Hendry's offseason moves so far

[17 Seconds]

Yeah it's early and this is small sample sie stuff, but it's worth noting how disastrous Hendry's offseason moves have been so far.

 

Bradley- Has already been hurt for over half the season, has gotten suspended (questionable, but still brought it on himself), and has gone .043/.267 /.174

 

Gregg- garbage

 

Dempster- So far has been back to his sucking ways. I thougt when the deal was made that it was a huge waste of money and Dempster has done nothing to change my mind. He looks awful

 

Miles- .100/.182/.100

 

Heilman- Has been alright, but he's walking a ton of guys like last season and hasn't missed a lot of bats. I think he'll be okay

 

Trading DeRosa (without even getting a major league reliever) and signing Bradley at the same time looked ridiculous at the time and it's already costing the tame. And why, so he could save money to afford Aaron Miles and Kevin Gregg? It's 2 weeks into the season and what everybody knew would happen is already happening and already hurting us.

 

BTW..... Wuertz- 7.2 IP, 2 ER, 7 H, 0 BB, 9 K

 

So yeah, I know it's really early and nothing is proven, but it's still worth noting how much fail has happened with Hendry's moves so far.

[UMFan83]

New hitters (Bradley, Miles, Gathright):

 

3-47, 8 BB, 1 HR

 

.064/.200/.128/.328

 

I'm too lazy to do the pitchers.

[E.J.]

I'm guessing Bradley picks it up if he ever gets on the field. Miles and Gathright are worthless and don't belong on a big-league roster.

[Gingerballs Lives]

I'm with you; I thought most of these moves were absolute garbage and I doubt much will happen to change my mind.

 

I know people are tired of hearing about DeRosa but how many times have you thought to yourself, "gee, it would be great to have DeRosa right about now"?

[Irrelevant Dude]

I still can't believe Hendry gave Gathright $800,000. Talk about throwing money out the window...

[Little Slide Rooter]

Adam Dunn-.300/.468/.600/1.068

[JeffH]

Hendry's a waste. Has been from day one.

[twothousandfive]

There's a lot to be disappointed about, and many were questioning the moves at the time, but Heilman at 1 run in 11 innings and a 1.18 WHIP is far better than 'alright.' Cedeno was the cost of that move, and Miles took his role. Heilman for Pie and Cedeno is fantastic. And if you're not going to pay a returning bullpen stopper $20 million for two years, Gregg is what you get in return. Three good outings and five bad ones, but it is surely a small sample size.

 

Have you noticed how deRosa, Pie, Cedeno and Ceda are doing?

 

Fontenot so far is hitting better than deRosa. Dempster is about the same as Marquis (though park effects can mess that one up).

 

Bradley is the problem with the off-season moves. If he gets in the line-up and hits, everything else goes away. If he doesn't, then the offseason was a bust. Hendry made a bunch of other moves to permit that one, but that's the key move. And it was supposed to pay-off against righties and in the post-season.

 

The Cubs are just over .500 and three games behind St. L. It's okay, so far.

[17 Seconds]

There's a lot to be disappointed about, and many were questioning the moves at the time, but Heilman at 1 run in 11 innings and a 1.18 WHIP is far better than 'alright.' Cedeno was the cost of that move, and Miles took his role. Heilman for Pie and Cedeno is fantastic. And if you're not going to pay a returning bullpen stopper $20 million for two years, Gregg is what you get in return. Three good outings and five bad ones, but it is surely a small sample size.

 

Have you noticed how deRosa, Pie, Cedeno and Ceda are doing?

 

Fontenot so far is hitting better than deRosa. Dempster is about the same as Marquis (though park effects can mess that one up).

 

Bradley is the problem with the off-season moves. If he gets in the line-up and hits, everything else goes away. If he doesn't, then the offseason was a bust. Hendry made a bunch of other moves to permit that one, but that's the key move. And it was supposed to pay-off against righties and in the post-season.

 

The Cubs are just over .500 and three games behind St. L. It's okay, so far.

 

Heilman is still walking a lot of guys and not missing many bats. That's why I said he's been "alright". If he keeps walking as many as he K's, he's not going to end up being very good.

 

As far as DeRo goes, we know he's going to hit. Don't try to act like part of the reason he was traded was because he was a question mark. He's a proven hitter. Fontenot is not a proven hitter.

 

We knew Pie and Cedeno sucked and I didn't even mention them in my post, so I don't know why you're bringing them up.

 

Also, what's with the Dempster/Marquis comparison? Did Marquis just get some huge deal like Dempster did?

 

And no, Bradley is not the only problem with the offseason moves. Giving Miles 2/5 was a problem. Trading for Gregg and his salary is a problem, when you consider we dumped DeRo to save money. Not having any depth is a problem. Trading away Gaudin for a crappy A ball reliever because he had a good spring is a problem.

 

Oh and by the way, if Bradley was really brought in to be the guy who hits RHP, then that's another big problem.

 

Bradley career vs LHP- .302/.386/.502 (.887)

Bradley career vs RHP- .269/.362/.435 (.798)

 

Oh look at that. After all that talk about wanting to get more left handed, they take a huge risk on a guy who doesn't even hit righties well.

[UMFan83]

If it makes you guys feel better, Kerry Wood has been awful for the Indians.

 

0-1 7.71 ERA 1.71 WHIP

[twothousandfive]

We knew Pie and Cedeno sucked and I didn't even mention them in my post, so I don't know why you're bringing them up

I brought them up mainly because the thread is titled: "Hendry's offseason moves so far". I believe they meet the definition. Same goes for Marquis.

 

And deciding to not re-sign Kerry Wood was also an offseason move, as was trading Michael Wuertz. If you believe Miles and Gregg are using money that could have been spent elsewhere, it seems relevant that they aren't spending (possibly even more) money on Kerry Wood.

