2010 NFL Draft

[dew1679666265]

Locker has really shot up. Is he really the top draft eligible quarterback though?

 

Another year of coaching and separation from Willingham's poisonous influence could do him wonders.

 

His TD:INT ratio is still a bit of a downer to me, but he's improved his completion percentage each year (47.3 to 53.8 to 57.2) and his rating has improved each year as well.

 

His TD:INT this year is just 11:6, though, which is much better than two years ago (14:15). He has a prototypical NFL build with a strong arm and good mobility and I think some teams will fall in love with that.

 

The scouts have to love that he plays in a pro style offense. Imagine if he were on Tennessee with actual weapons playing in the same system he is at UW, he'd be an unquestioned top prospect.

 

The only reason he isn't a superstar is because of Willingham. Bad QB coaching combined with pretty dreadful talent around him. He really is the best athlete I've seen at QB whose throwing motion isn't all jacked up like VYs.

 

That TD:INT ratio might have something to do with not having much talent around him. If his numbers continue to improve throughout the season, I might come around to him being the #1 QB in the draft. I still like Bradford a lot, though.

[dew1679666265]

Locker has really shot up. Is he really the top draft eligible quarterback though?

 

Another year of coaching and separation from Willingham's poisonous influence could do him wonders.

 

Agreed. He really could use that extra year. At this time, I'd rather have Clausen though Locker has the higher ceiling. I can see why a team would take Locker at 1.

 

Suh is definitely my #1 guy on the board. Russell Okung, Joe Haden and Arrelious Benn should be in the top 30, imo.

 

Man, this draft is loaded at DT.

 

He dropped all three of those guys out after having them in it previously. Not sure I agree with the move, but I haven't watched 2 of the 3 much at all this year, so I'm probably speaking out of place.

 

Along with the DTs, I really like the depth at QB this draft could have (if Bradford, Locker, Clausen and Devlin all enter it).

[imb]

The more I think about it, the more I could see Clausen shooting up the draft board and being the No. 1 QB picked.

 

Seems like everyone else has questions. Locker - sub par numbers. Bradford - health. Pike - small school, no name recognition. Mallett - Not a lot of experience. Tebow - total dick suck. McCoy - can only throw the ball 7 yards.

[dew1679666265]

The more I think about it, the more I could see Clausen shooting up the draft board and being the No. 1 QB picked.

 

Seems like everyone else has questions. Locker - sub par numbers. Bradford - health. Pike - small school, no name recognition. Mallett - Not a lot of experience. Tebow - total dick suck. McCoy - can only throw the ball 7 yards.

 

The funny thing about Pike is, he's doing this at a BCS school, but nobody seems to recognize that. Right now, if I had to order the QBs by preference, I'd probably go:

 

Bradford

Pike

Clausen

Locker

McCoy

Devlin

Hiller

Tebow

Mallett

 

The first two remaining there would depend on health. If both are deemed healthy, they're my best two. If not, they probably fall below Clausen/Locker. There's not much separation in that top 4 for me right now anyway, though.

[hawkeyecub]

The more I think about it, the more I could see Clausen shooting up the draft board and being the No. 1 QB picked.

 

Seems like everyone else has questions. Locker - sub par numbers. Bradford - health. Pike - small school, no name recognition. Mallett - Not a lot of experience. Tebow - total dick suck. McCoy - can only throw the ball 7 yards.

 

Agreed.

 

By the way not that it means a lot right now but when I was working out over lunch I saw McShay and Kiper doing their back and forth on Bradford's prospects. Mel says top 5 pick and #1 QB, McShay says top 10 overall.

[Guest]

The more I think about it, the more I could see Clausen shooting up the draft board and being the No. 1 QB picked.

 

Seems like everyone else has questions. Locker - sub par numbers. Bradford - health. Pike - small school, no name recognition. Mallett - Not a lot of experience. Tebow - total dick suck. McCoy - can only throw the ball 7 yards.

 

The funny thing about Pike is, he's doing this at a BCS school, but nobody seems to recognize that. Right now, if I had to order the QBs by preference, I'd probably go:

 

Bradford

Pike

Clausen

Locker

McCoy

Devlin

Hiller

Tebow

Mallett

 

The first two remaining there would depend on health. If both are deemed healthy, they're my best two. If not, they probably fall below Clausen/Locker. There's not much separation in that top 4 for me right now anyway, though.

