposed to do stop their players from raping girls on their own??

 

Well, you know, schools are getting people to write papers and take exams for athletes. It's only a matter of time before they get people to do the raping for them, as well.