 

On WHiP and ERA, Stevens, Gaub and Archer all appear to be doing well. They are now in the Cubs organization because of Hendry's offseason moves.

[rocket]

If it makes you guys feel better, Kerry Wood has been awful for the Indians.

 

0-1 7.71 ERA 1.71 WHIP

 

those numbers are skewed by his awful appearance against the red sox.

[UMFan83]

If it makes you guys feel better, Kerry Wood has been awful for the Indians.

 

0-1 7.71 ERA 1.71 WHIP

 

those numbers are skewed by his awful appearance against the red sox.

 

I know. Today the perfect day to post those stats. He's made 8 appearances, 5 scoreless, gave up 1 run in 1 appearance, 2 runs in 1 appearance, and 3 runs in yesterday's appearance.

[17 Seconds]

 

On WHiP and ERA, Stevens, Gaub and Archer all appear to be doing well. They are now in the Cubs organization because of Hendry's offseason moves.

 

Our big league club is a mess, we have guys playing out of position... but hey... at least some mediocre pitchers we got are kind of doing good in the minors!

[Little Slide Rooter]

The only reason trading DeRosa sounded excusable at the time was becuase it was supposedly necessary to get Peavy. After that, it becamse foolish. This is a guy who gave us 2 solid seasons, and was in his contract year, so you think hed give you just as much as he has the last 2, if not better. Trading high is one thing, but I dont consider 3 minor league relievers trading high on an guy who can give you offensive production and play multiple positions on the field.

 

Also, Luis Vizcaino and Chad Gaudin should both be on the team and David Patton and either Jeff Samardzia or Neal Cotts should not. I know a lot of people, myself included were psyced about Patton during ST, but its normal for fans to make irrational decisions about a player based on hot or cold streaks, but a GM is supposed to know the difference between a guy whose never been past AA and a proven major league pitcher whose having a rough go lately.

[SCCubbieFAN]

 

Have you noticed how deRosa, Pie, Cedeno and Ceda are doing?

 

As far as DeRo goes, we know he's going to hit. Don't try to act like part of the reason he was traded was because he was a question mark. He's a proven hitter. Fontenot is not a proven hitter.

 

There were several on this board that said the Cubs were making a mistake by signing DeRo after he had a great season in a contract year, that he was on the wrong side of 30, etc, etc.. There are also many on this board that have the opinion the Cubs are bad at not selling high. DeRo ended up being a great sign, and with him approaching 34 and in the last year of his current deal, there were many again saying it was a good time to try and sell high on him since it was likely he would start to regress. I did not like to see him go b/c I thought he had at least one more good season in him, b/c of his value to the team being able to play multiple positions, and b/c he is just a great clubhouse guy. It was also obvious he enjoyed being a Cub.

 

Yes he is a proven hitter but his stats so far this year do suggest his better seasons might be behind him: 235/.309/.412. I know he also has 4 hr and 17 rbi. Did the Cubs get enough for him? No. This was Hendry's chance to sell high and get good value for a player with 3 solid seasons behind him, but DeRo is in the final year of his deal so who knows what else the Cubs "could" have received for him. And if they had kept him and he left via FA, they would not have gotten 3 for 1 for him.

 

I don't compare DeRo with Fontenot in this discussion b/c both were on the team last year, so the comparison is DeRo to Bradley since Bradley is technically the one who replaced DeRo, and Bradley is sucking so far. But he too can be called a "proven hitter" so we will just have to wait and see if he will eventually turn it around.

[Mephistopheles]

fwiw

 

derosa is hitting .235/.309/.412

fonte is hitting .238/.351/.429

[Little Slide Rooter]

fwiw

 

derosa is hitting .235/.309/.412

fonte is hitting .238/.351/.429

 

The difference being that DeRosa can play multiple positions competantly(2B, 3B, RF) to Fonts 1.

[jersey cubs fan]

fwiw

 

derosa is hitting .235/.309/.412

fonte is hitting .238/.351/.429

 

And Miles with an OPS right around each of the above SLG.

[Sever82]

has anybody posted the fact that Dempster is garbage. I've been saying it all offseason, you dont pay Dempster Ace type money after one career yr. Sorry but Dempster is not worth the money he was paid.

[Hairyducked Idiot]

has anybody posted the fact that Dempster is garbage. I've been saying it all offseason, you dont pay Dempster Ace type money after one career yr. Sorry but Dempster is not worth the money he was paid.

 

We were sort of counting on our overall talent level to paper over the stupid things like that. It isn't working :(

[17 Seconds]

fwiw

 

derosa is hitting .235/.309/.412

fonte is hitting .238/.351/.429

 

like i said, derosa has shown for 3 straight years that he'll hit. ontenot has only shown that he is capable of hot streaks.

 

plus there's that whole multiple position thing, which is kind of important right about now

[17 Seconds]

has anybody posted the fact that Dempster is garbage. I've been saying it all offseason, you dont pay Dempster Ace type money after one career yr. Sorry but Dempster is not worth the money he was paid.

 

Yup, and I said it was a ridiculous cotnract the second it was signed. I wanted to let him walk. What a terrible contract.

[Irrelevant Dude]

has anybody posted the fact that Dempster is garbage. I've been saying it all offseason, you dont pay Dempster Ace type money after one career yr. Sorry but Dempster is not worth the money he was paid.

Dempster is far from garbage, but I do think the Cubs were too aggressive in their contract negotiations. I doubt there was a huge market for Dempster, and the Cubs could have signed him significantly cheaper if they had been willing to wait him out.

[Mephistopheles]

the mets probably thought the same thing of oliver perez.