 

I'd rather have Clausen than Bradford even if Bradford was healthy. I'm not a big Colt McCoy in the NFL fan.

 

Mallett and Locker sure could use an extra year.

[CubbieBum]

Bradford seems like the QB who will fall once the Combine and workouts start. He doesn't have that great of an arm, won't have much of a senior season and will have health issues. I think going into the workouts people will be looking for him to be overly impressive and simply doesn't have the cannon arm.

[dew1679666265]

The more I think about it, the more I could see Clausen shooting up the draft board and being the No. 1 QB picked.

 

Seems like everyone else has questions. Locker - sub par numbers. Bradford - health. Pike - small school, no name recognition. Mallett - Not a lot of experience. Tebow - total dick suck. McCoy - can only throw the ball 7 yards.

 

The funny thing about Pike is, he's doing this at a BCS school, but nobody seems to recognize that. Right now, if I had to order the QBs by preference, I'd probably go:

 

Bradford

Pike

Clausen

Locker

McCoy

Devlin

Hiller

Tebow

Mallett

 

The first two remaining there would depend on health. If both are deemed healthy, they're my best two. If not, they probably fall below Clausen/Locker. There's not much separation in that top 4 for me right now anyway, though.

 

I'd rather have Clausen than Bradford even if Bradford was healthy. I'm not a big Colt McCoy in the NFL fan.

 

Mallett and Locker sure could use an extra year.

 

Mallett definitely needs another year - that's why I have him last on the list - and Locker might need another. It depends on how he finishes this season, I think.

 

And unless it's purely because of the shoulder injury, I don't see why Clausen should be rated higher than Bradford. Bradford has been much better than Clausen throughout his career and is 6'4", while Clausen is 6'3" (not that the inch difference is significant, but it's to point out that Clausen doesn't have more of a pro-style build than Bradford). Why do you prefer Clausen?

[dew1679666265]

Bradford seems like the QB who will fall once the Combine and workouts start. He doesn't have that great of an arm, won't have much of a senior season and will have health issues. I think going into the workouts people will be looking for him to be overly impressive and simply doesn't have the cannon arm.

 

I've watched a decent amount of Bradford and never thought his arm was a negative. It may not be a rocket arm, but I don't think it's a negative.

[SouthSideRyan]

Bradford would have to really impress at the combine to pass Clausen for me. I'm biased, but I think he's the clear #1

[Tyrant]

By the way not that it means a lot right now but when I was working out over lunch I saw McShay and Kiper doing their back and forth on Bradford's prospects. Mel says top 5 pick and #1 QB, McShay says top 10 overall.

 

No one thought he'd go undrafted? That's surprising.

[imb]

The more I think about it, the more I could see Clausen shooting up the draft board and being the No. 1 QB picked.

 

Seems like everyone else has questions. Locker - sub par numbers. Bradford - health. Pike - small school, no name recognition. Mallett - Not a lot of experience. Tebow - total dick suck. McCoy - can only throw the ball 7 yards.

 

Agreed.

 

By the way not that it means a lot right now but when I was working out over lunch I saw McShay and Kiper doing their back and forth on Bradford's prospects. Mel says top 5 pick and #1 QB, McShay says top 10 overall.

 

I realize these guys have to talk like this, but it's basically pointless to say something like "well he's still the No. 1 QB" at this stage. That would be the truth whether or not Bradford had hurt himself this year. Way too much time between now and April.

 

Bradford doesn't have Stafford's arm, but everyone knew that last year and they still liked him, because he's smart and he's incredibly accurate. Not to knock McCoy, but just as a comparison, Bradford actually throws the ball downfield, though last year he did rely on bubble screens a lot.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if he came back. From what I''ve heard, the surgery puts him at a late march-early april comeback time (more likely March) which just doesn't leave him a lot of room to prove himself. Not that Crabtree needed it a year ago.

 

Anyway, Bradford has always seemed like a guy with an outside shot of graduating, and since the No. 1 concern on him was "will he withstand NFL hits," and the answer so far is no, he might take the risk and stay another year.

 

Unless he really hates this OL (as much as i do) and bolts. I dont know.

 

I think Clausen is a super pro-prospect, I think Mallett could be Joe Flacco and I think Jake Locker might be.... a more athletic Roethlisberger? I'm struggling with a comparison.

[Guest]

The more I think about it, the more I could see Clausen shooting up the draft board and being the No. 1 QB picked.

 

Seems like everyone else has questions. Locker - sub par numbers. Bradford - health. Pike - small school, no name recognition. Mallett - Not a lot of experience. Tebow - total dick suck. McCoy - can only throw the ball 7 yards.

 

The funny thing about Pike is, he's doing this at a BCS school, but nobody seems to recognize that. Right now, if I had to order the QBs by preference, I'd probably go:

 

Bradford

Pike

Clausen

Locker

McCoy

Devlin

Hiller

Tebow

Mallett

 

The first two remaining there would depend on health. If both are deemed healthy, they're my best two. If not, they probably fall below Clausen/Locker. There's not much separation in that top 4 for me right now anyway, though.

 

I'd rather have Clausen than Bradford even if Bradford was healthy. I'm not a big Colt McCoy in the NFL fan.

 

Mallett and Locker sure could use an extra year.

 

Mallett definitely needs another year - that's why I have him last on the list - and Locker might need another. It depends on how he finishes this season, I think.

 

And unless it's purely because of the shoulder injury, I don't see why Clausen should be rated higher than Bradford. Bradford has been much better than Clausen throughout his career and is 6'4", while Clausen is 6'3" (not that the inch difference is significant, but it's to point out that Clausen doesn't have more of a pro-style build than Bradford). Why do you prefer Clausen?

 

Clausen has all the measurables, the better arm and runs a pro style offense. I'm always wary of spread QBs and if two QBs are relatively equal, I'll take the pro style QB.

 

But I'll agree with IMB, despite playing in a spread offense, Bradford has shown immense accuracy already.

 

Obviously all while assuming a healthy Bradford. For me, I won't even judge Bradford now. Don't know where to begin since he's unhealthy and has question marks.

[dew1679666265]

Bradford doesn't have Stafford's arm, but everyone knew that last year and they still liked him, because he's smart and he's incredibly accurate. Not to knock McCoy, but just as a comparison, Bradford actually throws the ball downfield, though last year he did rely on bubble screens a lot.

 

I actually would liken Bradford to Sanchez. Both are cerebral QBs who don't have great arms but came up in elite BCS programs.

 

I think Clausen is a super pro-prospect, I think Mallett could be Joe Flacco and I think Jake Locker might be.... a more athletic Roethlisberger? I'm struggling with a comparison.

 

Mallett likely wouldn't have the quick success Flacco did, but those seem like good comparisons. How about Romo as a comp for Locker? Or a better version of Romo? Or maybe McNabb?

Edited October 22, 2009 by dew

[dew1679666265]

Clausen has all the measurables, the better arm and runs a pro style offense. I'm always wary of spread QBs and if two QBs are relatively equal, I'll take the pro style QB.

 

But I'll agree with IMB, despite playing in a spread offense, Bradford has shown immense accuracy already.

 

Obviously all while assuming a healthy Bradford. For me, I won't even judge Bradford now. Don't know where to begin since he's unhealthy and has question marks.

 

Bradford has the measureables too, but I guess Clausen does have the stronger arm. Playing in a pro-style offense definitely helps Clausen, but the numbers are vastly on Bradford's side.

 

I'll agree that this is all dependent on health, though. Both Bradford and Pike could fall a bit if they don't get healthy by or before the combine.

[Guest]

Bradford doesn't have Stafford's arm, but everyone knew that last year and they still liked him, because he's smart and he's incredibly accurate. Not to knock McCoy, but just as a comparison, Bradford actually throws the ball downfield, though last year he did rely on bubble screens a lot.

 

I actually would liken Bradford to Sanchez. Both are cerebral QBs who don't have great arms but came up in elite BCS programs.

 

I think Clausen is a super pro-prospect, I think Mallett could be Joe Flacco and I think Jake Locker might be.... a more athletic Roethlisberger? I'm struggling with a comparison.

 

Mallett likely wouldn't have the quick success Flacco did, but those seem like good comparisons. How about Romo as a comp for Locker? Or a better version of Romo? Or maybe McNabb?

 

Sanchez has a better skill set than Bradford though. Better arm than Bradford.

 

I don't like the Rothlisberger comp but Locker is more Rothlisberger than Romo. McNabb is interesting though...

 

I really liked Pike (as a first rounder, not a high first rounder) before the injury.

[dew1679666265]

Bradford doesn't have Stafford's arm, but everyone knew that last year and they still liked him, because he's smart and he's incredibly accurate. Not to knock McCoy, but just as a comparison, Bradford actually throws the ball downfield, though last year he did rely on bubble screens a lot.

 

I actually would liken Bradford to Sanchez. Both are cerebral QBs who don't have great arms but came up in elite BCS programs.

 

I think Clausen is a super pro-prospect, I think Mallett could be Joe Flacco and I think Jake Locker might be.... a more athletic Roethlisberger? I'm struggling with a comparison.

 

Mallett likely wouldn't have the quick success Flacco did, but those seem like good comparisons. How about Romo as a comp for Locker? Or a better version of Romo? Or maybe McNabb?

 

Sanchez has a better skill set than Bradford though. Better arm than Bradford.

 

I don't like the Rothlisberger comp but Locker is more Rothlisberger than Romo. McNabb is interesting though...

 

I really liked Pike (as a first rounder, not a high first rounder) before the injury.

 

Yeah, now that I think about it more, I see more McNabb than Romo. Big, strong and mobile with a good arm and a tendency to throw a few picks, but not to a detrimental point (assuming his junior year is more accurate than his freshman year).

 

As for the Sanchez/Bradford debate, I apparently haven't seen enough of Bradford because I didn't think his arm was as weak as y'all seem to think.

[jersey cubs fan]

Yeah, now that I think about it more, I see more McNabb than Romo. Big, strong and mobile with a good arm and a tendency to throw a few picks, but not to a detrimental point (assuming his junior year is more accurate than his freshman year).

 

A tendency to throw a few picks, even if you characterize it as not to a detrimental point, doesn't really compare well with McNabb. Isn't he one of the least picked off QBs ever?

[dew1679666265]

Yeah, now that I think about it more, I see more McNabb than Romo. Big, strong and mobile with a good arm and a tendency to throw a few picks, but not to a detrimental point (assuming his junior year is more accurate than his freshman year).

 

A tendency to throw a few picks, even if you characterize it as not to a detrimental point, doesn't really compare well with McNabb. Isn't he one of the least picked off QBs ever?

 

I wouldn't think so. McNabb throws about 6-13 picks a year and usually has about a 2:1 or a little better TD:INT ratio.

[CubbieBum]

Yeah, now that I think about it more, I see more McNabb than Romo. Big, strong and mobile with a good arm and a tendency to throw a few picks, but not to a detrimental point (assuming his junior year is more accurate than his freshman year).

 

A tendency to throw a few picks, even if you characterize it as not to a detrimental point, doesn't really compare well with McNabb. Isn't he one of the least picked off QBs ever?

 

I wouldn't think so. McNabb throws about 6-13 picks a year and usually has about a 2:1 or a little better TD:INT ratio.

 

6-13 picks isn't a lot by any means. His ratio isn't as great as some of the others because he normally has 23-27 TD's but he rarely throws picks.

 

He was somewhat inaccurate early in his career so the Locker comparisons are pretty good. I think McNabb took six seasons to have a completion percentage over 60.

[CubbieBum]

Yeah, now that I think about it more, I see more McNabb than Romo. Big, strong and mobile with a good arm and a tendency to throw a few picks, but not to a detrimental point (assuming his junior year is more accurate than his freshman year).

 

A tendency to throw a few picks, even if you characterize it as not to a detrimental point, doesn't really compare well with McNabb. Isn't he one of the least picked off QBs ever?

 

I wouldn't think so. McNabb throws about 6-13 picks a year and usually has about a 2:1 or a little better TD:INT ratio.

 

6-13 picks isn't a lot by any means. His ratio isn't as great as some of the others because he normally has 23-27 TD's but he rarely throws picks.

 

He was somewhat inaccurate early in his career so the Locker comparisons are pretty good. I think McNabb took six seasons to have a completion percentage over 60.

 

And in looking it up he is has the 2nd lowest percentage of passes being intercepted of all time. He is also 29th in passing attempts yet 116th in interceptions.

 

BTW Gartard leads the list for least intercepted. So in QB's with at least 2000 attempts McNabb leads the way.

[dew1679666265]

Yeah, now that I think about it more, I see more McNabb than Romo. Big, strong and mobile with a good arm and a tendency to throw a few picks, but not to a detrimental point (assuming his junior year is more accurate than his freshman year).

 

A tendency to throw a few picks, even if you characterize it as not to a detrimental point, doesn't really compare well with McNabb. Isn't he one of the least picked off QBs ever?

 

I wouldn't think so. McNabb throws about 6-13 picks a year and usually has about a 2:1 or a little better TD:INT ratio.

 

6-13 picks isn't a lot by any means. His ratio isn't as great as some of the others because he normally has 23-27 TD's but he rarely throws picks.

 

He was somewhat inaccurate early in his career so the Locker comparisons are pretty good. I think McNabb took six seasons to have a completion percentage over 60.

 

I didn't say a lot of picks, but the ratio is rarely that good. I think the ratio would improve if the offense was a bit more explosive and he had better receivers.

[dew1679666265]

BTW Gartard leads the list for least intercepted. So in QB's with at least 2000 attempts McNabb leads the way.

 

Interesting. I wouldn't have thought that.

[CubbieBum]

Yeah, now that I think about it more, I see more McNabb than Romo. Big, strong and mobile with a good arm and a tendency to throw a few picks, but not to a detrimental point (assuming his junior year is more accurate than his freshman year).

 

A tendency to throw a few picks, even if you characterize it as not to a detrimental point, doesn't really compare well with McNabb. Isn't he one of the least picked off QBs ever?

 

I wouldn't think so. McNabb throws about 6-13 picks a year and usually has about a 2:1 or a little better TD:INT ratio.

 

6-13 picks isn't a lot by any means. His ratio isn't as great as some of the others because he normally has 23-27 TD's but he rarely throws picks.

 

He was somewhat inaccurate early in his career so the Locker comparisons are pretty good. I think McNabb took six seasons to have a completion percentage over 60.

 

I didn't say a lot of picks, but the ratio is rarely that good. I think the ratio would improve if the offense was a bit more explosive and he had better receivers.

 

Yeah he has actually only had 4 seasons with at least 20 TD's which was very surprising to me.

 

As far as ratio goes coming into this season McNabb had 104 more TD's than INT's. For comparison Brady was 111 coming into the season.

[shnsajax]

Bradford doesn't have Stafford's arm, but everyone knew that last year and they still liked him, because he's smart and he's incredibly accurate. Not to knock McCoy, but just as a comparison, Bradford actually throws the ball downfield, though last year he did rely on bubble screens a lot.

 

I actually would liken Bradford to Sanchez. Both are cerebral QBs who don't have great arms but came up in elite BCS programs.

 

I think Clausen is a super pro-prospect, I think Mallett could be Joe Flacco and I think Jake Locker might be.... a more athletic Roethlisberger? I'm struggling with a comparison.

 

Mallett likely wouldn't have the quick success Flacco did, but those seem like good comparisons. How about Romo as a comp for Locker? Or a better version of Romo? Or maybe McNabb?

 

Sanchez has a better skill set than Bradford though. Better arm than Bradford.

 

I don't like the Rothlisberger comp but Locker is more Rothlisberger than Romo. McNabb is interesting though...

 

I really liked Pike (as a first rounder, not a high first rounder) before the injury.

 

Yeah, now that I think about it more, I see more McNabb than Romo. Big, strong and mobile with a good arm and a tendency to throw a few picks, but not to a detrimental point (assuming his junior year is more accurate than his freshman year).

 

As for the Sanchez/Bradford debate, I apparently haven't seen enough of Bradford because I didn't think his arm was as weak as y'all seem to think.

 

It doesn't matter who the better prospect is if you are drafted by the Raiders.